Protected oral sex vs Rubbing

[Shearer77]

hi doctors, I am very worried and will appreciate if there is any kind advice on which risk is higher for hiv:-

Protected oral sex or

A massage lady with only her panty on, rubbed her *** against my penis ( I had only my underwear on, and I was sleeping on a bed)

And she had left some fluids on my underwear during the rub, as her panty was quite damp..and I have sores before this exposure. I could feel her heat from the rubbing. was wondering if this incident will result in any potential risk for hiv or is it considered an exposure?

Lastly, Which will be of higher risk for hiv- Protected oral sex or rubbing?

thanks very much docs...v worried

[Shearer77]

tx doc, how about any risk exposure for other stds from rubbing?

[Edward W Hook, MD]

As I said, rubbing of the sort you describe is not associated with risk for HIV. You are not at risk.  EWH

[Shearer77]

are there any positive hiv cases of rubbing/ grinding of vagina/ *** onto penis (both in undergarments)? or any similar that you have seen turn out to be positive? many tx doc!!

[Shearer77]

Not too concerned about the protected oral sex but more concern on the massage with rubbing..

[Shearer77]

Thanks Doc, really appeciate your kind comments.

How about if I have sores on my penis before the massage (rubbing), and I am unsure if there is any penetration from the rubbing as both of us were in our undergarment? as she actually sat on my penis while rubbing her *** onto my penis...with me in sleeping position facing her.  Will this increase the risk of exposure?

[Edward W Hook, MD]

Welcome to our Forum.  As you have been told repeatedly, neither of the sorts of exposures you describe is associated with risk for HIV.

HIV is not spread by rubbing of genitals, particularly if clothing remains on.  The virus must be transmitted by penetrative sex.  Not rubbing.  This is true even if genital secretions from your partner got on you or either of your clothes got wet with genital secretions.  Still no risk.  

Similarly, there is no risk for HIV associated with receipt of oral sex while wearing a condom.  The quoted figure for HIV risk, if one has unprotected oral sex with an infected partner is less than 1 in 10,000 and, in my estimation that is too high. Some experts state there is no risk at all from oral sex.  Neither of us on this site have ever seen or reading the medical literature of a convincing instance in which HIV was passed by oral sex.  In your case the oral sex was condom protected.

Thus, even if your partner had HIV and this is statistically unlikely, neither of the exposures you describe place you at risk for HIV.  You have no reason for concern or for testing.  EWH

[Shearer77]

hi, will appreciate for any kind advices. :)

[Shearer77]

not sure if virgina or *** though

[Shearer77]

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