Normal Numbers?

[Rincer]

There is a lot of noise on the internet regarding what are the 'Normal Numbers'. I believe oficial ADA numbers are
< 100 for fasting, <140 1hr after meal and <120 two or more hours after meal.

But then many articles say 'True Normal Numbers' are < 83 fasting and always < 100.

What do they mean by 'True Normal Numbers'?

Also are these averages or absolute maximums?

[Rincer]

Yes please.

[diabetes86]

You want us to name the actual studies done to determine normal BG?

[Rincer]

Hi,

I watched a few of Dr Bernstein videos and it pretty much confirms that this is not an exact science. He is basing his theories on what blood sugar levels are in young children, pregnant women and traveling glucose monitor salesmen, and the ADA according to him is basing it on the number of lawsuits resulting in deaths from hypoglycemia.

Where is the actual science though?

The meter salesmen all had readings of exactly 83 except one who was 66 and admitted to being a bit low? Can this even be taken seriously?

[Super_sally888]

Look up Dr Richard Bernstein and Bernstein University on u tube fir more info.  He is a pioneer  of normalizing blood sugars in people with diabetes.  

[Super_sally888]

There are continuous glucose monitoring studies in people with no signs of diabetes. There people showing fasting blood glucose typically in the low 80s Anne with very little variance even when they eat.

Blood glucose in children and during normal pregnancy is also lower.  

[diabetes86]

Diabetes is all about (blood glucose) BG numbers.  The Med. community decides where to draw the line.

Used to be under 200 was good then they found out people under 200 developed complications.  So the redrew the line at 180 guess what they too developed complications. So it went to 160 for a short time.  We do know from studys and lab work that any BG over 140 causes damage to nerves and capillaries.  Now most diabetics are higher at one hour and drop by hour 2.  I have NO idea why the medical community is so stuck on 2 hours.  the ONLY thing that test will show you is that you have some function left in the pancreas.

So many diabetics have a 2 hour that is under 120 but the Peek BG that happens much sooner than 2 hours is much higher than 120.

Remember the numbers that the med community spout are just drawn in the sand and can move.  The only number that has any real science behind it that BG over 140 causes damage.

[Rincer]

ooppps formatting error, it didnt like my 'less than' sign. I meant to say people with less than 120 didn't develop diabetic complications, but the ones with greater than 120, two hrs or more after meal did.

[Rincer]

Also how do they measure these numbers to be 'normal' or 'truly normal'. There doesn't seem to be any scientific data attached.

Is it all based on patient history? i.e. people with  120 did?