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John Roberts Votes To Uphold ‘Obamacare’ Mandate
John Roberts Votes To Uphold ‘Obamacare’ Mandate
Chief Justice John Roberts voted to uphold the ‘Obamacare’ individual mandate.
Via SCOTUSblog: “So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.”
Reported by Sahil Kapur
Thanks my friend. I think that any Canadian that ignores what is happening in the US is a fool quite frankly. As I've said before, what happens there has a dramatic impact on us...maybe not always immediately, but eventually. Our countries are far more closely tied then many realize and what you all decide there eventually will have some sort of an impact here. Besides...your countries issues are so much more interesting then anything that goes on here..lol.
I am always impressed with your knowledge of what goes on here. You seem to understand more about us, than most of us do. lol I still think we should go Medicare for all tho!
I agree, despite our opposite views on many things.
Besides agreeing that the government is a mess, I totally agree that humor is important :))
Besides agreeing that the government is a mess, I totally agree that humor is important :))
Well put and very true. It's become a very pleasant place here where no one has to be afraid to say what they think. Big change from how it used to be.
So, I've been watching all of this unfold in the media, and read through the comments here. As usual, I have a couple of questions..lol.
My understanding is that those that can afford it have to buy health insurance correct? But it is not 1 specific plan they must have. (this btw is completely different then our system in Canada - we are just given the insurance paid for through taxes, there are not options or different plans we can buy. It's the same one for everyone). If people are below a certain income level, then they go on Medicaid, right? So doesn't this actually save taxpayer dollars? I mean, someone on here told me before that for those uninsured, they can go to the hospital anyway, and then taxpayers absorb the cost. Won't this prevent some of that and people will be paying their own? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that is how I read it.
Also, isn't a big part of this legislating the fact that Insurance Companies can no longer discriminate based on pre existing conditions? Even Mitt Romney said that although he intends to repeal this bill, he would still leave that part in place. I mean, that has been a huge barrier for so many and of course they still get treated, so again, wouldn't that actually save tax payer dollars?
And does this not also now allow people to receive preventative care as opposed to only going to see a Dr. when there is a problem that may or may not be very serious by that point? So again, that saves money no? (and possibly lives).
I don't know about the UK, but I can tell you for certain we do not have death panels here in Canada. Dr.'s work with the patient and make treatment plans together. Yes, sadly sometimes there is no more that can be done, but there is no "your 75, so we won't bother (my father in law was aggressively treated for prostate cancer at 70 and is doing great now). Treatment decisions are made as they should be - on an individual basis and our gov't plays no part in it at all. Vance, I'm curious as to why you feel our health care system here isn't working. I acknowledge it is less then perfect, but for the majority here we do well with it.
So no real opinion on this whole matter obviously, but those are my questions and issues I haven't really seen addressed by the interviews, etc. I've watched in the media.
So, I've been watching all of this unfold in the media, and read through the comments here. As usual, I have a couple of questions..lol.
My understanding is that those that can afford it have to buy health insurance correct? But it is not 1 specific plan they must have. (this btw is completely different then our system in Canada - we are just given the insurance paid for through taxes, there are not options or different plans we can buy. It's the same one for everyone). If people are below a certain income level, then they go on Medicaid, right? So doesn't this actually save taxpayer dollars? I mean, someone on here told me before that for those uninsured, they can go to the hospital anyway, and then taxpayers absorb the cost. Won't this prevent some of that and people will be paying their own? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that is how I read it.
Also, isn't a big part of this legislating the fact that Insurance Companies can no longer discriminate based on pre existing conditions? Even Mitt Romney said that although he intends to repeal this bill, he would still leave that part in place. I mean, that has been a huge barrier for so many and of course they still get treated, so again, wouldn't that actually save tax payer dollars?
And does this not also now allow people to receive preventative care as opposed to only going to see a Dr. when there is a problem that may or may not be very serious by that point? So again, that saves money no? (and possibly lives).
I don't know about the UK, but I can tell you for certain we do not have death panels here in Canada. Dr.'s work with the patient and make treatment plans together. Yes, sadly sometimes there is no more that can be done, but there is no "your 75, so we won't bother (my father in law was aggressively treated for prostate cancer at 70 and is doing great now). Treatment decisions are made as they should be - on an individual basis and our gov't plays no part in it at all. Vance, I'm curious as to why you feel our health care system here isn't working. I acknowledge it is less then perfect, but for the majority here we do well with it.
So no real opinion on this whole matter obviously, but those are my questions and issues I haven't really seen addressed by the interviews, etc. I've watched in the media.
And I have to say, that even though we bicker & argue about most political topics on here, we've all come to respect each others views.
Teko and I see eye-to-eye on just about zero, but from time to time, we agree on something.
Mike and I are the same way. Polar opposites, but I respect him and his views, and he respects me and my uneducated views.
MrsP and I... well, we just goof around and make jokes all the time (while jabbing each other about our political stances).
We ALL have respect for each other, and I honestly thing that if our gov't would & could take a page out of the CE-Forum's book, this country would be a better place.
We argue to the point of an all out smack-down, but quite often we find common ground and come up with a solution, rather than a "you say black, I say white" decision (as our gov't officials do).
Who's with me?!?
Teko and I see eye-to-eye on just about zero, but from time to time, we agree on something.
Mike and I are the same way. Polar opposites, but I respect him and his views, and he respects me and my uneducated views.
MrsP and I... well, we just goof around and make jokes all the time (while jabbing each other about our political stances).
We ALL have respect for each other, and I honestly thing that if our gov't would & could take a page out of the CE-Forum's book, this country would be a better place.
We argue to the point of an all out smack-down, but quite often we find common ground and come up with a solution, rather than a "you say black, I say white" decision (as our gov't officials do).
Who's with me?!?
If you'd quit disappearing, you'd not feel like you were outnumbered!
Trust me, I've taken polls on here (in the CE Forum) and it's just about 50/50 (Right/Left).
It's just that some choose not to comment on some issues.
The same players are still here and we're all as active as ever. Honestly, with the addition of Vance yesterday, I think the Right has even pulled ahead by 1 person, on the board.
Stick around Margy... stay a while.
Trust me, I've taken polls on here (in the CE Forum) and it's just about 50/50 (Right/Left).
It's just that some choose not to comment on some issues.
The same players are still here and we're all as active as ever. Honestly, with the addition of Vance yesterday, I think the Right has even pulled ahead by 1 person, on the board.
Stick around Margy... stay a while.
Thanks for the offer teko but think I will let it pass been there done that ......I am outnumbered on here ...lol
"Secondly, you said you chose the "high end" insurance policy because you didn't want to be stuck with hummungous medical bills -- if your policy falls into the category that is considered a "Cadillac policy", you will not only pay the higher price for the policy, but will pay tax on it, as well..
I give you teko's quote:
"By 2016 if you can afford to buy insurance and have not, a penalty of 2% of your income. And it is not punishable by jail. I think the first time you get penalized 1%, second 2% or something like that.".......Being that I already have benefits, I don't have to worry about the "tax" No?!
I give you teko's quote:
"By 2016 if you can afford to buy insurance and have not, a penalty of 2% of your income. And it is not punishable by jail. I think the first time you get penalized 1%, second 2% or something like that.".......Being that I already have benefits, I don't have to worry about the "tax" No?!
"That has nothing to do with anything. If the health care system in Mass was not a failure then Romney would be behind Obama's but he is not because it's a failure."
How is it a failure. This was Romney's plan and I thought it was actually a good thing for Mass...Now people qwho need coverage are covered.
"So being Obama was lower/middle class does that excuse his past drug use? His association with radicals?"
Drug use???.. Really?? He smoked pot in college. Who hasn't???? (well maybe not everyone but a mojority of people in Americas have either tried pot or do smoke it.)........Association with radicals???? Please, you're bringing it back to the garbage that the right spewed about him and nothing came out of it....Next!
How is it a failure. This was Romney's plan and I thought it was actually a good thing for Mass...Now people qwho need coverage are covered.
"So being Obama was lower/middle class does that excuse his past drug use? His association with radicals?"
Drug use???.. Really?? He smoked pot in college. Who hasn't???? (well maybe not everyone but a mojority of people in Americas have either tried pot or do smoke it.)........Association with radicals???? Please, you're bringing it back to the garbage that the right spewed about him and nothing came out of it....Next!
The ACA is like the system in Canada and UK for several reasons. Don't have time to go into detail but look at the rates that will be paid to hospitals and Dr's.
Very well said.
Mike
Mike
Well, lets see now, where to start. First of all the care that they have in the UK or even in Canada is absolutely nothing like the ACA. The ACA is not universal or even single payor healthcare. It shows the amount of disinformation that is out there to even suggest it is. The well has been poisoned by those who have an agenda to do so. Nor is it government run as you will hear the polititians tell ya. Unless you consider your current insurance government run?
Secondly, pallative care is end of life care if Im not mistaken? One of the problems we have with the status quo is that when someone has gotten all the care that can be given in a terminal situation, it is customary to milk the system so to speak in order to get whatever monies that they can get from the persons insurance. Its not an issue with someone who doesnt have insurance because there is simply nothing to milk.
Case in point. Someone who has cancer, has had all the chemo and radiation they can do and the cancer is still going to kill that person. Pallative care is making that person as comfortable as they can in their end days and many times results in someone being "doped" out of their minds till they die. At this point decisions must be made and to keep throwing more chemo and radiation when its not doing anything is silly. And wasteful spending.
But saying the ACA has death panels is ridiculous. The death panels that exist in our current system is when someone who is very sick and has no inusrance are basically sent home to die when there are lifesaving and life extending measures one has no access to, due to lack of insurance. They stableize you and send you packin. If that is not a death wish I dont know what is.
Besides that I would challenge you to show me in the ACA, where these death panels are. Are you talking about those yearly consultations that are available to those who want counseling free of charge? I doubt you can do that as you probably do nothing more than listen to those who have an interest in you believing that. How about using that energy to get yourself educated about what the bill is and how it works instead of allowing yourself to be poisoned in your thinking.
Just a thought.
Secondly, pallative care is end of life care if Im not mistaken? One of the problems we have with the status quo is that when someone has gotten all the care that can be given in a terminal situation, it is customary to milk the system so to speak in order to get whatever monies that they can get from the persons insurance. Its not an issue with someone who doesnt have insurance because there is simply nothing to milk.
Case in point. Someone who has cancer, has had all the chemo and radiation they can do and the cancer is still going to kill that person. Pallative care is making that person as comfortable as they can in their end days and many times results in someone being "doped" out of their minds till they die. At this point decisions must be made and to keep throwing more chemo and radiation when its not doing anything is silly. And wasteful spending.
But saying the ACA has death panels is ridiculous. The death panels that exist in our current system is when someone who is very sick and has no inusrance are basically sent home to die when there are lifesaving and life extending measures one has no access to, due to lack of insurance. They stableize you and send you packin. If that is not a death wish I dont know what is.
Besides that I would challenge you to show me in the ACA, where these death panels are. Are you talking about those yearly consultations that are available to those who want counseling free of charge? I doubt you can do that as you probably do nothing more than listen to those who have an interest in you believing that. How about using that energy to get yourself educated about what the bill is and how it works instead of allowing yourself to be poisoned in your thinking.
Just a thought.
Palliative care in UK is equivalent to Hospice care in the U.S. and there is a definite place for it.
I won't go into detail, but some you (teko) know what I've struggled with for the past few years, with an elderly, very ill relative. When a person is so elderly and has so many illnesses that they can't possibly recover, palliative/hospice/comfort care is the only way to go.
My relative was taken off aggressive treatments (not the government's decision) and while her time may be shorter (maybe not, because the meds were killing her, anyway), her quality of life has actually improved. She has dementia so her mental ability is limited more every day, but her mind is as clear as it has been in a couple of years. She gets up in the morning and is actually enjoying some activities again. She declines daily, but she's getting excellent care and is comfortable for the first time in a few years. How could anyone deny an elderly person that right?
This has nothing to do with death panels --- it has everything to do with allowing loved ones to enjoy final days as much as possible and to die with dignity, which is what they deserve
I won't go into detail, but some you (teko) know what I've struggled with for the past few years, with an elderly, very ill relative. When a person is so elderly and has so many illnesses that they can't possibly recover, palliative/hospice/comfort care is the only way to go.
My relative was taken off aggressive treatments (not the government's decision) and while her time may be shorter (maybe not, because the meds were killing her, anyway), her quality of life has actually improved. She has dementia so her mental ability is limited more every day, but her mind is as clear as it has been in a couple of years. She gets up in the morning and is actually enjoying some activities again. She declines daily, but she's getting excellent care and is comfortable for the first time in a few years. How could anyone deny an elderly person that right?
This has nothing to do with death panels --- it has everything to do with allowing loved ones to enjoy final days as much as possible and to die with dignity, which is what they deserve
http://whitehouse.gov/healthreform
A very good place to answer your questions.
A very good place to answer your questions.
More like politics as usual. The insurance industry and health care industry have been known to lobby for legislation that are basically give backs as well. What's more important to me is how the law is enacted and if the administration changes is if it would be denied or if aspects of it would be changed or even if not if they are gradual changes in how health care coverage is provided or immediate ones. It should take some time to see how this works out.
Yes point taken about health care in the U.K. as the family has some friends that live there and they have said the same thing as to their direct experiences. As per laws where decisions about what is referred to as "futile care" can over ride the wishes of an individual and even their family based on their ability to cover life sustaining treatment there already is the " The Texas Advance Directives Act" (that can be put in a google search for more information) so that is already in effect in at least one state (besides the two that allow physician assisted suicide which are Oregon and Washington). I tend to support the Pain Management Relief Act (which never passed) and at all times this should be an individual's (or if not a family's) decision. Also health care proxies and advanced directives should be legally binding as to what a person's wishes are as regards end of life care.
I have multiple complaints about Obama too, however, his mother did die of cancer and Obama witnessed her struggle with insurance companies and health care during her time in the hospital.
Unfortunately I think the healthiest fish thrown into the corrupt cesspool of DC politics is bound to become tainted.
Well, yes I maybe crazy, hard to tell who is sane when you live in an insane world.
You don't need to find something to contradict me on the web, I could do that myself if I chose to.
Here something I gleaned from the net about psychopaths.
There are three major patterns of qualities that characterize a psychopath: 1) interpersonal conduct such as dishonesty, narcissism, and arrogance, along with a marked lack of consideration for the rights and well-being of others 2) affective deficits such as lack of empathy or guilt, and 3) impulsiveness or risk-taking.
Based on established criteria, psychologists estimate that approximately 1% of the population or 3 million people could be classified as having a psychopathic personality. However, these are people who meet the cutoffs for diagnostic criteria, which make it seem like people either have it or they don’t. Psychopathy doesn’t work that way. It occurs on a continuum with some people having none at all and others having the range from a few tendencies to a full blown diagnosable personality disorder. James Silver, co-author of “Almost a Psychopath: Do I (or Does Someone I Know) Have a Problem with Manipulation and Lack of Empathy
Unfortunately I think the healthiest fish thrown into the corrupt cesspool of DC politics is bound to become tainted.
Well, yes I maybe crazy, hard to tell who is sane when you live in an insane world.
You don't need to find something to contradict me on the web, I could do that myself if I chose to.
Here something I gleaned from the net about psychopaths.
There are three major patterns of qualities that characterize a psychopath: 1) interpersonal conduct such as dishonesty, narcissism, and arrogance, along with a marked lack of consideration for the rights and well-being of others 2) affective deficits such as lack of empathy or guilt, and 3) impulsiveness or risk-taking.
Based on established criteria, psychologists estimate that approximately 1% of the population or 3 million people could be classified as having a psychopathic personality. However, these are people who meet the cutoffs for diagnostic criteria, which make it seem like people either have it or they don’t. Psychopathy doesn’t work that way. It occurs on a continuum with some people having none at all and others having the range from a few tendencies to a full blown diagnosable personality disorder. James Silver, co-author of “Almost a Psychopath: Do I (or Does Someone I Know) Have a Problem with Manipulation and Lack of Empathy
Sorry had to butt in , you are right Barb about England ..my family live there and they wait weeks and months for testing we see members here from UK asking us about their illness because they wait so long to get help in the UK..When I was there we had the 'taxes' removed from our wages ...mandatorialy( sorry if I spelt that wrong) every week or month they called it social security there ... they do have death panels' only its called Palliative care ..look it up ..a panel does decide if you should receive treatment..if you are too sick its no if you are too old its no ...In the last 3 years I have lost 3 family members due to 'Palliative care ' There is a big scandal going on as Family members sometimes are not given enough time to get to their loved ones bed side .If you don't believe me look it up ....
2 things --- first off, England does not have a good medical system. On the Thyroid fourm, we run across people from UK, almost daily, who can't get proper testing/treatment, because of NHS guidelines. The only way they can get adequate medical care is to go private and those who can't afford it, are left ill. Having a thyroid condition, myself, that requires treatment that doesn't necessarily follow "protocol", I have a huge fear of this law, because I'm terrified that we'll end up with "guidelines" similar to UK. How can it be otherwise?
Secondly, you said you chose the "high end" insurance policy because you didn't want to be stuck with hummungous medical bills -- if your policy falls into the category that is considered a "Cadillac policy", you will not only pay the higher price for the policy, but will pay tax on it, as well.
No new taxes?? Hmmmm
Secondly, you said you chose the "high end" insurance policy because you didn't want to be stuck with hummungous medical bills -- if your policy falls into the category that is considered a "Cadillac policy", you will not only pay the higher price for the policy, but will pay tax on it, as well.
No new taxes?? Hmmmm
I knew you'd like that.
Had to lighten the mood around here, as the Right sees it one way, and the Left sees it another, and it's going to be difficult to talk each other into seeing it each others way!
Had to lighten the mood around here, as the Right sees it one way, and the Left sees it another, and it's going to be difficult to talk each other into seeing it each others way!
Hahahaha.......
Once Romney wins in November, and takes office in January, Obamacare will no longer be an issue (by day 6).
Day 1: swear oath of office
Day 2: swim in presidential pool
Day 3: cheat on wife with presidential secretary #1
Day 4: cheat on wife with presidential secretary #3
Day 5: enroll presidential secretary #2 in weight-watchers are she's unfit
Day 6: repeal Obamacare
Day 7: profit
Day 1: swear oath of office
Day 2: swim in presidential pool
Day 3: cheat on wife with presidential secretary #1
Day 4: cheat on wife with presidential secretary #3
Day 5: enroll presidential secretary #2 in weight-watchers are she's unfit
Day 6: repeal Obamacare
Day 7: profit
That has nothing to do with anything. If the health care system in Mass was not a failure then Romney would be behind Obama's but he is not because it's a failure.
So being Obama was lower/middle class does that excuse his past drug use? His association with radicals?
So being Obama was lower/middle class does that excuse his past drug use? His association with radicals?
Obama also knows first hand what it is like to be from the lower/middle class......Not saying there's anything wrong with Romney being from the "upper class" but that is a reason why Romney is out of touch. He has no idea what it is like to be middle/lower class.....
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