Reaction to first Pfizer vaccine

[Mas23808]

just have a question, I took the Pfizer 15th September, I ended up in emergency ward with chest pain and so on, I had abnormality on the ecg which needed monitoring. I was released with follow up with cardiologist, however exactly on the 2 week of the vaccine I developed some sort of skin rash, started a few red spots on my thigh which went on to be a full blown spots everywhere, thighs lower legs, never seen anything like it, it looks like Petechiae, doesn’t change colour under the glass, I went to the emergency agin they said it’s from shaving after I specifically told the Moron I didn’t  shave. I went to two gp, non knew what it was only that my blood work is good. I called adverse reaction line they said yes it probably is from vaccine. Has anyone had anything like this happen to them? If so how long did it take to go? I have taken antihistamine but nothing is helping it. I really don’t want the second dose since I have had such a hard time with the first. I’m also right now scared of what other side effects the vaccine can bring on, last night I had pin and needles in my hand and forearm , I don’t know if that’s just from my sleeping position.

[Joybell]

Yes, it’s the body building up your immune system. I had 2 months unwell and  was in hospital after my  first Astra Zeneca. It’s just more effects for some people but they go away.

[Mas23808]

Did you end up getting there second dose

[orphanedhawk]

I suggest you contact VAERS the place to report reactions to vaccines. Sorry this has happened to you.

[Mas23808]

I’m in Australia , I called the adverse reaction line, they made me a report, however because they are bombarded with phone calls and reactions, there is a line of order they need to go by, as my heart episode resolved and my heart report was good, that was the main one they were concern about, the rush I need to see a specialist and then call them back for the update, but even so it isn’t going to get me anywhere, I’m still not able to get a exemptions, here in Australia if your not double vaccinated your treated like a absolute criminal, I have had that one dose and I’m still not able to leave my house, only for the essential reasons. I just lost my job aswell, so they have categorised the anti vaxers and people who just can’t have it from the side effects in the same category. I would of been happy to take the second dose, if I didn’t go through what I went through this last month of side effects with the first dose

[Paxiled]

Do know that while contacting VAERS is advised, the reports there aren't confirmed by anyone and so don't really offer much help to anyone.  It's better to report to a body that will actually parse the information so it is part of a reliable data base, which VAERS isn't.

[orphanedhawk]

Mas23808   I didn't know you were in Australia. What a sorry situation you're experiencing. Anyone can have an allergic reaction to almost anything. I wish I could offer a solution but all I can do is wish you the very best of luck and hope the future will hold more truthfulness and less fear.

[orphanedhawk]

Paxiled   So, the big question is where is there a reliable data base ? Surely someone somewhere must be keeping records of the side effects that are experienced from the vaccine.

[CurfewX]

Yes, there are several other monitoring systems in place.  First, manufacturers are required to keep records on any adverse event reported to them, and they follow up.  They don't take anonymous reports.  Then, there's the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which is similar in that they are able to follow up with patients and health care providers.  These databases are more reliable because they eliminate "nonsense" reports, and are able to collect more health information to help determine whether the event is likely to have been caused by the vaccine.

[Paxiled]

The truth with pharmaceutical products and reporting of side effects is, it's not very reliable in the short term.  It does take years for drugs to truly reveal if they actually work or not and what all the side effects are.  Vaccines are different, however, because we don't take them every day.  The people who do the best work aren't really known to us, they are researchers who take their time and look into this sort of thing.  Journalists also become involved over time, as patients who take meds, unable to get any real response from manufacturers, who frankly lie all the time or hide info and then wait to get fined and sued, report stuff on the web and on TV and eventually an investigative journalist gets involved and digs up the skinny and then the lawsuits follow.  But again, those are drugs that are taken regularly and therefore have side effects that build up over time whereas vaccines are only taken a few times in a lifetime.  Because vaccines are usually given to very large numbers of people when they are approved for public use, we get a large sample quickly.  Hospitals are required to report all drug side effects.  Other practitioners only have a voluntary reporting system, and most don't report.  Right now university researchers are tallying up the side effects, that's where it comes from, and they have the training to distinguish what's real and what's not.  These get published and newspapers pick it up.  Journals publish it.  If you look, you can find it.  It's the info that folks like Fauci and the other experts who appear regularly on TV interviews are getting their data.  NIH tends to publish a lot of it.  So again, remember, it's a vaccine, a ton of people got it really quickly all over the world, and researchers immediately followed all reports that panned out.  Frankly, because of the catastrophe this pandemic is, reading a very high quality daily newspaper will give you all the info you need as they have health reporters who keep up on these reports better than most of us can.  I know there's a lot of recent fake news lies out there, but you still can't beat reading the New York Times or Washington Post or Wall Street Journal or several other major papers every day, and everyone of them has a health news  section.

[Paxiled]

I think you need to see a doctor who knows something about the side effects of that vaccine, not just any doc.  Such a doc would also be able to advise you on a 2d dose, a different vaccine, or no vaccine.  

[Mas23808]

I have reached out to several doctors, and even the hospital, and no one will take account that it’s the vaccine. The Only people who have said yes it’s the vaccine , is the ones who take adverse reaction phone calls , however hey are not doctors so they can’t even recommend treatment.  Besides that I’m stuck in a limbo, of having to deal with this myself, im scared and worried about the future and what else it can bring.

[AnnieBrooke]

I'd call Pfizer.

[Mas23808]

I’m in Australia, I called the adverse reaction line people , but right now they are up to their ears with more serious reactions where they put in down the list.

[AnnieBrooke]

Try going to Pfizer's website and click on their "Contact Us" section, and to keep from getting tossed into a pile of people complaining about their reaction to the shot, ask them what doctor you can talk to in your country who would know about whether your reaction to the shot means it might happen again. You might get somewhere, maybe a department that is running clinical trials, and they could tell you somewhere to call. It's worth a try.

[Mas23808]

Thank you for replying back to me I actually might just do that. So I need some answers and the drs are not really helping me, they seem to just brush it all off . Thank you so much

[AnnieBrooke]

They are not helping you much because this is all very new medicine. But if you do reach someone at Pfizer who knows whether there's a clinical trial or someone studying this question that you could send an email to or find some FAQ's from, that would be who to contact. Even a most-often asked questions list from such a group could help.

Just FYI, there have been (a comparatively small number of) people, mostly teenage males, who have gotten myocarditis after getting a second Pfizer vaccine. It is generally mild and short lived, is totally survivable and often just heals by itself. Also, if you were diagnosed with it when you went to the hospital with chest pains, keep in mind that people more often get myocarditis from bacteria or a virus than from a vaccine. (This is why when you have strep, the doctor monitors your heart.) In the statistically few cases where they have seen a correlation of myocarditis and the Pfizer vaccine, it's been related to the second Pfizer shot, not the first.

Regarding the petechiae, one question you could ask your own doctor (this won't take a specialist from Pfizer) is if such spots could be related to whatever you were diagnosed with when you were diagnosed with chest pains. (I'm not going to assume it was myocarditis, because you didn't say.) Keep in mind that even if you have event one (the shot) and event two (chest pains) and event three (the rash), that doesn't mean one caused the other. They could all be related, or two of them could be related, or none of them might be related and the timing was just a coincidence. Or the chest pains were due to anxiety and the petechiae are from something else. All you know right now is that the three things were relatively close together in time. But always remember that isn't enough to prove cause and effect no matter how dramatic it seems.

So, focus on finding out why you got petechiae, and work backwards to see if there could be a connection to chest pains earlier, and then work backwards to see if any of it might have anything to do with the shot.

Good luck.

[Paxiled]

Just to say, don't expect Pfizer to respond.  I have tried this and manufacturers generally don't respond directly to consumers.  Doesn't mean you shouldn't try.  But any doctor can contact Pfizer and they might get better results.  You might even go out of the box and contact the German company that actually invented the vaccine, BioNTech.  It's a small company that might be more helpful, who knows?  But I was really thinking more about an immunoligist or vaccinologist or virologist.  These are the true specialists who are the experts and helped develop the vaccines and know the science.  Regular docs aren't scientists and aren't specialists and only know what they read and most of them are much too busy right now to be doing a ton of general reading.  In the US there are a host of these specialists who have been giving interviews and helping us all understand this stuff.  If nothing else works, there's a neurosurgeon who is also a reporter for CNN named Sanjay Gupta in the US who just wrote a book and seems to have an unlimited amount of energy.  This is a guy who operates on someone's brain in the morning and then researches and does a news report in the evening.  Have no idea where he gets this energy but if you contact him he might be able to direct you to someone he's interviewed who can answer your questions.  In the US, the place to contact is the CDC, and I'm sure Australia has their version of this.  These agencies are the ones the hospitals are reporting side effects to.  If you keep digging, you'll eventually strike something hard.  Peace.