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I had unprotected Oral sex giving and receiving with a female I knew only a short while. I also fingered her. I had a day old cracked cuticle which was sore and red but no blood.  
5 Days later I got a sore throat but I did smoke a pack and a half the day before due to some anxity . A few days later the sore throat was gone but my tonsils on the left side felt a little sore I noticed a couple of white bumps on them as well. The soreness moved from the left to the right but not at the same time I developed a lump in my throat which bothered me when I swallowed Over the next couple of weeks I felt A shooting pain in my right armpit  When I tried to check my armpit glands I felt nothing but the day after I had some muscle strain starting at the pectoral to the middle below the armpit. It went away and moved to the other side a few days later. About a month after the exposure I started to get some diarrhea for about 4 days. felt a twinge of pain in my groin which went away in a few days ,also started to feel ill after I ate for about an hour, lost some weight. went camping right after that, it was hot about 102 outside, had a hard time cooling down maybe selpt for a couple of hours and woke up feeling feverish, nauseated, sore knees. felt better the next day No more fever No chills at all and no rash. Then I started to take a product called primal defense . Ive taken it before its got quite a healing crisis and will make you feel bad for a while. After about  2 days after having a fever and starting this product I had 2 swollen glands in my neck    a little over 1 cm(I know they were swollen there really tiny now) which I had checked by a doctor he said It was no cause for concern and said that the glands under my jaw were a little swollen but didn't think the ones on my neck were. he did not check my groin or armpits Stayed swollen for about a week and a half then subsided. I thought this was a very low risk situation so I selpt with my wife a week after the exposure.
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239123 tn?1267651214
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
For several reasons, HIV is extremely unlikely.  1) Oral sex is low risk for HIV transmission. 2) Genital to hand transmission is not known to occur, even with cracked cuticles.  3) Statistically speaking, it is unlikely your oral sex partner had HIV.  4) Although some of the symptoms you describe (but not all) conceivably could be due to primary HIV infection, other garden variety viral infections are far more common causes of the same symptoms.  5) Your own doctor has told you there is no cause for alarm.  All in all, the chance you have HIV is microscopically small.

But the way to know for sure that you don't have HIV is to be tested.  Your story doesn't make clear how much time has passed, but a standard antibody test anytime 4 weeks or more after the event will be highly reassuring, and a negative test at 6 weeks will be 100% assurance.

Continue to follow up with your own provider if your symptoms persist or you otherwise remain concerned.

Good luck--  HHH, MD

By the way, the purpose for the MedHelp word limits is to force questions to be asked in the original space provided. On some forums, the moderator programs his or her response page so s/he doesn't even see any follow-up comments.  But anyway, the additional information doesn't change my opinion or my advice.  
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Sorry ran out of room. none of the symptoms were really at the same time and I had a whole lot of anxiety durring this time and I wonder if it could have excaserbated the symptoms, Id feel hot and sweaty duing a panic attack or I didn't feel pain in my armpits till i started poking around in them. I didn't have a fever for more then 8 hours and its been really hot here. Contact with her was fairly limited and she said she had no diseases. she was also married but she cheats on her husband (obviously) is my wife at risk?
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Can food posoning or alcohal abuse give you swollen glands?
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Just to be clear from what ive read now on the forums, with my type of exposure it looks like I would be the first to aquire hiv in this way?
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YES!!
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What type ? you mean the cuticle ? or the oral?
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Both I guess just judging from what ive read on this site, or that it's too rare to worry about. Ive also heard ars fever last longer than a day. does anybody have any information on that?
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According to lot of web sites and MD HHH, fever is the most common one and last up to 1 month... (not a day though)
Now the question is how high is it to be considered a fever... ( I think arounf 103 +)
BTW other ppl who know better can clarify this.
And Symptom is not the primary mean of telling. Let go of the symptom, otherwise you will be obsess like me and some others... (right now I am trying to forget about symptoms and just wait until the test time)
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Symptoms theres tons of them....!! dont worry about them...i guess if u get a rash...and a high fever and swollen lymph nodes..which i believe are the most common 3 i could see how u would worry a lil more plus a rash! but otherwise most other things like the doctor days are common with 100's of different things!
239123 tn?1267651214
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
Primal Defense is a probiotic, consisting of a kind of yeast intended to populate the intestine to help prevent certain health problems.  The extent of benefit for any condition is unknown.  But it absolutely will have no effect in preventing HIV.

Otherwise I have nothing to add to my original reply.  There is no point in continuing this thread.
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Im not sure about where the primal defense comment came up. I only mentioned it because I didn't notice the glands in my neck being slightly swollen till after I started taking it and My symptoms went away after being on it for a few days. I have IBS which now only bothers me intermitenly since Ive been taking it. Ive heard that it is really good irradicating virus bacteria, etc, and I wonder if it could have gotten rid of anything I might have picked up food posoning related and if this might have enlarged my glands a bit. I know it doesnt get rid of hiv. But a couple of quick questions then ill go away. If I had ars would I not definetly notice swollen glands(just 2 in my neck that i could notice, not very big though), and wouldn't my symptoms problably be present at the same time. Also i just recently spoke with the person in question and she said she has never had any thing and desnt now.  shes been with 6 people total and she's 30. The main question in my thread was that is this more of an axiety problem than anything else. This information is new to me as of today. and has subsided my fears, of course. how many people have been infected in this way. Blow job 5 min, cunnilingus 2 min fingering 1 min.
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monkeyflower, I was just interested in reading your paper on hiv anxiey. did you ever finish it?
79258 tn?1190634010
Sort of. It ultimately ended up being a research proposal on the efficacy of online support groups in moderating HIV/health anxiety. Not quite what I'd intended, but I definitely think it's a worthwhile subject. I might do something with it someday, but probably not anytime soon.
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Thank you for your reply.Can you help me out on the subject. I think what people are asking in regards to low risk behavor is even if it is so low why do we never hear any of the documented reports, in this forum or otherwise? Is its because they are deleted , or is it is  beacause they simple do not exist. I my self have only come across 1 where  a man was infected through insertive fellatio by means of receiving a bite on his penis and blood being present. Are these the only kind of extenuating circumstance that can warent that kind of fear. Or is it just kinda a craptshoot when it comes to oral sex?
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Given my risk do you recomend hiv testing?
79258 tn?1190634010
Of course they aren't deleted. What would be the point? You don't hear anything about them because there ARE no documented reports of anyone getting HIV through receiving a blowjob or from giving cunnilingus. Oral just isn't enough of a risk to worry about.

Of course you don't need testing, but given your level of anxiety, I'm sure you're going to feel the need to test in order to move on. However, I'm guessing you'll have difficulty accepting your negative results. Judging by your comments, I have a feeling you're fairly anxious in general. You don't have to live like this. I'd suggest you talk to your doctor about meds for your anxiety, and consider therapy.
239123 tn?1267651214
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In 3 years of doing this forum, not once has a person reported being positive after any exposure. Actually, it happened once a couple years ago, but it quickly became clear the person was lying about the positive result.

This thread is over.  I will delete the entire thing if you continue.  Feel free to take your concerns over to the HIV Support forum.
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