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how to potty train a stupid dog
i know that the dog is not stupid, that its me whos doing something wrong, but i'm just sick of cleaning after her.. its a black lab 13 months old and she never learned to go outside to toilet... i got her when she was 2 months, i was going outside with her on a leash every two hours, and she did her business but she still went inside too whenever she wanted..
i tried using the crate when she was about 3-4 months, for about 2 months..but..she didn't care, she went to toilet in her crate too, whenever she wanted..so.. i'd rather clean her sh*t and pee of the floor than have her dirty all over in it inside the crate.. she can hold it very well, she just doesn't want to :/
i got sick of cleaning after her, and i kicked her outside, she stayed outside for few months, i didn't want her inside, i was sick of cleaning up after her every morning, and i have a baby too, who was starting to crawl and walk, i didn't want dirty floors.. i know they can be disinfected..but still...
but i let her inside again, a month ago, she held it fine during the night the first few nights, but then she had an accident, and since then she doesn't care anymore again... i let her out about every 3-4 hours..and i go to bed late, so i let her out at about 1 or 2 in the night, and then wake up at 9:30...but she already has 2..or 3... or sometimes 4 piles up on the kitchen floor...
what am i supposed to do???
i'm even trying to not feed her in the evening.. like not give her any food after like 7 o'clock..but she still has sh*t in the night..
i do drag her over to it, and point and say that its bad, and slap her, and she knows its wrong.. if i come into the kitchen and just point at it, she looks guilty, knowing its wrong... what else can i do?? help??
i tried using the crate when she was about 3-4 months, for about 2 months..but..she didn't care, she went to toilet in her crate too, whenever she wanted..so.. i'd rather clean her sh*t and pee of the floor than have her dirty all over in it inside the crate.. she can hold it very well, she just doesn't want to :/
i got sick of cleaning after her, and i kicked her outside, she stayed outside for few months, i didn't want her inside, i was sick of cleaning up after her every morning, and i have a baby too, who was starting to crawl and walk, i didn't want dirty floors.. i know they can be disinfected..but still...
but i let her inside again, a month ago, she held it fine during the night the first few nights, but then she had an accident, and since then she doesn't care anymore again... i let her out about every 3-4 hours..and i go to bed late, so i let her out at about 1 or 2 in the night, and then wake up at 9:30...but she already has 2..or 3... or sometimes 4 piles up on the kitchen floor...
what am i supposed to do???
i'm even trying to not feed her in the evening.. like not give her any food after like 7 o'clock..but she still has sh*t in the night..
i do drag her over to it, and point and say that its bad, and slap her, and she knows its wrong.. if i come into the kitchen and just point at it, she looks guilty, knowing its wrong... what else can i do?? help??
Or it could be the fact that labs are so inbred that they really are quite dumb. They cant help it. Everyonr wants a "lab puppy" like its a fashion statement, and have been backdoor bred for years now to the point they went from being known for being intelligent to literally having one brain cell. I have worked with dogs for 6 years. I have met maybe 2 labs in that tine frame that had any sense. Again its not their fault because of inbreeding. If you really think dogs cant be "mentally challenged", youre wrong. Dogs have a brain and are therefore subject to learning, behavorial, and problem solving inablilities and retardation. And dont forget that labs are big dogs. You have to establish dominancy over them to keep them from being aggressive bullies who can and will bite. It is better to establish alpha dominance now then let them get out of control thinking they are the alpha, and having to be put down because of it. How you do it is key. People tey to tell me try to tell me labs cant be aggressive its not in their nature, wrong. Every dog has that nature. Its all about if they tap into it. One lab in my daycare is a 100 pound inbred BULLY. The owners are sweet as can be. Never laid a hand on him. They did the "talk to then and show them only love" method. You know what that "cute puppy" turned into? A raging lunatic who drags the owners everywhere he goes. I cant have him around other dogs because he has no submission. He thinks he is the alpha. I am the alpha in my pack so he tries to test me every chance. He jumps on any dog smaller than him and tries to fight any dog close to his size. The dog is strong. Strong and stupid dont mix. He is fixed in case you wondered. I HAVE to manhandle this dog or he will cause a fight and bite me in the process. Nose tap doesnt work he laughs. I have to grab him by his scruff with both hands and drag him. When i have a lead he will literally try to choke himself out to go for a dog. He has to be in a separation area while he watches other dogs play. But you know what he does? He stands in a fighting stance, heckles up, mouth open, wagging his tail. When a dog approaches he goes ballistic barking and slobing at the mouth. I can guarantee he will be put down one day. How may that have been prevented? Discipline as a puppy. Swift pops on the botton as a puppy when he bite at the hand or if he got to rough, a soft pop on the nose. It snaps the dog out of the mindset and they stop and pay attention. You know what the momma dog does? Nips the nose and bites at the hindlegs to trip them up to train them to stop attacking each other and being to aggressive. All you are doing (when done the right way) is simmulating the mothers discipline. You also need to match it with twice as much love. But you dont reward your animal unless they do something they were supposed to. That is what a professional trainer will tell you. There are two ways to train, treat training and love training. The reward is either a treat or praise. Praise is the most effective. Now like i said before, discipline is to mimic the mother. Slapping a dog across the face will not teach them, it will scare them. Swift and firm but not forceful pops on the bottom or gentle quick pops on the snout cominded with your voice lowered and obvious dissappointment when saying their name twice doesnt get their attention. You must do this with large breeds (especially products of extreme inbred) or you will destine that puppy to be put down because it bite someone because it wouldnt listen. Or even worse, run in front of a car and get killed because it wouldnt listen and come when called. The goal is not to inflict pain, only to get the attention and show you are alpha. I know what I am talking about because for 6 years I have been the alpha of a pack of 30 or more daycare dogs with minor scuffles and no deaths. All breeds of dogs. They all listen when I say stop and not one dog has ever shown fear, but respect and eagerness to please the Alpha.
When it comes to this mans predicament, he has to completely retrain the dog. No way around it. If the dog respected him, she would naturally respect the house. Throwing the dog outside for months, he stopped training. The dog became accustomed to peeing and pooped where ever she pleased. Then, when the dog was brought back inside, she was accustomed to the outside, which she tried to do but found it easier to once again go wherever and whenever she pleased inside. A professional trainer is the best option because they will tell him to create a schedule and stick to it. Puppies get taken out 30/30. 30 minutes inside 30 minutes outside. Food is given at the exact time everyday, morning and evening(not night). Do not let the dog back inside until number 1 or 2 has been done, give overexaggerated praise(a treat if you can give one every time), and brought in and shown/given water. Push water at every oppurtunity its importantt. . In the evening after dinner, offer the dog all the water it can or will take, take up any accessible water sources, and take out for an hour or so until one and two have both been excreted. THAT is when you put the dog in the CRATE for the night. Before you go to bed, take out for one last duty call before the dog is back in the kennel for the night. No water. As long as plenty of water was pushed throughout the day, the dog wont die or dehydrate before the next morning. Taking the water at night prevents dogs from nervous drinking. Labs are notorious for being vaccuums. They eat or drink all of what is available because it is there not because they need it. If the dog is breastfeeding puppies still, leave a small amount of water. schedule is the most key important thing to retraining. And persistence. Dont give up after a week, it took the dog 16 months to form the bad habit, youll have to put in that to break it. You have to make sure the kennel itself is not too big. If the kennel is to big with too much space, she will pee in it. Give her enough room to turn around and thats it. It is only for her to sleep in. She doesnt need room pace, only sleep. A trainer will tell him all of this. A trainor will tell you more though. Be prepared to train side by side. He has to teach you to train. The dog has to listen to you not him or her. Rewarding is very important, thats why its better to train with love because you can always show your excitement, you might not always have a treat. also your training her to want to please, the alpha. Anyone can give her treats, not your love. And always reward. Everytime. Persistence is key. If you do all those things you will have your dog trained to use the outside. Take it from 6 years in the dog field. Also, sometimes when you put her pups in her crate with her if you have one too big, that will stop her. She wont desecrate her puppies sleeping area. Train them all at the same time hell. Good luck!
Side note: rubbing the nose in it isnt very effective it makes them want to eat the poop so you dont see it. If you catch her in the act, immediately pop the nose (gently) to get her attention and make her cease, and immediately take her outside and make her stay out there for a while until you see her finish outside. Then reward her. Dogs do not remember anything after 3 minutes so its pointless to rub her nose in it. Shell think the poop itself is the issue. Hence eat it instead of realizing doing it in the house is the problem. And a stern disappointed tone of voice is key as well. Yelling scares. Find a tone that resembles a mothers growl to speak in. Low and warning.
Good luck to you!
When it comes to this mans predicament, he has to completely retrain the dog. No way around it. If the dog respected him, she would naturally respect the house. Throwing the dog outside for months, he stopped training. The dog became accustomed to peeing and pooped where ever she pleased. Then, when the dog was brought back inside, she was accustomed to the outside, which she tried to do but found it easier to once again go wherever and whenever she pleased inside. A professional trainer is the best option because they will tell him to create a schedule and stick to it. Puppies get taken out 30/30. 30 minutes inside 30 minutes outside. Food is given at the exact time everyday, morning and evening(not night). Do not let the dog back inside until number 1 or 2 has been done, give overexaggerated praise(a treat if you can give one every time), and brought in and shown/given water. Push water at every oppurtunity its importantt. . In the evening after dinner, offer the dog all the water it can or will take, take up any accessible water sources, and take out for an hour or so until one and two have both been excreted. THAT is when you put the dog in the CRATE for the night. Before you go to bed, take out for one last duty call before the dog is back in the kennel for the night. No water. As long as plenty of water was pushed throughout the day, the dog wont die or dehydrate before the next morning. Taking the water at night prevents dogs from nervous drinking. Labs are notorious for being vaccuums. They eat or drink all of what is available because it is there not because they need it. If the dog is breastfeeding puppies still, leave a small amount of water. schedule is the most key important thing to retraining. And persistence. Dont give up after a week, it took the dog 16 months to form the bad habit, youll have to put in that to break it. You have to make sure the kennel itself is not too big. If the kennel is to big with too much space, she will pee in it. Give her enough room to turn around and thats it. It is only for her to sleep in. She doesnt need room pace, only sleep. A trainer will tell him all of this. A trainor will tell you more though. Be prepared to train side by side. He has to teach you to train. The dog has to listen to you not him or her. Rewarding is very important, thats why its better to train with love because you can always show your excitement, you might not always have a treat. also your training her to want to please, the alpha. Anyone can give her treats, not your love. And always reward. Everytime. Persistence is key. If you do all those things you will have your dog trained to use the outside. Take it from 6 years in the dog field. Also, sometimes when you put her pups in her crate with her if you have one too big, that will stop her. She wont desecrate her puppies sleeping area. Train them all at the same time hell. Good luck!
Side note: rubbing the nose in it isnt very effective it makes them want to eat the poop so you dont see it. If you catch her in the act, immediately pop the nose (gently) to get her attention and make her cease, and immediately take her outside and make her stay out there for a while until you see her finish outside. Then reward her. Dogs do not remember anything after 3 minutes so its pointless to rub her nose in it. Shell think the poop itself is the issue. Hence eat it instead of realizing doing it in the house is the problem. And a stern disappointed tone of voice is key as well. Yelling scares. Find a tone that resembles a mothers growl to speak in. Low and warning.
Good luck to you!
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You are not intelligent enough, or have not been trained well enough to teach dogs. You should find another line of work.
All of the advice given is great advice. Training an adult dog house training is never easy especially when you have owned them from a pup!
I would really suggest also bell training her. Hang a bell on your doog and every time you put her outside, make her ring the bells by telling her to touch them and point at them (I thought my girl "touch" first and she touches anything I point at). This will give her a way to ask to go outside in time once she understands.
Good luck!
I would really suggest also bell training her. Hang a bell on your doog and every time you put her outside, make her ring the bells by telling her to touch them and point at them (I thought my girl "touch" first and she touches anything I point at). This will give her a way to ask to go outside in time once she understands.
Good luck!
I have in past used the new sorts of dog food with vegetables. I'm sure they are great for some dogs but ALL THREE OF MINE had loose stools all over the house day after day until I put two and two together. And having bms outside too. First in the morning and also after every meal.
Try lamb and rice mix dog food?
I'm sure you know not to distract in any way when they're sniffing, they're about to goooo.....ha anyway just be patient and let them concentrate.
I know it's a pain but I go out after meals with my dogs to see WHO ELIMINATES. I have to even stand in the yard with them or they won't all leave the porch. Good luck.
Try lamb and rice mix dog food?
I'm sure you know not to distract in any way when they're sniffing, they're about to goooo.....ha anyway just be patient and let them concentrate.
I know it's a pain but I go out after meals with my dogs to see WHO ELIMINATES. I have to even stand in the yard with them or they won't all leave the porch. Good luck.
Hi. Sorry but you have misinterpreted the thread ... this is not a puppy but a 13 month old adult dog ... with puppies. Tony
Puppies are so delightful and just not possible to resist. But we expect them not to peeing and pooing all over the dwelling. So here are some of tips you can use to set up to potty train your puppy:-
1. Understand that puppies needs to go to the bathroom a lot as a young puppy has a very small bladder, and they haven’t yet cultured the talent to control it. So keep it in mind this when it comes to potty training your puppy.
2. Establish yourself as the leader; this will help in earning your puppy’s respect, trust and admiration. And your puppy will star following all your potty training instructions.
3. Uphold a stringent schedule when you take your puppy out to go potty. Travel through the same door and use the same direction. With your awareness of your puppy’s peeing preferences, foresee when she’ll want to urine and bring her to the puppy bathroom.
4. Never forget to encourage your puppy every time she pees in the right spot. Thrash out your cheery, joyful voice and lavish her with adulation and praise. Your puppy now has an emotional ingenious to do her job in the right place.
Regards,
PetClubIndia
1. Understand that puppies needs to go to the bathroom a lot as a young puppy has a very small bladder, and they haven’t yet cultured the talent to control it. So keep it in mind this when it comes to potty training your puppy.
2. Establish yourself as the leader; this will help in earning your puppy’s respect, trust and admiration. And your puppy will star following all your potty training instructions.
3. Uphold a stringent schedule when you take your puppy out to go potty. Travel through the same door and use the same direction. With your awareness of your puppy’s peeing preferences, foresee when she’ll want to urine and bring her to the puppy bathroom.
4. Never forget to encourage your puppy every time she pees in the right spot. Thrash out your cheery, joyful voice and lavish her with adulation and praise. Your puppy now has an emotional ingenious to do her job in the right place.
Regards,
PetClubIndia
Okay. Let me know how things go. Come back to this thread if you need to and I'll respond. Good luck. Tony
i didn't mean to sound rude when i was writing, i do have patience. she was checked for parasites, she does not have fleas or mites or anything, she is wormed every three months, shes due a worming this month and i'll worm her and the puppies (special mom - the hair loss is due to pregnancy, i'm giving her omega tablets now, the baldness isn't getting any worse anymore)
tony, the puppies are only going to be 3 weeks on friday, they can't leave yet, shes with them all the time, thats why shes kept in the kitchen, for a while, when the puppies will leave she'll sleep in our bedroom, so i will be able to see if she needs to go during the night.. the puppies don't go to toilet on their own yet, they should start this week, i'm going to get puppy pads till they are walking properly, not wobbly, to be brought outside for few minutes
not feeding her in the evenings, works i think, she didn't have an accident this morning, so, what i'll do is, i will continue not feeding her in the evenings, and have an alarm to take her out during the night... so if that doesn't work then, i'll say it to the vet again when i'll go in there next time to get worming tablets
specialmom, i don't want to give her away, i really don't, if i bring her to the pet rescue, she'll just be stuck in a cage, who would want to adopt a dog, not a puppy.. and there were a lot of stories around here about dog fights, and how those people are looking for "free to go" or cheap dogs and puppies.. .so i don't know who'll she end up with, and i don't want her to go. yes my child is my first priority, but she doesn't interfere with that priority, if she was an agressive and snappy dog, then yes i wouldn't like to keep her, but shes friendly, theres no reason for her to go, i'll do my best at getting up with her during the nights so she doesn't have accidents..
tony, the puppies are only going to be 3 weeks on friday, they can't leave yet, shes with them all the time, thats why shes kept in the kitchen, for a while, when the puppies will leave she'll sleep in our bedroom, so i will be able to see if she needs to go during the night.. the puppies don't go to toilet on their own yet, they should start this week, i'm going to get puppy pads till they are walking properly, not wobbly, to be brought outside for few minutes
not feeding her in the evenings, works i think, she didn't have an accident this morning, so, what i'll do is, i will continue not feeding her in the evenings, and have an alarm to take her out during the night... so if that doesn't work then, i'll say it to the vet again when i'll go in there next time to get worming tablets
specialmom, i don't want to give her away, i really don't, if i bring her to the pet rescue, she'll just be stuck in a cage, who would want to adopt a dog, not a puppy.. and there were a lot of stories around here about dog fights, and how those people are looking for "free to go" or cheap dogs and puppies.. .so i don't know who'll she end up with, and i don't want her to go. yes my child is my first priority, but she doesn't interfere with that priority, if she was an agressive and snappy dog, then yes i wouldn't like to keep her, but shes friendly, theres no reason for her to go, i'll do my best at getting up with her during the nights so she doesn't have accidents..
You are receiving a lot if good advice but training is now complicated with her having a litter and being in the kitchen. It might better to put up a tall security gate rather than closing the door, if that is possible, and let her out often as I assume she is consuming more food and drinking more while nursing.
What food are you feeding?
Yes, you should get a good wormer from the Vet. Might not be a bad idea to take in stool samples to be checked, on Mom too.
Your training may have to wait until after these puppies are weaned and/or gone. You will have to start at the beginning again. For one. I would not let her have free run of the house or you have no control.
Since you are home, you might try tying her to you so you know what she is doing and can immediately correct any accidents. That means you give a firm NO!! And take her outside whether she has gone or not. When she does potty outside, praise and reward.
You might want to read up on NILF dog training.
Agree with Tony, would still get blood and urine and stool checked.
You don't see or smell any discharge since she whelped, do you?
What food are you feeding?
Yes, you should get a good wormer from the Vet. Might not be a bad idea to take in stool samples to be checked, on Mom too.
Your training may have to wait until after these puppies are weaned and/or gone. You will have to start at the beginning again. For one. I would not let her have free run of the house or you have no control.
Since you are home, you might try tying her to you so you know what she is doing and can immediately correct any accidents. That means you give a firm NO!! And take her outside whether she has gone or not. When she does potty outside, praise and reward.
You might want to read up on NILF dog training.
Agree with Tony, would still get blood and urine and stool checked.
You don't see or smell any discharge since she whelped, do you?
Hi. I am delighted to read you are getting lots of supportive comments and good advice here. Soak it up and use it well. All I want to add is that housetraining an adult dog is achievable, so please keep to the priorities and things will be okay ... vet first, get the bloodwork done, then we can get started. I'm happy to guide you through it, if that's what you want, or feel free to get a behaviorist in, if that's a route you prefer. This is more complicated with the pups, but not impossible, so feel reassured. Let's make sure mum is healthy first though. Tony
You take a lot of "advice" very gracefully, good for you. I hope you have the same patience with your dogs - it appears you do.
The only thing I can add, or maybe repeat my memory isn't good enough to recall all I have read in this thread, consider taking your problem female to the vet, get her spayed (as soon as possible, given her recent delivery). I think she will return (right?) to normal and/or easier to re-train when she isn't pressured by puppies/motherhood.
Boy it is expensive having pets, I'll not disclose details on the lack of vetrenary care dogs I have had as a child and even as an adult, but I can say they lived long lives - guess they were mostly just healthy. We did lose one at a young age due to being hit by a car, and I think that dog was put to "sleep" because my parents couldn't afford to treat. I still miss that dog, and he was hit because he was running around the streets with me after dark. My point? MommyPaws I'm Pulling For You, God Bless..
The only thing I can add, or maybe repeat my memory isn't good enough to recall all I have read in this thread, consider taking your problem female to the vet, get her spayed (as soon as possible, given her recent delivery). I think she will return (right?) to normal and/or easier to re-train when she isn't pressured by puppies/motherhood.
Boy it is expensive having pets, I'll not disclose details on the lack of vetrenary care dogs I have had as a child and even as an adult, but I can say they lived long lives - guess they were mostly just healthy. We did lose one at a young age due to being hit by a car, and I think that dog was put to "sleep" because my parents couldn't afford to treat. I still miss that dog, and he was hit because he was running around the streets with me after dark. My point? MommyPaws I'm Pulling For You, God Bless..
By the way, did you ever find out what was causing your dog to lose hair in lots of patches?
Oh, sorry. speaking of the pups. They also need vet checked. A vet should deworm them as well which is standard puppy procedure and they are getting ready to need their first set of vaccines.
When you take the pups, take this dog and discuss the bowel issues to have the mother given a full check to see if anything medically is going on. good luck
When you take the pups, take this dog and discuss the bowel issues to have the mother given a full check to see if anything medically is going on. good luck
I do think that some good advice had been given. You have to go back to treating her like she is brand new to you. Supervise at all times, set your alarm and take her out at night (I have a puppy that I get up at night for currently as she is young and small and can't go all night), etc. But that she is having such nighttime accidents is not the norm. I think you do indeed need to make sure there isn't a medical problem. Your dog could have worms, parasites, etc. Especially if she has been living outside for a while. And the thing with parasites is that one stool sample is usually not enough to determine if they are present. You also mention in a previous post that you are feeding her puppy formula which was causing loose stool. THIS is the time for patience. How are you handling potty situations with the pups? Paper training? This dog is typically with them, I'm sure.
You also mention something that you need to investigate with a professional dog trainer. That she was going in her crate is not the norm from what I understand. By nature, dogs are clean creatures. They do not like to live with their potty stuff. They avoid going where they sleep. So she was either in the crate long periods of time, was a dog that is from a puppy mill type of situation and has some emotional problems. It's best to address this with a professional dog trainer. In the states, these are easy to find. Every vet has people they can recommend as well as places that are pet stores have inexpensive classes in which you can work with a trainer. Please consider this.
And I also made comments regarding your being overwhelmed for dogs at this point. On a web site, you only have what someone writes to go by and that is certainly how it appears from your own words. I'm a mother too and have two kids very close in age. our dog passed away when our sons were 1 and 2 and I really wanted another one. BUT, we did not get one then because I realized my priority was my kids and I didn't have the time for a pup. We waited until my youngest was 5. Now three years later, we have another one. Because it takes a huge amount of time to train a dog. And just being home doesn't really do the job. You have to really supervise and monitor them and that is hard when you are otherwise preoccupied or not into the job.
With our new pup, she is actually doing pretty well with potty training. it was a combination of a few things. CONSTANT supervision -- the times in which she tried to go in the house, I was right there and scooped her up took her outside where when she finished going, I could give her praise. Watching for her signs that she needed to go. She gets a little wild and then starts sniffing around. My kids know the signs too and will say she needs to go out if she does that. And then when she goes outside, the praise is huge. She's finally getting it. We have bells on our back door and she will ring the bells now to go out. I wouldn't say I trust her--- but we are on our way. But it was pretty much constant following her around for a few weeks. And at night, she is in her crate. At the very least, you could tie her to something close to her bed so she can't wander off. And get up with her at night if you have to for a bit. Clean where she's gone with vinegar and water to get rid of the odor that she's picking up too.
But I do think sometimes knowing our limitations is good. That's all. You sound overwhelmed and like this isn't a good situation for the dog or you. And that there are puppies as well, that worries me.
good luck
You also mention something that you need to investigate with a professional dog trainer. That she was going in her crate is not the norm from what I understand. By nature, dogs are clean creatures. They do not like to live with their potty stuff. They avoid going where they sleep. So she was either in the crate long periods of time, was a dog that is from a puppy mill type of situation and has some emotional problems. It's best to address this with a professional dog trainer. In the states, these are easy to find. Every vet has people they can recommend as well as places that are pet stores have inexpensive classes in which you can work with a trainer. Please consider this.
And I also made comments regarding your being overwhelmed for dogs at this point. On a web site, you only have what someone writes to go by and that is certainly how it appears from your own words. I'm a mother too and have two kids very close in age. our dog passed away when our sons were 1 and 2 and I really wanted another one. BUT, we did not get one then because I realized my priority was my kids and I didn't have the time for a pup. We waited until my youngest was 5. Now three years later, we have another one. Because it takes a huge amount of time to train a dog. And just being home doesn't really do the job. You have to really supervise and monitor them and that is hard when you are otherwise preoccupied or not into the job.
With our new pup, she is actually doing pretty well with potty training. it was a combination of a few things. CONSTANT supervision -- the times in which she tried to go in the house, I was right there and scooped her up took her outside where when she finished going, I could give her praise. Watching for her signs that she needed to go. She gets a little wild and then starts sniffing around. My kids know the signs too and will say she needs to go out if she does that. And then when she goes outside, the praise is huge. She's finally getting it. We have bells on our back door and she will ring the bells now to go out. I wouldn't say I trust her--- but we are on our way. But it was pretty much constant following her around for a few weeks. And at night, she is in her crate. At the very least, you could tie her to something close to her bed so she can't wander off. And get up with her at night if you have to for a bit. Clean where she's gone with vinegar and water to get rid of the odor that she's picking up too.
But I do think sometimes knowing our limitations is good. That's all. You sound overwhelmed and like this isn't a good situation for the dog or you. And that there are puppies as well, that worries me.
good luck
Typo error there ... it should have read "because how would you know without her having a blood test?"
Typing too fast on a sticky keyed keyboard.
I was also going to ask, what happened to the pups? Are they still with mother or have they left her? How old were they when they left? This could also have an impact, particularly if mum has become anxious about them or is worn out from caring for them?
Tony
Typing too fast on a sticky keyed keyboard.
I was also going to ask, what happened to the pups? Are they still with mother or have they left her? How old were they when they left? This could also have an impact, particularly if mum has become anxious about them or is worn out from caring for them?
Tony
Hi. Unfortunately, you cannot say she has no infections, because how would you know with her having a blood test? She DOES have symptoms ... urinating and defecating without control are potential symptoms of an infection. The fact she had puppies recently could also point towards an infection or trauma to the urethra and or the bowel area.
My point is, we need to discount a physical issue before we begin any re-training. So, first priority, get her back to the vet and get bloodwork done. I know this may seem like an unnecessary expense, but it's vital to get this aspect sorted and (hopefully) resolved, otherwise any effort put into training will be ineffective, because a dog with a physical issue cannot control their bladder/bowels regardless of training.
Once you have the bloodwork done and have the results, please come back and we can go from there. Tony
My point is, we need to discount a physical issue before we begin any re-training. So, first priority, get her back to the vet and get bloodwork done. I know this may seem like an unnecessary expense, but it's vital to get this aspect sorted and (hopefully) resolved, otherwise any effort put into training will be ineffective, because a dog with a physical issue cannot control their bladder/bowels regardless of training.
Once you have the bloodwork done and have the results, please come back and we can go from there. Tony
she was at the vet almost 3 weeks ago, there was no blood test, but she doesn't have any signs with bowel or bladder infections
i'm home all day, i'm not working, i have time to spend with her and do what you can tell me to do..
she is mostly in the kitchen now, as you can see from above answers she had puppies recently, so we keep the kitchen door closed so that shes with puppies all the time, before she had the puppies she slept with us in the bedroom and walked around the house where she wanted... we spend a lot of time in the kitchen as well, we're always here, shes only left alone at nights and when we leave the house
i read the site, and everything there i've tried
i'm home all day, i'm not working, i have time to spend with her and do what you can tell me to do..
she is mostly in the kitchen now, as you can see from above answers she had puppies recently, so we keep the kitchen door closed so that shes with puppies all the time, before she had the puppies she slept with us in the bedroom and walked around the house where she wanted... we spend a lot of time in the kitchen as well, we're always here, shes only left alone at nights and when we leave the house
i read the site, and everything there i've tried
I think I did give 'some' advice ... but I would really like to know when she was last at the vet (if not recent, then she needs to go to be properly examined) and exactly what investigations did the vet make? What were the blood test results (need the levels to make a judgement)?
Things need to be done in a logical order, otherwise an important physical problem could be missed, and that could mean this won't be resolved with re-training, no matter how much effort is put in.
I'm not saying you are an abusive, horrible owner ... but I do think your approach is borne out of frustration, which is not the dog's fault. Have you read the other advice I gave, which was to go to the page about re-training a puppy?
Also, how long are you at home with the dog? All day? Part of the day? How long is the dog left alone? Where does she sleep? Does she have a separate room in your home or does she sleep in the kitchen, hall, sitting room, etc.?
Perhaps you would get back on the questions I have asked and we can carry on from there. Tony
Things need to be done in a logical order, otherwise an important physical problem could be missed, and that could mean this won't be resolved with re-training, no matter how much effort is put in.
I'm not saying you are an abusive, horrible owner ... but I do think your approach is borne out of frustration, which is not the dog's fault. Have you read the other advice I gave, which was to go to the page about re-training a puppy?
Also, how long are you at home with the dog? All day? Part of the day? How long is the dog left alone? Where does she sleep? Does she have a separate room in your home or does she sleep in the kitchen, hall, sitting room, etc.?
Perhaps you would get back on the questions I have asked and we can carry on from there. Tony
tony, you just said things that you don't understand, but didn't give me any advices... by kicking her out i meant she lived in the back garden for few months with a dog house and bed provided, by slapping her, i actually mean a slight slap, not abusevely beat up the dog.. you told me all those things don't work..then tell me what DOES work, please..
she was at the vets, theres nothing wrong with her..
i wwill not use the crate again, because that would not just get the floor dirty but will get her dirty all over aswell, i'd rather just clean the floor than give her baths everyday, which is not good for dogs.
i am not going to give her away, i'm not just going to give her away because things are hard, i love my dog, i just want her to be able to hold it in and go to toilet outside, and i'm asking for advices what to do.. not asking for your opinion of whether i should get rid of her or not.
if pointing at it, or slapping, or bringing her outside every 3-4 doesn't work..what CAN i do??
don't make me out to be this abusive, horrible owner :(
she was at the vets, theres nothing wrong with her..
i wwill not use the crate again, because that would not just get the floor dirty but will get her dirty all over aswell, i'd rather just clean the floor than give her baths everyday, which is not good for dogs.
i am not going to give her away, i'm not just going to give her away because things are hard, i love my dog, i just want her to be able to hold it in and go to toilet outside, and i'm asking for advices what to do.. not asking for your opinion of whether i should get rid of her or not.
if pointing at it, or slapping, or bringing her outside every 3-4 doesn't work..what CAN i do??
don't make me out to be this abusive, horrible owner :(
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Dogs/newborn-puppies/show/2088540#post_9910319
I'm just wondering how things are also going for these very young puppies?
I'm just wondering how things are also going for these very young puppies?
Agree with Tony's post, well said.
This obviously is not working out well for you or the dog. Having a young child is stressful enough and maybe this is just not a good time to have a dog. I donated a Golden I had years ago to Guiding Eyes. I had 3 small children and the dog was to big and I just did not have the time for her. I realized this was not good for the dog either.
Maybe you should step back and realize that this just may be too much fir you right now. I would wait until your child is older then perhaps getting a dog.
Probably the best thing you can do now, as hard as it might be, is to contact a Rescue or the SPCA and try to find a new home for the dog. It would be better for you right now and the dog.
This obviously is not working out well for you or the dog. Having a young child is stressful enough and maybe this is just not a good time to have a dog. I donated a Golden I had years ago to Guiding Eyes. I had 3 small children and the dog was to big and I just did not have the time for her. I realized this was not good for the dog either.
Maybe you should step back and realize that this just may be too much fir you right now. I would wait until your child is older then perhaps getting a dog.
Probably the best thing you can do now, as hard as it might be, is to contact a Rescue or the SPCA and try to find a new home for the dog. It would be better for you right now and the dog.
I'm a little disturbed by this post especially after the one in which you said you were not a responsible dog owner and your one dog impregnated your lab. This must be that lab and that post coupled with this one makes me really nervous for the dogs in your home.
Sometimes knowing our limitations when it comes to children and pets is important for all involved. Perhaps adopting out this dog to a home in which they have time a patience to train her would be best for all (including you as you sound like you have your hands full.)
Sometimes knowing our limitations when it comes to children and pets is important for all involved. Perhaps adopting out this dog to a home in which they have time a patience to train her would be best for all (including you as you sound like you have your hands full.)
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