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Rehmannia 8

Does anyone know about or have any experience with Rehamannia 8 for their dog with CKD?
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1916673 tn?1420233270
Hi. Chinese herbal remedies are a very hot topic at the moment and receiving a huge amount of interest worldwide. It is very difficult for me (as a westerner) to consider any of it rational, because TCM treatments believe in a completely different way of thinking about the canine (and human) body, the organs and systems therein. In short, they believe in hot and old organs, the ying and yang kind of approach ... and in many cases, they refer to organs that simply don't physically exist in the body. Bear in mind, Chinese medicine does not believe in dissection, therefore their learning and traditions have developed from a theory, not experimentation or any rational testing. TCM is not just a treatment of herbs and other (often other animal) ingredients, but also involves massage and accupuncture. When consulting a TCM practitioner, always seek one that is fullyexperienced and well trained, otherwise there are huge risks.

There are some studies of using rehmannia increasing renal blood flow in patients with renal azotemia: “Rehmannia glutinose ameliorates renal function in the ischemia/reperfusion-induced acute renal failure rats.” Kang DG et al; Biological and Pharmaceutical Bulletin 2005 Sep;28(9):1662-7.
“Protective effect of Hachimi-jio-gan against renal failure in a subtotal nephrectomy rat model” Yamabe N et al; The Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology 2005 Dec; 57(12):1637-44. In addition to chronic renal failure, patients that may benefit from using Rehmannia Eight Combination may have the following conditions: hypothyroidism, degenerative myelopathy, infertility, diabetes mellitus, and asthma.

I have not quantified these studies, and therefore cannot say whether they have any validity.

Hope this info is useful to you.

Tony
Admin of the CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE IN DOGS User Group (MedHelp)
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Thanks, Tony.  I have ordered some and am going to give it a try.  I'll let you know the results when I get Benji's next blood tests in Nov.  I have also been using the Five Leaf Pet Pharmacy products since Feb of this year.  While Benji's CREA and Bun have not returned to normal, they have been holding steady.  I also make Dr. Pitcairn's  canine KD  recipe with extra beans, carrots, and asparagus, give Benji Vegiacidolphus (my holistic vet's rec),  hawthorn,alum hydro., amino B-plex, Grizzly Bear salmon oil--all these supps in organic home made applesauce several times a day.  Benji is 14, completely blind, has also collapsing trachea & attendant coughing.  I adopted him from a rescue 2 1/2 years ago.  We walk 2X/day for 30 or more minutes. He is such a sweet dog, always with his tail wagging.  Oh, also, right now, the reg vet has me giving him Clavamox for a uti.
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Benji was diagnosed with CKD 2 years ago Nov.
1916673 tn?1420233270
Hi. You've done amazingly well with Benji. It's unusual for an older dog with additional health issues to last 2yrs, even with good management. So, take a huge pat on the back my friend

The only thing I would suggest is to ensure you liaise thoroughly between your holistic vet/advisor and your traditional vet, because sometimes there are adverse reactions between the two forms of treatment. Keeping them both informed of what the other is prescribing/providing means both are aware of the full treatment plan and can advise with that knowledge accordingly.

Please think about joining our User Group, which is dedicated to owners that have or have had dogs with kidney failure. There's a wealth of information and support there.

Tony
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Yes, thanks, Tony, I want to be in the kidney failure dog user group.  I actually thought I had joined, but what else do I need to do?
1916673 tn?1420233270
Hi. I've checked the membership list and can't see your nametag there. Go to the User Group page and try joining again. Make sure you search for the right group name, which is the CHRONIC KIDNEY FAILURE IN DOGS User group.

Tony
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