there are a number of different tests to evaluate the gall bladder. If you recently underwent a CCK- assessment of gall bladder contraction, then you had a test which is very sensitive for the diagnosis of gall bladder disease, even in the absence of gall stones. If the CCK test is normal but you still beleive that the problem is the gall bladder, then removal of the gall bladder would be needed. If the pain persisted , then a problem in the gall bladder was not the cause. Needless to say, doctors are reluctant to perform surgery in the absence of an accepted indication and patients are not interested in surgery when the benefits are explained in the terms.
Has your doctor looked for other possible causes e.g. gastroparesis small intestine pathology? Abdominal pain is often a diagnostic dilemna and a multitude of tests may be needed before a diagnosis is made.
I know exactly what you are saying. I have the same set of symptoms and all the tests are negative also. They went in with a laparoscope last fall and found a bleeding ovarian cyst and removed it. I improved for a couple of months and then it was back. They went in again and found more cysts, took the ovaries out. Now, here we are (since February), I have daily discomfort under my right rib also. The past month and a half it has gone into chest pain and radiates up into the shoulder and back. He is planning an ERCP for two weeks.
Have you had several bowel movements a day? Is yours aggravated by activity. Can you wear a waistband around your middle or panty hose? I can't stand my jeans and haven't been able to for a long time.
Tracie: Thank you for your reply. I can't stand to wear anything tight against my stomach. I can't even stand to have my husband put his arm around my stomach at night when we are going to bed. I don't wear panty hose anymore. I wear slacks to work. Some days I have several bowel movements a day and then there are days that I go without having any. I have had a hysterectomy in '95' and then my ovaries out in '96' so those weren't options in this case. I find it amazing that we can have these symptoms but no diagnosis. I don't deal well with Dr.s who say that the test came out negative isn't that wonderful. Yea well thats great so where is the pain coming from. I am starting to doubt the medical industry. In as much as technology today is phenominal, people are still in pain and they cannot seem to find the reason for the pain. I am wondering if the item in the body that is causing the pain needs to blow up before they find out what it is. But then it won't matter will it because the person who was in pain will probably be dead or wish they were at that point. Sorry I sound so cynical but I just can't help it. I can't believe that no one can pin point what the problem is. My ankles started swelling a year ago, they PRESUME it is some form of arthritis, however, it is such a non-specific disease, or so I have been told, they cannot pin point the exact disease, until it becomes rheumatoid I PRESUME. Obviously, that is the problem here, this must be such a non-specific disease that they cannot figure out what it is.
Well thanx for listening. Hope you are feeling better.
I also have had a hysterectomy in 1995 and the ovaries last year. Do you take estrogen? Have they done an ERCP on you? Have they tested the sphincter of Oddi? Are you seeing a gastroenterologist? Have they done an ERCP? You can e-mail me and we can talk more privately: ***@****-net.com
Dear Ellen and Tracie,
I have been having uper abd pain since May of this year. I have posted a question- Upper LEFT abd pain. I am just writing a reply because I am sharing in your frustration! I am part of that medical profession. I am an RN in an ICU. Even having access to so many physicians doesn't help. No one is willing to listen and just say well maybe you should do this or that.
Anyway, I can't believe the number of people who post that have unexplained abd. pain. On one hand it makes me feel better but on the other hand it is very discouraging(sp). I am going for a second opinion with a GI specialist on Nov. 1st. I made that appointment back in Sept. I think that is pretty ridiculous too! At first I had great hopes of finding the problem with this MD but now I'm not so sure.
Please let me know if either of you find out anything more about what is going on with you and I will do the same.
Have you ever heard of the use of Nitroglycerine for suspected gallbladder disorders? My doctor gave this to me. I get some relief from it for an hour or two. I do wonder about sphincter of oddi dysfunction too.
I've never heard of using nitro to treat gallbladders! That is very interesting! How much do you take and how often?
I really think he is giving me the nitro to cover two of his areas of thoughts of what is going on. I think he feels it may be sphincter of oddi dysfunction or else calculi in the biliary ducts. The nitro opens up the ducts through the whole body and for some strange reason it gives me relief. That tells me that it probably is not the gallbladder itself. All of my tests on the GB have been normal. I read further in the archives of this forum on the sphincter of oddi and the symptoms described there are exactly what I have going on. (That helps me so much to know I am not CRAZY!).
I forgot to tell you, I take it on a p.r.n. basis when the pain is very intense. I take l (.4 mg) and then in five minutes take another if the pain hasn't let up enough. Usually two helps. I've never taken 3 because it does such strange things to your body.
Is there more than one kind of Hida Scan? I am not sure if they looked at the ejection thing on mine. Is a CCK a certain type? I don't know if they know how much mine emptied. They said it filled and emptied fine, not how much. It was quite large on the scan. (?????????) Can distention stretch it out?
We are a mystery. Thanks for your input. More to think about. Will be curious to see if this does indeed take care of your pain. God Bless You!
The CCK component in the hida scan I had, is a hormone your own body makes. It is directly linked to the gallbladder and liver.
If you have had a hida scan and were told it filled/emptied fine, then you may have a problem other than gallbladder.
From what I was told, the CCK hida scan, is pretty much the final diagnostic tool for checking gallbladder disease.
Good luck to you.
I too was having the same pain. Still am actually. Finally I went in for a CCK Hida Scan. This test is specifically for the gallbladdder - done in Feb.99. Came back fairly normal. Then 2 wks ago I had another one done due to the pains coming back badly. The repeated Hida Scan showed that now my gallbladder's ejection factor(which is what they measure) went from 30% to 12%! It should be at 35%. Which is why the doc questioned whether or not it was gallbladder after the first scan. Well, it is and it is coming out!!
So, what I am trying to say is keep on the doc about the pain. I DO NOT have gallstones. So, dont let them tell you because all these tests show NO stones that it is not your gallbladder. I am living proof it is.
The pain I have goes from rt upper back, rt shoulder, rt upper quandrant (under ribs), lft shoulder and back and mid line stomach. So, just keep after the doc!
Just by the by, I have read that once the gallbladder is removed and they do a pathology on it, gallstones are usually found. It is just they were too small to be detected by any of the tests.