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Majority of U.S. citizens say illegal immigrants should be deported
(Reuters) - More than half of U.S. citizens believe that most or all of the country's 11 million illegal immigrants should be deported, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday that highlights the difficulties facing lawmakers trying to reform the U.S. immigration system.
The online survey shows resistance to easing immigration laws despite the biggest push for reform in Congress since 2007.
Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.
Only 5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally, and 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay.
These results are in line with other polls in recent years, suggesting that people's views on immigration have not changed dramatically since the immigration debate reignited in Congress last month, according to Ipsos pollster Julia Clark.
"It's not Americans' views that are shifting. It is that the political climate is ripe for this discussion," after the November election when Hispanics voted overwhelmingly in favor of Democratic President Barack Obama, she said.
"Democrats feel that the time is right to capitalize on their wins and Republicans feel that they had a bad blow and are eager to reach out to Hispanics," she added.
Polls show that most Americans back immigration reform, although they often have different ideas of what that means, with some people favoring looser immigration laws while others want to see greater border security.
A group of eight U.S. senators are working on a bipartisan deal to enact immigration reform, the first major attempt since a similar overhaul died in Congress six years ago.
The senators' proposal calls for a full path to citizenship for illegal immigrants once they pay back taxes and a fine and wait in line behind others applying to become Americans.
A plan by Obama has similar provisions, but the senators want any move to relax immigration laws dependant on boosting security on the southern border.
ISSUE POLARIZES POLICYMAKERS
Attitudes toward immigration are polarized by party, according to another the Reuters/Ipsos poll. Seventy-five percent of Republicans think all or most immigrants should be deported, compared to 40 percent of Democrats who think the same.
Republican Senator John McCain, one of the eight senators in the group, had his own encounter with citizens angered by illegal immigration on Tuesday when residents of his state of Arizona complained bitterly at a town hall meeting about the lack of security on the border with Mexico.
One man asked why troops had not been deployed to the border.
"Why didn't the army go down there and stop them? Because the only thing that stops them I'm afraid to say, and it's too damn bad, is a gun," the man said,
Another resident, Keith Smith, got into a testy exchange with McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate whose views on immigration have fluctuated over the years.
"Cut off their welfare and all their stuff and they'll go back," Smith said, referring to undocumented workers.
McCain had been trying to explain his position: "You're not telling these people the truth. They mow our lawns, they care for our babies, they clean . . . that's what those people do," he said.
The Arizona lawmaker, whose position on immigration hardened during the 2010 midterm elections before softening again, is a key part of the Republican side of the senators' bipartisan immigration effort.
Wednesday's Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Friday through Tuesday and surveyed 1,443 Americans over the age of 18.
The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval. In this survey, the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.
SOURCE: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/21/us-usa-immigration-idUSBRE91K01A20130221
The online survey shows resistance to easing immigration laws despite the biggest push for reform in Congress since 2007.
Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.
Only 5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally, and 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay.
These results are in line with other polls in recent years, suggesting that people's views on immigration have not changed dramatically since the immigration debate reignited in Congress last month, according to Ipsos pollster Julia Clark.
"It's not Americans' views that are shifting. It is that the political climate is ripe for this discussion," after the November election when Hispanics voted overwhelmingly in favor of Democratic President Barack Obama, she said.
"Democrats feel that the time is right to capitalize on their wins and Republicans feel that they had a bad blow and are eager to reach out to Hispanics," she added.
Polls show that most Americans back immigration reform, although they often have different ideas of what that means, with some people favoring looser immigration laws while others want to see greater border security.
A group of eight U.S. senators are working on a bipartisan deal to enact immigration reform, the first major attempt since a similar overhaul died in Congress six years ago.
The senators' proposal calls for a full path to citizenship for illegal immigrants once they pay back taxes and a fine and wait in line behind others applying to become Americans.
A plan by Obama has similar provisions, but the senators want any move to relax immigration laws dependant on boosting security on the southern border.
ISSUE POLARIZES POLICYMAKERS
Attitudes toward immigration are polarized by party, according to another the Reuters/Ipsos poll. Seventy-five percent of Republicans think all or most immigrants should be deported, compared to 40 percent of Democrats who think the same.
Republican Senator John McCain, one of the eight senators in the group, had his own encounter with citizens angered by illegal immigration on Tuesday when residents of his state of Arizona complained bitterly at a town hall meeting about the lack of security on the border with Mexico.
One man asked why troops had not been deployed to the border.
"Why didn't the army go down there and stop them? Because the only thing that stops them I'm afraid to say, and it's too damn bad, is a gun," the man said,
Another resident, Keith Smith, got into a testy exchange with McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate whose views on immigration have fluctuated over the years.
"Cut off their welfare and all their stuff and they'll go back," Smith said, referring to undocumented workers.
McCain had been trying to explain his position: "You're not telling these people the truth. They mow our lawns, they care for our babies, they clean . . . that's what those people do," he said.
The Arizona lawmaker, whose position on immigration hardened during the 2010 midterm elections before softening again, is a key part of the Republican side of the senators' bipartisan immigration effort.
Wednesday's Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Friday through Tuesday and surveyed 1,443 Americans over the age of 18.
The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval. In this survey, the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.
SOURCE: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/21/us-usa-immigration-idUSBRE91K01A20130221
I think just the title of this article is telling. This is a problem decades old, enough blame to go round and around and altho none of us like the situation it is what it is and what to do about it after years and years of ignoring it by our elected officials. How would we afford the cost alone, let alone rounding up the multitudes that are here (illegally)? We are broke, remember? Secondly, the children that were brought here by their parents are blameless and cannot be held responsible or accountable for the laws their parents broke way back then. I dont see us having a choice but to provide a way of letting them stay. We have schooled them afterall and we need the taxes of course! So in a nutshell, our elected officials have created this mess by kicking the can down the road and its going to take them cleaning it up. It is kind of entertaining watching them squirm as to how they are going to tackle the problem. But of course in a time when it will be advantageous for all parties to do so, Im guessing it will get done. Not to everyones liking either.
Even though they may be here illegally,not paying them minimum wage is nothing more than slaving!Slaves!Incentive to make them want to work here ,puleease!Rent,utility, bills,fuel ,groceries,everything we pay...Can you pay bills and living expences on minimum wage?NO ONE CAN so what kind of incentive is that?It is something warm in your belly and the dreams of sending your kids to College,of living in more than a corrugated tin shack , nwe shoe with out having to sacrifice meals for them
I was in Guaymas Mexico one side of the street had nice stuccoed littles homes and the other a bunch of tin shacks and cardboard.Venders coming to the house to sell cleaned Nopales.Do you know how tedious it is to clean all those thorns from them without becoming a pincushion?What a hard way to make a little change.Marisella worked at a fish processing plant 12 hours a day .pay is 5 dollars a day.
I don't think they see all the pictures of our homeless living in cars and camps and under bridges.The only see the ones picture perfect flowers in the yard and playing ball.Can't blame anyone for hopes and dreams and trying by the sweat off your back to have what you percieve as a better life for your children and grandchildren.
Oh! Off the subject some I once saw a very old man and woman working and on second look he had one arm,No disability or Social Security check here folks.!
I was in Guaymas Mexico one side of the street had nice stuccoed littles homes and the other a bunch of tin shacks and cardboard.Venders coming to the house to sell cleaned Nopales.Do you know how tedious it is to clean all those thorns from them without becoming a pincushion?What a hard way to make a little change.Marisella worked at a fish processing plant 12 hours a day .pay is 5 dollars a day.
I don't think they see all the pictures of our homeless living in cars and camps and under bridges.The only see the ones picture perfect flowers in the yard and playing ball.Can't blame anyone for hopes and dreams and trying by the sweat off your back to have what you percieve as a better life for your children and grandchildren.
Oh! Off the subject some I once saw a very old man and woman working and on second look he had one arm,No disability or Social Security check here folks.!
I didn't take you that way at all but when any word has more then 4letters in it I start getting confused,lol
as far as the " illegals " doing the menial work, I sure don't have the answer cause for example say we ship em all outa here then to get
" legal workers," I can only imagine they wouldn't do the jobs unless it was for more $$$$, so then the price of everything goes up to make ends meet so again I sure don't have the answer, but imo I'm thinking more along the line of some kind of legal work visa or something with some sort of chance to become legal citizens after the other immigrants who are already inline and waiting to become legal citizens have there chance.
btw I recently saw a story on Onyango Obama ( da pres's bro ) who has been in this country for 43yrs and if I'm not mistaken illegally, he must have connections somewhere,lol
btw btw anybody ever seen the Mexicans immigration policy towards Americans?
as far as the " illegals " doing the menial work, I sure don't have the answer cause for example say we ship em all outa here then to get
" legal workers," I can only imagine they wouldn't do the jobs unless it was for more $$$$, so then the price of everything goes up to make ends meet so again I sure don't have the answer, but imo I'm thinking more along the line of some kind of legal work visa or something with some sort of chance to become legal citizens after the other immigrants who are already inline and waiting to become legal citizens have there chance.
btw I recently saw a story on Onyango Obama ( da pres's bro ) who has been in this country for 43yrs and if I'm not mistaken illegally, he must have connections somewhere,lol
btw btw anybody ever seen the Mexicans immigration policy towards Americans?
You are so right on!
When my son ran a business in S.F., the only people who would do the "menial" work were the people from across the border. They had papers but I suspect many workers with papers don't have the official papers. I assumed they were legal but when one guy went home to take care of his dying father he couldn't get across the border again to get back to work.
These guys were working 2 or 3 jobs sleeping in cars and sending the money back to feed their families. I have nothing but admiration for them.
When he advertised for replacements, there were no American born takers, well one girl who got fired when she showed up for work drunk...
Same thing in NYC.
There is no shame in hard work, it makes me wonder whatever happened to America?
When my son ran a business in S.F., the only people who would do the "menial" work were the people from across the border. They had papers but I suspect many workers with papers don't have the official papers. I assumed they were legal but when one guy went home to take care of his dying father he couldn't get across the border again to get back to work.
These guys were working 2 or 3 jobs sleeping in cars and sending the money back to feed their families. I have nothing but admiration for them.
When he advertised for replacements, there were no American born takers, well one girl who got fired when she showed up for work drunk...
Same thing in NYC.
There is no shame in hard work, it makes me wonder whatever happened to America?
LOL
Actually, it was me being a smart@ss because I was going to point out that advocating paying less than minimum wage could be considered 'incitement' which is also illegal, except I took the time to look up incitement and came across the interesting fact that the definition of incitement was changed in Oct. 2008, which distracted me into a whole different line of thought.......
Actually, it was me being a smart@ss because I was going to point out that advocating paying less than minimum wage could be considered 'incitement' which is also illegal, except I took the time to look up incitement and came across the interesting fact that the definition of incitement was changed in Oct. 2008, which distracted me into a whole different line of thought.......
Interesting point when you consider that illegals are already illegal, and then of course hiring them is supposed to be illegal. Everything going on around the situation is illegal, why would the wage rate be legal?
I don't know the answers but what were doing isn't working and I am not for sure how some of the things that are being talked about are going to work.
I don't know the answers but what were doing isn't working and I am not for sure how some of the things that are being talked about are going to work.
" Paying workers less than minimum wage is illegal. "
not trying to be a smart a$$ but it seems kind of ironic when you think about it " paying illegal workers less then minimum wage is illegal "
not trying to be a smart a$$ but it seems kind of ironic when you think about it " paying illegal workers less then minimum wage is illegal "
Paying workers less than minimum wage is illegal.
We won't have to worry about amnesty. With this sequestration and all of the looming cuts, boarder security is one of the first things to be slashed. So we went from being proud of the President for doing the most in recent history regarding immigration (more people deported) to simply getting ready to open the gates. That is brilliant. Do all of that work, and just dump it near the outhouse....
Close the borders send them all back where they came from?Who is going to do the unskilled labor you and you and you won't do even if faced with unemployment.?I did it when I was younger rather than face unemployment.It was very hard then.The sound of ladders and singing up and down the rows every morning.I asked them one time how you be so happy and singing to do this hard work."Because we are happy to be able to work!"Would most Americans be happy to work weighed down with a picking sack that weighs more than you wife?Nope.
Hold a Lottery twice a year and give them hope of being here legally.Come up with some other solutions.It can be done.What's the alternative?Bombing and booby-trapping the whole border?We are more intelligent than to just close the borders ,send them back right?
Hold a Lottery twice a year and give them hope of being here legally.Come up with some other solutions.It can be done.What's the alternative?Bombing and booby-trapping the whole border?We are more intelligent than to just close the borders ,send them back right?
Here in Washington state fruit harvest workers ARE paid minimum wage!!!Get your facts!
"Amnesty for those who've been here a specific period of time and put down roots at this point."
I don't think total amnesty should be an option for anyone who entered the country illegally. A path to citizenship? Maybe, under certain circumstances.......
Amnesty lets them off scott free for breaking our laws; does anyone think for one minute that if I crossed illegally into Mexico, I'd get any kind of amnesty? No, I wouldn't....... Does anyone think I could go to Mexico and insist that everyone learn my language? If so, think again..Insist on flying an American flag? Nope, won't happen. Does anyone think I could go to Mexico and get free health care? Nope, not happening..
There are a lot of illegal aliens who have come into this country illegally; they need to pay fines for their crimes, get proper documentation in order to keep jobs, then go to the end of the line to become citizens. Why should people trying to become citizens "the right way" have to take a back seat to those who came here illegally? Allowing illegals amnesty only encourages more illegals......
I don't think total amnesty should be an option for anyone who entered the country illegally. A path to citizenship? Maybe, under certain circumstances.......
Amnesty lets them off scott free for breaking our laws; does anyone think for one minute that if I crossed illegally into Mexico, I'd get any kind of amnesty? No, I wouldn't....... Does anyone think I could go to Mexico and insist that everyone learn my language? If so, think again..Insist on flying an American flag? Nope, won't happen. Does anyone think I could go to Mexico and get free health care? Nope, not happening..
There are a lot of illegal aliens who have come into this country illegally; they need to pay fines for their crimes, get proper documentation in order to keep jobs, then go to the end of the line to become citizens. Why should people trying to become citizens "the right way" have to take a back seat to those who came here illegally? Allowing illegals amnesty only encourages more illegals......
Amnesty for those who've been here a specific period of time and put down roots at this point. Otherwise, they can go through the proper channels to become US citizens.
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I agree with that for the most part.
What I object to is the way some people (not you) portray illegal immigrants as bloodsucking thieves who are destroying this country. It is a kind of scapegoating. Many of the people who spout off about them (especially the latin "aliens") use them for cheap labor themselves. This country is basically run on their labor but officially *they* are condemned for trying to make a better life for themselves.
I agree there needs to be a humane and proper procedure for immigration and that we cannot automatically open our borders to everyone w/o limitations but I am addressing the hypocrisy of the more fervent anti immigration stand..
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I agree with that for the most part.
What I object to is the way some people (not you) portray illegal immigrants as bloodsucking thieves who are destroying this country. It is a kind of scapegoating. Many of the people who spout off about them (especially the latin "aliens") use them for cheap labor themselves. This country is basically run on their labor but officially *they* are condemned for trying to make a better life for themselves.
I agree there needs to be a humane and proper procedure for immigration and that we cannot automatically open our borders to everyone w/o limitations but I am addressing the hypocrisy of the more fervent anti immigration stand..
You: liberal
Me: conservative
And we agree on this subject. Yeah.
Me: conservative
And we agree on this subject. Yeah.
Hm. Not how I see it. Work ethic may put you in a position to have others work for you but that is different than wanting to sit on one's butt. 401k's are earned by getting yourself educated and in a situation where you can participate in such a plan and one has to contribute to match any funds. It's a way of encouraging people to not spend every penny they have and save for the future.
Work ethic to me is different than you describe. I found a strong work ethic to be what got me to financial independence (which I was told from a young age that I had to achieve. That NO ONE would catch me as an adult if I fall. I have always believed that and lived that way. ).
Well, perhaps you are too deep for me tonight.
I still believe that we close our borders and send back who cross illegally. Amnesty for those who've been here a specific period of time and put down roots at this point. Otherwise, they can go through the proper channels to become US citizens. Not sure why that is something anyone would have a problem with.
Work ethic to me is different than you describe. I found a strong work ethic to be what got me to financial independence (which I was told from a young age that I had to achieve. That NO ONE would catch me as an adult if I fall. I have always believed that and lived that way. ).
Well, perhaps you are too deep for me tonight.
I still believe that we close our borders and send back who cross illegally. Amnesty for those who've been here a specific period of time and put down roots at this point. Otherwise, they can go through the proper channels to become US citizens. Not sure why that is something anyone would have a problem with.
Excellent.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
My comment about most Americans not studying history was meant to point out that every civilization that has relied on second class citizens to 'do' for them has collapsed. We have devolved into a nation where the ultimate goal is to become part of the investor class where we can sit on our bvtts and let someone else do the work. It's reflected in our lack of work ethic, our 401k retirement system, our fixation on being entertained, the fact that we are willing to let immigrants be our doctors and engineers rather than educate our children, and a dozen other examples. The Romans voted themselves 'bread and circuses' and hired mercenaries to guard their borders. The problem is not the Mexicans who pick our crops or the South Asians who do our tech work and our doctoring. It's us.
No I dont believe that at all. And honestly I do not think they should wave a wand and let everyone stay. Or come in. Lord knows Jimmy Carter made that mistake (great man, terrible President and yes a Democrat who I voted for (shame face).
I am really confused. So, people here think we should allow anyone who would like to to just come on in and hang out without going through proper citizenship channels?
"...So let's encourage people to break the law and maybe get deported so we can pay lower prices..."
That doesn't even make sense.
I'm simply pointing out that if you grant amnesty to 'them' and make them all citizens, you'll have to pay them minimum-wage, and our costs for good & services will increase accordingly.
If wages have a forced increase (which will be the bi-product of making them citizens), then the costs of the associated products will increase.
That doesn't even make sense.
I'm simply pointing out that if you grant amnesty to 'them' and make them all citizens, you'll have to pay them minimum-wage, and our costs for good & services will increase accordingly.
If wages have a forced increase (which will be the bi-product of making them citizens), then the costs of the associated products will increase.
It makes much more sense to deport them all (imagine the costs of housing, medical, travel, government bureaucracy etc. related to that) and then have them sneak right back in again.
Well I guess it would create some more government jobs.
Well I guess it would create some more government jobs.
So let's encourage people to break the law and maybe get deported do we can pay lower prices...you take the cake dude.
If you think that fruit & vegetables, etc, are expensive now, just wait until you make those 22 million illegal fruit/veg-pickers LEGAL (and have to pay them at least minimum-wage).
If wages for fruit/veg-pickers increases, then prices will increase.
If wages for fruit/veg-pickers increases, then prices will increase.
Great post. Thanks!
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