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AGP International House Of Pregos and TTCers

Yes, we have now added Pregos as our other Featured Items (Heather Jo, Lexima), but still have TTCers going strong to become Pregos. As always, pancakes, coffee, companionship, advice, and friendship served fresh 24/7!!!
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126702 tn?1240888250
detour - follies commune
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ohhh i am here - is it my turn to start a new thread.
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Fiona-- C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S! ! ! ! ! Drink like the Irish now, honey (wink, wink)! Time is ticking away now! I am so glad things are going smoothly. How long do you medicate to produce follicles on an IVF cycle?

Helen--You guys can start a commune :-)
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294043 tn?1354207946
Congrats!!!  The wait is almost over for you.
We can finally start populating that village!

Helen
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what a stressful afternoon!!   i only just got my b/w results.  had to call re's office 10 times - they're short staffed today.  so my e2 was 25.3 and they were looking for it to be under 50.  i have to take b/c for one more day and then start meds on saturday.  thank you God.  I need a drink!  
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Heather, good to hear you sounding more upbeat!  And yes, you're right... my retrieval will be about the same time as Helen's and yes, I AM looking forward to the anasthesia!! ;-)
Helen, you're right about considering yourself lucky to have a job that does not require you sitting but I hate to tell you this... much as mine DOES require me to sit, I never had a problem with that.  What I had a problem with was getting into bed!!! I guess it's that as I get in I put pressure on the side of my bum and it was the sides that were a bit sore.  In fact my bum ended up quite lumpy!!  But this is not to scare you... that was the first time when the pharmacist was doing the shots for me.  But when my DH did them... no lumpiness!  And I was told that a trick to avoid the lumpiness was to massage the spot of the shot quite vigorously afterwards.  Seemed to work.
Dee, thought I'd leave you the honour of starting the new post!
...errr... but come to think of it... I should have checked to see if it hadn't already been started!  Will do that now.
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Fiona,
I got a message from SDteacher and she basically confirmed what Magda said earlier, you should expect more follies as you start your Gonal-F.

Lisa,
sorry about loosing your posts.  I hate when that happens.  My internet connection can be iffy at times so when I have a lot to say I just type my post in Microsoft Word and then paste it on the forum.  That way I do not loose anything (which drives me out of my mind!!!)

Heather,
I am glad you are feeling better.  I hope the weather cooperates although TX humidity is inevitable fact of life here in the spring (and summer and fall) :(

I want to thank everyone about their reassurance regarding side-effects of injectables.  I actually had no fear of those since I never had any side-effects with other prescription drugs including clomid (although many people on this forum complain about it).  I do know that some women report uncomfortable side-effects like weight gain and moodiness and was hoping that was not Lisa's case.  I am also glad that injections themselves don’t seem to be a big deal.  However, I will be doing progesterone in oil shots after transfer and those are actually uncomfortable  :(  
Luckily, my job does not require sitting on my butt  :)
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Lisa--I'm sorry you are getting cranky--that totally happenned to me. Remember, I was feeling fiesty and also lost it with my MIL? I hope you do not become as uncontrollably irritated as I was, but you are probably a more patient person at heart, so I doubt you will start any brawls the way I did! When do you go in for another u/s to see how the follistim is working?

Helen--As stated above, the main side effect I had on injections was crankiness, and also some bloating and major O pain b/c of all the follies. Every fertility med I have taken makes me tired also, but maybe that is just me. It is indeed different for everyone, though. How much longer do you have to be on b/c?

Fiona--It looks like you are off to a running start with several follies present before even starting your gonal-f. I think gonal-f and follistim are virtually the same medication, I was only taking 75 units and it helped me produce 6 mature follicles, when normally or even on Clomid I only produced one. So, hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised at how many lil' eggies come about :-)

Magda (a.k.a. The Follicle Queen!)--I am very lost as to where you are in your protocol--are you having your retrieval around the same time as Helen (beginning of April)? All I can remember is that you are looking forward to the anesthesia:-)

As for me, today is probably the first day since a few days after my IUI (Feb. 6) that I actually feel halfway decent!!!! I woke up with more energy, no queasyness, and--best of all--no migraine! My sciatic pain is totally gone also. It seems I have felt the worst when we have had cold fronts coming through. A couple of weeks ago we had one, and then last night. All the wind makes my sinuses irritated (not helping the headaches) and the warm, humid weather is just plain uncomfortable, as my body temp seems to feel perpetually high. SO, today is a good day--so far. I am trying to stay level-headed until my first sonogram and not worry about things I cannot control. I am also laying low on the general forum.

Lexima,Mary, if you read this we miss and love you both:-)

Empty/Everyone--I think we need a new post! I started the last 2, and Dee, you mentioned wanting to start the next one, so I will wait and see who does it this time. I think we start losing posts (ahem--Lisa) when the thread gets long.
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Fiona,  I was saying earlier about my over 30 follicles... when I started Menogan which is the equivalent of the Gonal-F I guess, I was going in for u/s every other day or so.  I remember the first u/s, my doc counted about 6 follies in one ovary and 7 in the other... the next u/s there were more and the next he stopped counting at 30.  
At the start I was worried because I knew that not all the follicles would be usable and when he said it was okay because we still had many days of the Menogan to go, all I could think was, "But anything that starts now is going to be too small by the time the ones that are already around are the right size".  But apparently it doesn't work that way.

Helen, the shots are fine... really.  I mean, I don't know if some people do have side effects but I was fine with all of them.  The progesterone ones were a touch painful because mine were the oil-based ones (I think there's another type too) and so it's very thick.  But even those were so not a big deal.
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Thanks Helen, appreciate the info.  I've alway had problems producing follicles.  Never had any more than 7.  I'm just hoping to produce more so that I increase my chances.
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First, I am glad you don't have to deal with cysts this cycle.  

This is what I found on the web about Gonal-F:

Gonal–f® is a highly pure, recombinant form of human follicle stimulating hormone (rFSH), which is the hormone responsible for stimulating the production of egg-containing follicles in women and sperm in men.  If you are undergoing OI or ART, Gonal–f® may be used to supplement or replace naturally-occurring FSH and help you produce eggs.

So, it looks like from the label description that Gonal-F should help you produce more eggs.  I repeated your question to SDteacher in a PM.  I'll let you know what she says.  It's her second ivf and she has more info about this than we do.  Lexima should also know the answer since she was doing injectables for so long but she is unfortunately MIA.  If I recall correctly, the # of follies increased for her when she started her injections and quite significantly this last time.  You should look back at her old posts since she was reporting regularly all the numbers and  sizes.

Let us know the results of your b/w!!!
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Lisa, I have to wait until the b/w results but if everything goes well I'll start gonal f on Friday.

I have to admit that I always hesitate too before the big poke!  I'm going to have dh give me some of the shots this time.  He needs the pratice before the trigger and progestrone shots which are given in the hip.  

What day are you on and what are you taking?
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Fiona,  I'm really glad no cysts this time.   Hallelujia!!!!    I'm not familiar with IVF protocol, but it would make sense that once you start meds your follies will increase.  I'm sure that is the goal with the meds you'll be taking to get those follies producing. What will you be starting and when?    

Yes, the shots are a breeze, yet I hesitate and sort of the dread the initial "poke" each time, even though it is virtually painless.  Guess I'm just a big wuss.  
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Just got back from u/s and b/w.  No cysts, thank God.  I was very nervous about that.  Waiting for b/w results, should have by early afternoon.  Question for you ladies.  There was only 5 resting follicles.  Will I produce more when I start taking the meds or is that it?

Helen, shots are a breeze so try not to worry about them.  I've have no side effects to speak of from the meds.
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Well, I've typed you all well thought out messages twice now and each time I lose them before I can post.  My d(*& computer is aggravating me.  I can't seem to figure out what it is I touch while typing that makes me lose messages, but it happens all to frequently.  

I was just finishing up with answering Helen's question about side effects from the injections.  The one main affect is my patience is short, I become aggitated much more easily as is evident by my surpreme irration at my computer right now.  And, hold onto your seat this may be tmi, but my libido is MUCH increased.    

I'm not up to retyping the full messages a third time, but just know I am thinking of you all.   Heather, I'm very happy your pg is progressing well.  Dee I hope your parents are spoiling you.  Fiona, Please keep us updated on how your suppression goes.  Helen, will dh be going with you to your injection class?  Will he be helping with the injections?
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HeathJo,
I am glad that your symptoms are growing since that means your HCG is going up!  It's a good news although it may not feel like it  :)

Fiona,
I know that your suppression test is on Monday or Tuesday.  I hope you get cleared and can start injections some time this week.  

Lisa,
I bet you are a pro of injections  by now.  Is it becoming routine?  I hope your panic attacks are gone and you are feeling better.  Do you have any side-effects?  Mary seemed to have none but everyone reacts to fertility meds differently.  

Nothing new with me. Waiting for my shot lesson on Thursday and some additional info.  My ivf meds should also arrive on Thursday.  So, I am still waiting....
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Dee--I probably WAS sleeping--I seem to be only awake for very brief periods of time! I forgot you were in Singapore. What is it like there?

Lisa--I am so glad I am ot the only one who blew up a car! I did the exact same thing, ignoring the oil light. In the Txas summer heat, it is really not a good thing to do!

I know I have a couple more weeks before morning sickness kicks in, if at all. I am also very surprised at how tired I am, the horrid headaches, the painful/burning bbs, and other unmentionables. In terms of the sciatic pain, apparently as your ligaments stretch to accomodate your growing uterus, the muscles connecting to the sacrum, pelvis and pubic bone get stretched and sore. I am predisposed to muscle spasm, so this is what is supposedly causing that burning pain. It luckily does come in waves, and it passed aftee about 24 hours. I hope it stays away! Just this morning my sense of smell seems to have amplified itself by 500%, and I get a bit queasy from time to time. Maybe because I am old, or have such high HCG numbers this is why I am feeling so much so early. Anway, I am glad the ijections are going OK. I found them a bit difficult to administer also, but luckily I had some fat on my belly to help! You probably don't have that cushion, as skinny as you are, so I hope it's not too painful.
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LOL.  Dee you are so very funny!!!!    

Heather, I'm sorry about your sleep disturbances and sciatic pain.  I know sciatic pain is very common in pregnancy.  I didn't think it started that early though.  I don't recall if I mentioned to you that both my sisters said they didn't feel any preggo symptoms until about 8 - 10 weeks into their pregnancies.  They had 10 pgs among the two of them and this was a fairly consitent patter with them all.  Everyone is different. But, you may have a few weeks to go before the morning sickness really kicks in.  Something to really look forward to!  I know I am just chomping at the bit to have my head in the toilet. (-:

Did my 1st injection last night.  I was actually really scared!  I sat there for a minute or two with the needle near my belly saying to myself "Oh, I can't do it". Then of course I did and it was like, "OK.  No biggie.".    I did wake up twice with panick attacks though.  So, now I'm thinking this is going to be a bumpy 2 weeks.  Hormones F&%# with us so much!!

Oh Heather, one more thing we have in common.  I too blew up my 1st car when I was 16 by forgetting to put oil in it!   I saw the oil light on and I kept saying, "Oh, next time I drive I'll remember to do that.".  Loddy, doddy daaaa.....driving away...another day goes buy.  "Oh, tomorrow I'll get that oil."  Loddy doddy daaa...driving way...day after day this went on, until finally, my car could no longer go on.  I LOVED that car.  A Datsun B210, Midnight blue, with blinkers that made this lovely clicking sound that was very soothing to me.  (-:
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Hi  Heather

Hope youre asleep now - i dont like my chances though! its 6.30pm Sat here in Singapore and I am about to duck out for dinner with family on my mums side.

I am sorry about your pain - do heat packs help? Also if you ever need to double check on medicines and side effects etc feel free to ask me - my sister is a pharmacist and I can always run it past her.

Thanks for the rain dance - i am going to need all the help I can get. My blood test is in a week. I fly home to Melbourne in 5 days.

You are feeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllinggggggggggggggggggg sssslllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...........................
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Helen--HOORAY! I'm glad you got the official word on your new(est) position. It's always validating to interview and then receive a job offer. I'm proud of you, and hope this helps distract you enough to keep your tummy from being upset :-(

Empty--what were the results of your b/w, or do you know yet?

Lisa--You poor thing. . .I am glad your car didn't break down, though, as that can be costly. I can honestly say I have never, ever run out of gas. Miracle of miracles, I seem to have forgotten to change my oil before, however, and blew up my first car when I was 16! Luckily it was an old brown Mazda GLC hatchback. I called it the Roach Coach due to the color. I was kind of glad when it broke down!

As you can see, I am keeping odd hours again. I seem to get tired/ill around 3-5 pm every day and just either sit in the dark or sleep until late at night. Today it was a migraine and HORRIBLE pain from lower back down my leg--sciatic nerve. I don't even have morning sickness yet and I am totally useless :-D Thank God my dh is so supportive.

That's about all going on here. No more doctor drama. And, I am doing Native American Raining Egg dances in my spare time for all of you guys!
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Yes, Dee I was so consumed with this appt. I didn't notice my little gas light went on!  I thought I saw it go on about a mile before I got to the clinic.  Well, usually that means I have like 30 miles more to go.  But, I only went a mile or 2 before running out.  Well,  I haven't told the staff at work that the break down was being out of gas!  Come Monday, I'll be red faced for sure.  Boy, no matter how hard I try to live down blond jokes, I just end up proving their is some validity.  
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Helen congrats - the worries that come with TTC & money is just something that all of us worry so much about and I am glad to hear you got your second job. Now make sure you dont overdo it and rest when you can.

Guys - after reading through Helens protocol, I feel like my clinic is using the same basis such as the Lupron for 2 weeks the Gonal F for a week and then the Ovidrel. Its just that I do the IUI. of course as well all know my first step is not working so fingers crossed I can still use this cycle.

Lisa - OMG. You must have been horrified esp after the meeting about the days you needed off. You must have been just so eager to get to your u/s and get your injectables. I know that when I got to my appts,  I drive like a woman posessed (hehehe). Let me know how you go with injecting yourself - are you doing stomach?
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Yes ladies the IVF club is sure to populate at least a village or two.  Wow!  450mg of Gonul-F!  I can't believe it.  Now I'm less worried about the side effects of my measly 175 mg. of Follistim.  They did up the dose from 125 to 175.  Not sure the reason, but not complaining about it.  The more the merrier I say.  

Helen, Congratulations on the job!  That is terrific.  Yes, every little bit helps.  I'll be teaching a short 2 week summer school class myself at the end of June.  It won't be much, but enough to help me take a small little vacation this summer which I wouldn't be able to finance without the additional funds.  

My appt. today was really good.  Boy, I am just SOOOO amazed at how simple, quick and painless an u/s can be.  I don't know what I'm going to do when I get pregnant and will then have to go to my OB's office for monthly u/s's.

I'll be watching the DVD on injectables tonight and giving myself the first shot.  A little nervous about side effects.  But, just a little.  Heather and Milana survived.  Mary survived.  Fiona, oh poor Fiona you've had to survive this type of thing many times over. Magday too, you've done injectables for you IVF cycles and you're still kickin' strong!  So, I am in good company.  

I'm actually taking the entire day off today instead of just the morning.  I am so embarrased.  My car broke down on my way home from the clinic which didn't leave me enough time to get to school to relieve the sub.  I didnt have any plans written out for her for the remainder of the day.  I hope they all survive.  I am embarrased becuase I didn't actually break down, but I ran out of gas!!  I thought I broke down, but when the tow truck driver came, it ended up being just an empty tank of gas!  I have never run out of gas before, least not since I was about 17 yrs old.  Very embarrasing to now tell my staff at work,  Oops.  I just didn't put gas in my car.  "My bad!"  

Dee, Dee, Dee, I so hope you O, and your progesterone gets into gear and gets moving!!
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Magda,
Here's my protocol as I understand it.  I will be on b/c for 21 days.  About 5 days before AF shows I will start Lupron injections.  Then, after about 2 weeks of Lupron I will add sitms (Gonal-F and Menopur).  After about 10 days of that I'll get the trigger and go for retrieval followed by transfer.  A lot of this depends on my b/w and u/s results as well.

I thought that an HCG shot while you are on a pill is kind of strange but i am sure there is a reason for that.

Like I said before, you, me, Fiona and Mary are all on very different protocols.  Lets hope that they all work this time!!!

Fiona,
lets make it our goal: to populate an Irish-Ukrainian village!  
Of course Margda who is able to produce 30 follies can populate a village all by herself  :)  
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