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California Dream Act
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/26/local/la-me-brown-dream-act-20110726
"Following through on a campaign promise, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law Monday easing access to privately funded financial aid for undocumented college students. He also signaled that he was likely to back a more controversial measure allowing those students to seek state-funded tuition aid in the future.
Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), author of the private financial aid measure, described it as an important but incremental step toward expanding opportunities for deserving students who were brought to the U.S. illegally through no choice of their own. Cedillo is pressing ahead with a more expansive measure that would make certain undocumented students eligible for the state's Cal Grants and other forms of state tuition aid.
Brown said he was "positively inclined" to back that bill but would not make a decision until it crosses his desk.
"I'm committed to expanding opportunity wherever I can find it, and certainly these kinds of bills promote a goal of a more inclusive California and a more educated California," Brown told reporters after the bill-signing ceremony Monday.
For Brown, signing Cedillo's bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall. Legislation providing education funding to undocumented students has been a top priority for many Latino groups, which have found many of their efforts thwarted so far at the federal level. Last year proponents failed to marshal enough votes in the U.S. Senate to ensure passage of the federal DREAM Act, which would have created a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before age 16 if they attended a college or served in the military.
Brown's position on the California Dream Act was being closely monitored after he angered some prominent Latino leaders by vetoing a bill last month that would have made it easier for farmworkers to organize. Though Brown noted in his veto message that he signed legislation helping farm workers unionize during his first stint as governor in the mid-1970s, his veto was sharply criticized by the United Farm Workers, which counted the bill among their top priorities.
But several analysts who study Latino politics said the California Dream Act was far more important symbolically to many in the Latino community. Fernando Guerra, director of the Center for the Study of Los Angeles at Loyola Marymount University, said the bill was viewed by many as a measure of social acceptance of Latinos because it would increase opportunity for the best and brightest among the undocumented.
The California Dream Act has drawn strong support across the Latino community, said Jaime A. Regalado, director of the Pat Brown Institute of Public Affairs.
"If [Brown] was looking at the balance sheet, understanding politically that he needed to sign one of these measures, it was not going to be competitive," Regalado said. "It's seen as a civil rights issue in the Latino community, especially for youth. The farmworkers' struggle is not necessarily seen as what it once was. This is an issue of the now, an issue of the moment, part of the Latino agenda and part of the future."
But opponents of the legislation say it will diminish opportunities for U.S. students.
"Obviously it falls into a different realm when the money is coming out of private pockets than it does when it's coming out of taxpayers' pockets," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates halting illegal immigration, "but nevertheless, foundations and other institutions that get tax exemptions should not be promoting policies that encourage people to remain illegally in the United States."
During a signing ceremony at Los Angeles City College, Brown largely brushed over the thorny politics of illegal immigration and sought to frame the legislation as part of the struggle to maintain education funding during California's budget crisis.
"The debate is very clear: shrivel public service, shrink back, retrench, retreat from higher education, from schools, from the investment in people; or make the investment," Brown said. "This is one piece of a very important mosaic, which is a California that works for everyone."
Brown used the issue last year against his Republican opponent, Meg Whitman, during a Fresno debate.
After an undocumented student had asked the candidates to explain their position on such legislation, Brown said that he backed the proposal and that Whitman wanted to kick undocumented students out of college, adding "that is wrong morally and humanly."
"Following through on a campaign promise, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law Monday easing access to privately funded financial aid for undocumented college students. He also signaled that he was likely to back a more controversial measure allowing those students to seek state-funded tuition aid in the future.
Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), author of the private financial aid measure, described it as an important but incremental step toward expanding opportunities for deserving students who were brought to the U.S. illegally through no choice of their own. Cedillo is pressing ahead with a more expansive measure that would make certain undocumented students eligible for the state's Cal Grants and other forms of state tuition aid.
Brown said he was "positively inclined" to back that bill but would not make a decision until it crosses his desk.
"I'm committed to expanding opportunity wherever I can find it, and certainly these kinds of bills promote a goal of a more inclusive California and a more educated California," Brown told reporters after the bill-signing ceremony Monday.
For Brown, signing Cedillo's bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall. Legislation providing education funding to undocumented students has been a top priority for many Latino groups, which have found many of their efforts thwarted so far at the federal level. Last year proponents failed to marshal enough votes in the U.S. Senate to ensure passage of the federal DREAM Act, which would have created a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before age 16 if they attended a college or served in the military.
Brown's position on the California Dream Act was being closely monitored after he angered some prominent Latino leaders by vetoing a bill last month that would have made it easier for farmworkers to organize. Though Brown noted in his veto message that he signed legislation helping farm workers unionize during his first stint as governor in the mid-1970s, his veto was sharply criticized by the United Farm Workers, which counted the bill among their top priorities.
But several analysts who study Latino politics said the California Dream Act was far more important symbolically to many in the Latino community. Fernando Guerra, director of the Center for the Study of Los Angeles at Loyola Marymount University, said the bill was viewed by many as a measure of social acceptance of Latinos because it would increase opportunity for the best and brightest among the undocumented.
The California Dream Act has drawn strong support across the Latino community, said Jaime A. Regalado, director of the Pat Brown Institute of Public Affairs.
"If [Brown] was looking at the balance sheet, understanding politically that he needed to sign one of these measures, it was not going to be competitive," Regalado said. "It's seen as a civil rights issue in the Latino community, especially for youth. The farmworkers' struggle is not necessarily seen as what it once was. This is an issue of the now, an issue of the moment, part of the Latino agenda and part of the future."
But opponents of the legislation say it will diminish opportunities for U.S. students.
"Obviously it falls into a different realm when the money is coming out of private pockets than it does when it's coming out of taxpayers' pockets," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates halting illegal immigration, "but nevertheless, foundations and other institutions that get tax exemptions should not be promoting policies that encourage people to remain illegally in the United States."
During a signing ceremony at Los Angeles City College, Brown largely brushed over the thorny politics of illegal immigration and sought to frame the legislation as part of the struggle to maintain education funding during California's budget crisis.
"The debate is very clear: shrivel public service, shrink back, retrench, retreat from higher education, from schools, from the investment in people; or make the investment," Brown said. "This is one piece of a very important mosaic, which is a California that works for everyone."
Brown used the issue last year against his Republican opponent, Meg Whitman, during a Fresno debate.
After an undocumented student had asked the candidates to explain their position on such legislation, Brown said that he backed the proposal and that Whitman wanted to kick undocumented students out of college, adding "that is wrong morally and humanly."
I"m sure I'll get taken to task over this, but I'm going to say it anyhow. My view of the left is like this....just left of center but dang close to it, you have moderate democrats, left of them you have liberals and left of them you have either bleeding heart liberals or left wingers. The further left you go, the nuttier it gets. (Same for the right.... it gets friggin nutty out there on the fringe.) A bleeding heart liberal wants to do for everyone, especially if there is a feel good moment or a potential vote.
Governor Brown may be further left than a bleeding heart. I'm not real for sure what the attraction is that California has for him, but damned if it ain't there. AS sweetpea says, the state of California is broke... somehow, someway, they keep spending money doing feel good things but not addressing the real issues at hand. That is politics in general, but California stinks of it. (Remember that rash of small town government employees that were on the news for making a huge amount of money, in California???? )
Governor Brown may be further left than a bleeding heart. I'm not real for sure what the attraction is that California has for him, but damned if it ain't there. AS sweetpea says, the state of California is broke... somehow, someway, they keep spending money doing feel good things but not addressing the real issues at hand. That is politics in general, but California stinks of it. (Remember that rash of small town government employees that were on the news for making a huge amount of money, in California???? )
I think they are all rabid and foaming at the mouth, all of em are on something, its insanity on the loose. lol
Brown is fishing for votes. He wants the Latino/Hispanic community to back him up and keep him in office, so he pulls sh!t like this. That is why he is doing it. California has a very high population of Latino/Hispanics, so he'll do all he can to keep them happy. He's playing "the game" to stay in office. ugh.
The saying of "no fault of their own" really applies to everyone, so any illegal immigrant to Calif could get this money for college. Calif is broke right now and yet we keep looking for ways to spend more money. We are the lowest in all 50 states, number 50, in job growth. And we have a number of other problems as well. Yet, right now we're focusing on giving illegals money for college?? sounds great...
The saying of "no fault of their own" really applies to everyone, so any illegal immigrant to Calif could get this money for college. Calif is broke right now and yet we keep looking for ways to spend more money. We are the lowest in all 50 states, number 50, in job growth. And we have a number of other problems as well. Yet, right now we're focusing on giving illegals money for college?? sounds great...
Well....I love being a Canadian, but truth be told...might have chosen someplace warmer..lol. Just teasing.
Thanks for explaining, both of you. I know sometimes I ask a lot of questions, and I appreciate you laying it out for me.
It does not seem fair, does it. I wonder why he did something like this? It's going to cause even more resentment then exists already. And these kids are American, so they would qualify for other sources of income that all kids do...scholarships. grants if you are low income, etc. His thinking doesn't make much sense to me.
Thanks for explaining, both of you. I know sometimes I ask a lot of questions, and I appreciate you laying it out for me.
It does not seem fair, does it. I wonder why he did something like this? It's going to cause even more resentment then exists already. And these kids are American, so they would qualify for other sources of income that all kids do...scholarships. grants if you are low income, etc. His thinking doesn't make much sense to me.
For me adgal, it is special treatment and the dumb a$$ comment about "no will of their own". Did you get to choose to be Canadian? I mean, I had absolutely no say in being American... so wouldn't that and that alone put me into the same category as the people he is talking about?
My great great grandparents were immigrants to this country. They followed the laws, knew a good deal of the language before they got here, went to work and busted their humps. The difference between them and the folks were talking about is that my great great grandparents immigrated and did it legally. The folks were talking about did not.
5 generations later, I still had no say in being an American or not. (Damn proud to be one by the way.) I was born here, and by Browns logic, that puts me and just abaout everyone else in the nation in the same boat...
My great great grandparents were immigrants to this country. They followed the laws, knew a good deal of the language before they got here, went to work and busted their humps. The difference between them and the folks were talking about is that my great great grandparents immigrated and did it legally. The folks were talking about did not.
5 generations later, I still had no say in being an American or not. (Damn proud to be one by the way.) I was born here, and by Browns logic, that puts me and just abaout everyone else in the nation in the same boat...
"Are you upset because he is giving these kids special treatment, or is it because their parents were illegals"?
YES the special treatment is my beef.
"Do you think the fact that these kids were born here, and therefor American citizens, that they should get equal treatment as the kids whose parents either came here legally, or are Americans"?
YES if there is going to be ease for financial aid, it should be for ALL who attend college....
"Am I way off base here"?
Not at all dear:)
YES the special treatment is my beef.
"Do you think the fact that these kids were born here, and therefor American citizens, that they should get equal treatment as the kids whose parents either came here legally, or are Americans"?
YES if there is going to be ease for financial aid, it should be for ALL who attend college....
"Am I way off base here"?
Not at all dear:)
At the risk of sounding stupid here..lol. Question for you guys. Are you upset because he is giving these kids special treatment, or is it because their parents were illegals? Do you think the fact that these kids were born here, and therefor American citizens, that they should get equal treatment as the kids whose parents either came here legally, or are Americans? I guess that's how I see it...they are Americans, but should not be getting special treatment. Am I way off base here? As always, thanks for answering my questions! Still trying to sort out where the immigration issue lies. I understand most of it, but this particular issue (kids who were born here to illegals) confuses me.
I am not self destructive, but if I were.... that is the kind of crap that would make me bash my own head in so I wouldn't have to risk hearing anything like that again.
That's what I'm saying....LOL
"Through no fault of their own". Gotta love that terminology. That covers all of us.... I didn't have a say in my birth! I couldn't pick the day, month, week, state, country, time,..... none of that. In fact, I couldn't pick my parents so I think that double qualifies me!
Thanks Governor Brown.... I know not only understand how California continues to be all jacked up fiscally, and I have a head ache from laughing.... you've put a whole new paint job on ignorance.
Thanks Governor Brown.... I know not only understand how California continues to be all jacked up fiscally, and I have a head ache from laughing.... you've put a whole new paint job on ignorance.
Thanks Teko. I am trying to understand some of the details of the immigration laws, and I appreciate you explaining that to me. So these kids born here ARE in fact US citizens. Personally, I don't think they should get more or less then any other citizen. For the record, that is how it works here as well. Born here, citizen, eligible for any benefits anyone born here gets. The mistake, as I see it, is extending more then someone like Sweetpea gets. It's dividing and creates resentment (I would resent it too). That's never a positive thing.
Yes, anyone born here is automatically a citizen. This is for the children brought here by their parents from what I am understanding, due to no fault of their own. Again depending on who writes the article it seems. They have been going to our schools all this time and frankly as such I have no problem with that group being here and participating in our society. Does it make sense to give them an expensive education and send them elsewhere? No I dont think so. I agree with the Dream Act, dont get me wrong. Just not with the way this is being done or seemingly why. If we are getting facts and this is what it is.
Still confused here.
First off, I fully agree it's not right to provide financial help to undocumented individuals vs. American citizens..no disagreement at all.
But where I am confused...isn't anyone who was born in the US a citizen automatically? Again, not agreeing with the policy, just trying to clear up some of my own confusion. My hsubands cousin is a Canadian living and working in the US (legally). His wife is also a Canadian (living there legally). But their daughter who was born there has US citizenship.
Again, no argument that the policy isn't right, just confused.
First off, I fully agree it's not right to provide financial help to undocumented individuals vs. American citizens..no disagreement at all.
But where I am confused...isn't anyone who was born in the US a citizen automatically? Again, not agreeing with the policy, just trying to clear up some of my own confusion. My hsubands cousin is a Canadian living and working in the US (legally). His wife is also a Canadian (living there legally). But their daughter who was born there has US citizenship.
Again, no argument that the policy isn't right, just confused.
Wouldnt it be a better idea for Obama to fix immigration rules and laws or should it be simply 'open borders' let them all come in ...
But if they have a visa, then they are here legally for a certain time period. This is for illegal, undocumented individuals to get money to go to college, but they can't work after they earn their degree.
They can if they have a Visa to work. When I worked at the bank, that was what they used as verification/Identification when they came in to cash their checks.
What I want to know is, why are we helping pay for their(illegal immigrants) tuition, when even after they graduate they can't get a job? So why are we helping to get them through college? That doesn't make any sense. They are not citizens, meaning they can't be employed.
Yep, I agree if that is what it is and why it was done, it is just wrong. Period.
If they are here through "no fault of their own", it still doesn't make it right for them to have it easier than a natural born citizens who was born here "at no fault of there own" to attend college and get funding...In that case Funding should be available and easy for ALL who attend college......From reading the article teko posted, it sounds like this was simply passed as a thank you for voting for him....
"For Brown, signing Cedillo’s bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall".
"For Brown, signing Cedillo’s bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall".
Okay, depending on which site you visit, whether it be right or left I guess the story differs. If it is right wing, they are illegal, undocumented blah blah blah.
If you are left it is the children already attending school and in the US thru no fault of their own. So folks, its all in the verbage as usual. Pick your poison. I still want to know how it is state and not federal that controls this subject....I thought this was federal territory. Guess not.
Important Step For Students Brought To The U.S. Through No Choice Of Their Own
Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), author of the private financial aid measure, described it as an important but incremental step toward expanding opportunities for deserving students who were brought to the U.S. illegally through no choice of their own.
“I’m committed to expanding opportunity wherever I can find it, and certainly these kinds of bills promote a goal of a more inclusive California and a more educated California,” Brown told reporters after the bill-signing ceremony Monday.
For Brown, signing Cedillo’s bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall. Legislation providing education funding to undocumented students has been a top priority for many Latino groups, which have found many of their efforts thwarted so far at the federal level. Last year proponents failed to marshal enough votes in the U.S. Senate to ensure passage of the federal DREAM Act, which would have created a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before age 16 if they attended a college or served in the military.
California Dream Act Is Not A Pathway To Citizenship
AB 130, unlike the federal DREAM Act, does not create a pathway for undocumented college students to become U.S. citizens.
Brown’s position on the California DREAM Act was being closely monitored after he angered some prominent Latino leaders by vetoing a bill last month that would have made it easier for farmworkers to organize.
California joins several other states that offer tuition breaks to illegal immigrants, including New York, New Mexico, Texas and Maryland.
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/governor-jerry-brown-signs-california-dream-act.html#ixzz1WMBpqE7p
If you are left it is the children already attending school and in the US thru no fault of their own. So folks, its all in the verbage as usual. Pick your poison. I still want to know how it is state and not federal that controls this subject....I thought this was federal territory. Guess not.
Important Step For Students Brought To The U.S. Through No Choice Of Their Own
Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), author of the private financial aid measure, described it as an important but incremental step toward expanding opportunities for deserving students who were brought to the U.S. illegally through no choice of their own.
“I’m committed to expanding opportunity wherever I can find it, and certainly these kinds of bills promote a goal of a more inclusive California and a more educated California,” Brown told reporters after the bill-signing ceremony Monday.
For Brown, signing Cedillo’s bill was a gesture of goodwill toward Latino voters, who helped elect him in large numbers last fall. Legislation providing education funding to undocumented students has been a top priority for many Latino groups, which have found many of their efforts thwarted so far at the federal level. Last year proponents failed to marshal enough votes in the U.S. Senate to ensure passage of the federal DREAM Act, which would have created a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before age 16 if they attended a college or served in the military.
California Dream Act Is Not A Pathway To Citizenship
AB 130, unlike the federal DREAM Act, does not create a pathway for undocumented college students to become U.S. citizens.
Brown’s position on the California DREAM Act was being closely monitored after he angered some prominent Latino leaders by vetoing a bill last month that would have made it easier for farmworkers to organize.
California joins several other states that offer tuition breaks to illegal immigrants, including New York, New Mexico, Texas and Maryland.
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/governor-jerry-brown-signs-california-dream-act.html#ixzz1WMBpqE7p
I went through it. Unfortunately I didn't have a scholarship (my fault cus I goofed off in high school a bit..lol) but when I was in College getting my Business Degree, I also worked full time at a bank. I was single, working full time, living on my own and paying my own rent, BUT because I was under the age of 25 my mom was still legally responsible for my education..(so they said) So they combined both our income's and said I couldn't qualify for any grants and the financial aid I did qualify for, I had to pay while I was in school. At 30 I just finished paying off my student loans (thanks to my husband who works VERY hard to provide for his family) It's NOT fair and I hope this does get overturned.
they like to call it political correctness .
Well it seems it can be done by the state, although I really hope someone can overturn this.
I don't think it matters as to whether or not they were born here or not, they still get funding to go to college while being here illegally. Where else on earth would any one else do something like this? I can't run to Canada and get my college paid for while being there illegally. No one does this because it doesn't make any sense. California is so stupid. I have friends who have worked their butts off for school and have lately been denied financial aid. And we are all citizens who have put in the tax money. My friend just dropped out this semester because she can't afford it anymore after her financial aid got cut. I'm so grateful for my scholarship, so I don't worry about whether or not I can continue to get financial aid, but it's tough watching friends go through it. This is just not right...
I don't think it matters as to whether or not they were born here or not, they still get funding to go to college while being here illegally. Where else on earth would any one else do something like this? I can't run to Canada and get my college paid for while being there illegally. No one does this because it doesn't make any sense. California is so stupid. I have friends who have worked their butts off for school and have lately been denied financial aid. And we are all citizens who have put in the tax money. My friend just dropped out this semester because she can't afford it anymore after her financial aid got cut. I'm so grateful for my scholarship, so I don't worry about whether or not I can continue to get financial aid, but it's tough watching friends go through it. This is just not right...
I have a question on this..maybe I missed it in the article. Are these kids born here and the children of undocumented people, or just undocumented in their own right?
Sure doesn't seem right to me to seemingly punish American students in their own country. Maybe you guys should adopt Canada's soon to be new policy...pay them all $2000 and ask them nicely to leave - not that that will work either, but will further help them pay for their education. Good Lord, what a mess this all is.
Sure doesn't seem right to me to seemingly punish American students in their own country. Maybe you guys should adopt Canada's soon to be new policy...pay them all $2000 and ask them nicely to leave - not that that will work either, but will further help them pay for their education. Good Lord, what a mess this all is.
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