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Lawmaker Wants Men to Get Note From Wife Before Getting Viagra
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-lawmaker-wants-men-swear-fidelity-bible-get-note-wife-n519046
"The Kentucky lawmaker who filed a bill that would require men to jump through hoops to get Viagra or similar drugs — including swearing on the Bible that they won't use it with anyone but their wives — said Monday she hopes the measure will persuade women to declare "enough is enough."
Mary Lou Marzian, a Democratic state representative from Louisville, filed House Bill 396 last week as a response to anti-abortion measures that she said put undue hardship on women, such as a bill that requires women seeking abortions to get counseling 24 hours in advance from a health care professional. Gov. Matt Bevin signed that abortion bill into law this month.
"The conservative movement sweeping Kentucky has put women in the cross hairs of its battle to take over government at all levels, and it's time we recognize this hypocrisy for what it is," Marzian — a retired nurse — wrote in an op-ed in Monday's editions of the Louisville Courier-Journal.
"The best I can hope is that House Bill 396 will galvanize women into saying 'enough is enough' to their governor, senator and state representative with phone calls, emails and protests to end this untenable legislative assault on women's bodies and minds," she wrote.
Marzian's bill, which she acknowledged when she introduced it last week has no chance of passing, would require men seeking erectile dysfunction medication to:
Make at least two office visits to a doctor.
Swear on the Bible that they are married and will use the drug only when having sex with their current wives.
Present signed proof of permission from their wives.
"We do not want government involved in personal, private medical matters," Marzian told NBC station WAVE of Louisville on Sunday.
"Do you want the Kentucky Legislature and the governor, Matt Bevin, sitting in the exam room with you and your physician?" Marzian asked. "No!"
Similar measures have been offered elsewhere to make the same point.
Most recently, state Rep. Mia McLeod filed a measure in the South Carolina House that would force men seeking ED drugs to present notarized proof from a sexual partner that they have the disorder. That bill remains in committee.
And in 2012, Oklahoma state Sen. Constance Johnson filed an amendment to an anti-abortion bill that would have defined male masturbation as a waste of semen constituting a crime against unborn children.
Johnson later withdrew the amendment, which she said in an op-ed article in The Guardian at the time was intended to "draw attention to the absurdity, duplicity and lack of balance inherent in the policies of this state in regard to women."
"The Kentucky lawmaker who filed a bill that would require men to jump through hoops to get Viagra or similar drugs — including swearing on the Bible that they won't use it with anyone but their wives — said Monday she hopes the measure will persuade women to declare "enough is enough."
Mary Lou Marzian, a Democratic state representative from Louisville, filed House Bill 396 last week as a response to anti-abortion measures that she said put undue hardship on women, such as a bill that requires women seeking abortions to get counseling 24 hours in advance from a health care professional. Gov. Matt Bevin signed that abortion bill into law this month.
"The conservative movement sweeping Kentucky has put women in the cross hairs of its battle to take over government at all levels, and it's time we recognize this hypocrisy for what it is," Marzian — a retired nurse — wrote in an op-ed in Monday's editions of the Louisville Courier-Journal.
"The best I can hope is that House Bill 396 will galvanize women into saying 'enough is enough' to their governor, senator and state representative with phone calls, emails and protests to end this untenable legislative assault on women's bodies and minds," she wrote.
Marzian's bill, which she acknowledged when she introduced it last week has no chance of passing, would require men seeking erectile dysfunction medication to:
Make at least two office visits to a doctor.
Swear on the Bible that they are married and will use the drug only when having sex with their current wives.
Present signed proof of permission from their wives.
"We do not want government involved in personal, private medical matters," Marzian told NBC station WAVE of Louisville on Sunday.
"Do you want the Kentucky Legislature and the governor, Matt Bevin, sitting in the exam room with you and your physician?" Marzian asked. "No!"
Similar measures have been offered elsewhere to make the same point.
Most recently, state Rep. Mia McLeod filed a measure in the South Carolina House that would force men seeking ED drugs to present notarized proof from a sexual partner that they have the disorder. That bill remains in committee.
And in 2012, Oklahoma state Sen. Constance Johnson filed an amendment to an anti-abortion bill that would have defined male masturbation as a waste of semen constituting a crime against unborn children.
Johnson later withdrew the amendment, which she said in an op-ed article in The Guardian at the time was intended to "draw attention to the absurdity, duplicity and lack of balance inherent in the policies of this state in regard to women."
You're right... there is no comparison between a woman preparing to have an abortion and a man preparing to take Viagra... They are 2 totally different situations and shouldn't even be used in the same context. However, like you, if the Dems insisted on such a requirement, I'd give my husband the note, should the need arise.
I am pro choice. However, I have no problem with counseling. I do NOT think women often know what they are getting themselves into with abortion just as I do not think they knew what they are getting themselves into with casual sex and pregnancy. In fact, I think not enough facts are shared. And I'm not talking scary things to convince them not to do it but the fact that it IS invasive and CAN have consequences is not something many woman/girls understand when undergoing an abortion. There is also the emotional impact.
So, though I'm pro choice, I think that counseling is part of the EDUCATION process for women and support that. I don't think counseling convinces a lot of women NOT to have the abortion. But it does make it real. And it should be.
I think if the Dems want to work on something, it would be better funding of abortions. While I don't think it should be part of provided/paid for healthcare because it is elective, I DO think women need to be able to afford the procedure. It shouldn't be priced in such a way that they are not able to have it. I'd even go for a payment plan. :>) But that is the thing that I see causing issues for young women who want abortions these days. Not that they have to 'learn' about abortion.
Again, it's an invasive medical procedure and I can't think of any others that don't require dialogue about that between staff and patient.
The comparison of abortion to ED medication is offensive to me. Honestly. (not in the I'm offended big deal kind of way but in the "geez, that's belittling what women go through" kind of way. Taking a pill to get a hard on is a 'little' different than laying on a table with your genitals exposed, having someone insert equipment into your vagina, have something removed from your vagina and recovering from it. Or is it just me that sees no comparison at all between these two things.
And if it makes the dems feel better, I'll give my husband the note. (gulp)
So, though I'm pro choice, I think that counseling is part of the EDUCATION process for women and support that. I don't think counseling convinces a lot of women NOT to have the abortion. But it does make it real. And it should be.
I think if the Dems want to work on something, it would be better funding of abortions. While I don't think it should be part of provided/paid for healthcare because it is elective, I DO think women need to be able to afford the procedure. It shouldn't be priced in such a way that they are not able to have it. I'd even go for a payment plan. :>) But that is the thing that I see causing issues for young women who want abortions these days. Not that they have to 'learn' about abortion.
Again, it's an invasive medical procedure and I can't think of any others that don't require dialogue about that between staff and patient.
The comparison of abortion to ED medication is offensive to me. Honestly. (not in the I'm offended big deal kind of way but in the "geez, that's belittling what women go through" kind of way. Taking a pill to get a hard on is a 'little' different than laying on a table with your genitals exposed, having someone insert equipment into your vagina, have something removed from your vagina and recovering from it. Or is it just me that sees no comparison at all between these two things.
And if it makes the dems feel better, I'll give my husband the note. (gulp)
Obviously the lawmaker is trying to make a point~ whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
However, as my Mom used to say~ two wrongs don't make a right.
However, as my Mom used to say~ two wrongs don't make a right.
I've got no business meddling in someone elses decision to have an abortion no should anyone else be meddling in my business.
As far as Viagra is concerned, on the one directly involved should have anything to do with it; however, abortion is a different matter... While it's up to a woman to decide about abortion, a child directly affects an entire family or community and I think I have a right to be concerned over whether or not abortion might or might not be available for those who choose not to have a child they aren't prepared to have, whatever that reason may be. Like teko, I'm not pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice. Education surrounding the us of, either, viagra or abortion is very important and, like any other medical procedure, should be between the patient and their doctor...
The Viagra and abortion thing should only concern the people DIRECTLY involved. If the Republican party were really worth their word, they'd understand that injecting more government to interfere with ones liberty and right to live life as they want is a big intrusion on their own beliefs....
Yes, physicians should indeed give us the ups and downs for every elective procedure.
And yes, you're correct there is a lot of ignorance running rampant. I recall being told some ridiculous things when I was 12 from other girls about how one could get pregnant.
Luckily my mother has already told me the facts of life !
And yes, you're correct there is a lot of ignorance running rampant. I recall being told some ridiculous things when I was 12 from other girls about how one could get pregnant.
Luckily my mother has already told me the facts of life !
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They are quite simply, trying anything they can get away with in order to make getting an abortion hard for poor people. Who pays for all this counseling and regulations anyway? I am not pro abortion but I am pro choice and Im sure that when a woman goes to get an abortion, she is educated as to the risks both mentally and physically. Like any other elected procedure, it should stay between the patient and the doctor and that should be all that is required.
OH, the people I personally know that had abortions were also educated. But that was because that was my crowd.
Take a look on some of the forums here--- girl after girl after girl asking if she is pregnant from things that they were fully dressed for, from semen from a Kleenex that their brother masturbated with, from fingering. (sorry--- but I CL for a forum in which this question is very frequent, can you get pregnant from this). So many have NO clue. And are NOT educated. And I sincerely doubt after they accidentally get pregnant that they will all of a sudden get super educated.
As the places providing the abortions are also providing the counseling and education, are we worried that Planned Parenthood has an agenda to stop abortion and give biased viewpoints? I thought the left liked PP and the right hated them.
There are downsides to abortion that are not told to women. Scar tissue, damage to their cervix etc. that could impact future child birth. THIS I do know to have happened to someone. Even with the education and counseling given, those types of things aren't really discussed.
If you take away someone's moral issue with abortion---- physicians give you the up and down side to EVERY elective procedure. This should be no different.
And you probably laughed at the title and discussion of ed meds being like abortion because it is SILLY.
Take a look on some of the forums here--- girl after girl after girl asking if she is pregnant from things that they were fully dressed for, from semen from a Kleenex that their brother masturbated with, from fingering. (sorry--- but I CL for a forum in which this question is very frequent, can you get pregnant from this). So many have NO clue. And are NOT educated. And I sincerely doubt after they accidentally get pregnant that they will all of a sudden get super educated.
As the places providing the abortions are also providing the counseling and education, are we worried that Planned Parenthood has an agenda to stop abortion and give biased viewpoints? I thought the left liked PP and the right hated them.
There are downsides to abortion that are not told to women. Scar tissue, damage to their cervix etc. that could impact future child birth. THIS I do know to have happened to someone. Even with the education and counseling given, those types of things aren't really discussed.
If you take away someone's moral issue with abortion---- physicians give you the up and down side to EVERY elective procedure. This should be no different.
And you probably laughed at the title and discussion of ed meds being like abortion because it is SILLY.
Although education is a good thing,the problem with so-called abortion education is it usually comes from a side with an agenda.
The women I knew who had abortions were educated and knew clearly what they wanted to do and why.
Actually, when I saw this subject matter, I admit to laughing, though it can be no laughing matter, it did hit me that way.
The women I knew who had abortions were educated and knew clearly what they wanted to do and why.
Actually, when I saw this subject matter, I admit to laughing, though it can be no laughing matter, it did hit me that way.
Little sad to compare taking short term ED medication to having an abortion. I'm entirely in favor of women having this option but things like counseling and such are actually a good thing in my opinion. While I support their right to choose and know it is the right choice for them when they make it of their own free will, I do not think providing information, counseling, etc. is inappropriate.
It's really a ridiculous comparison, ED medication to surgical abortion. I find it offensive to women to make that comparison. Way to go Mary Lou. Politicians wonder why we think they are a joke.
It's really a ridiculous comparison, ED medication to surgical abortion. I find it offensive to women to make that comparison. Way to go Mary Lou. Politicians wonder why we think they are a joke.
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