You never had an exposure for HIV. Mutual masturbation is not an HIV risk. In addition, your 10 week HIV negative test proves you are fine. ARS does not wait until 2 months post to happen. It usually onsets 2-4 weeks post. Not 8+ weeks.
If you want to test at 12 weeks for total peace of mind feel free. It is not warranted. Anxiety, and stress while self diagnosing yourself are extremely likely to be the culprit of your symptoms.
People don't realize how much anxiety and stress can TAX your immune system. The body is NOT designed to deal with all of that for a prolonged period.
You say mutual masturbation is not a risk, but they guy may have had some of her vaginal fluids on his hands when he fingered me. Me and the women also had unprotected oral sex, and he put fluids in my mouth. He told me they were mine, but I think he may have been confused or lying. If my symptoms started at 8 weeks then a 10 week antibody test may definitely be too soon to detect antibodies.
You SERIOUSLY need to read through the archives of this forum on oral sex and mutual masturbation and their NO RISK assessment.
Secondly, 90% of all new infections will show up on antibody test at 4 weeks. At 10 weeks about 99% would show positive.
Lastly, for argument sake, let's say your symptoms are from ARS at 8 weeks. Which will NEVER happen. Your 10 week NEGATIVE would have been POSITIVE!!!
If you want to test again at 12 weeks for your own peace of mind feel free. It is NOT warranted.
While I appreciate your comments, I am in the health field and oral sex is INDEED a risk of HIV. Anytime you come into contact with bodily fluids there is a risk. I am also informed about the window period and the uncertainty in timing between ARS and having detectable antibodies present. I am also aware of the fact that that 2-8 weeks is the range for ARS with very rare cases up to three months. I am very educated in my field and am looking for more reassurance from a health professional (nurse or doctor). Anybody can form "opinions" from various websites and postings.
So while I appreciate your comments, I am waiting for someone with a healthcare background to comment ie. nursegirl.
Thank you again for trying to help.
If you are so educated on HIV, oral sex and its risk(which is miniscule at best based on SCIENCE). Then what are you doing here? You should have been able to answer your own questions.
If you had looked into the archives like I suggested you would have found that Nursegirl WILL TELL YOU THE SAME AS I HAVE!!!
Furthermore, I DO NOT appreciate being accused of just coming in here and posting random thoughts off the top of my head. I may not be a doctor. However, I have done something you apparently have not done. RESEARCH!!! In addition, there are two DOCTORS from the expert forum with 30+ years in the HIV/AIDS field who ALSO say the same thing.
In study after study THOUSANDS of incidents of oral sex(many with ejaculation) NOT ONE NEW CASE OF INFECTION. In other studies the odds were LESS than 1 in 10,000 to TOO LOW TO QUANTIFY.
If you were so knowledgeable about HIV you would also know how fragile the virus is. Vaginal fluids exposed to the air damage the outer shell of the virus which inhibits infection. You should also know that HIV needs NEAR PERFECT CONDITIONS INSIDE THE BODY for infection to occur.
One other thought. If you know so much about HIV you SHOULD know that there are roughly 40-50 million people infected with HIV GLOBALLY! With 1.1-1.2million infected in the U.S. That is less than 1% of the U.S. population.
The odds either of the partners you had your NO RISK activities with are infected with HIV to begin with are HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!
1. I live in New Orleans which has the highest HIV rate among African Americans. You can look that up. Baton Rouge is #3 which is down the street. Should i say more?
2. I was in a swingers club. They have sex with people all the time. I doubt he was safe as he did not use a condom with the woman he was with. I thought they were a couple, but was later proven wrong.
3. I went through CLASSIC ARS symptoms at exactly 8 weeks.
4. Did I not tell you that fluid stayed in my mouth. I have sensitive gums (gingivitis) as do most adults although they may not know it.
5. The people studied regarding oral sex risks are usually serodiscordant couples on ART. It is hard to quantify the risks of oral sex as most people usually perform other risky activities during the time of infection.
6. If you researched the AVERAGE time for ARS is 2-6 weeks. It does and often has occurred at 8 weeks.
We don't need to debate.
You have IGNORED everything I just told you. IF you are in the healthcare field you should KNOW BETTER to diagnose HIV based on symptoms alone.
You IGNORED the fact that MANY others here in this forum INCLUDING Nursegirl will tell you as I did you had NO RISK!!
You IGNORED the fact that regardless of your supposed ARS symptoms that an antibody test at 10 weeks(two week PAST when you had your symptoms) negative is NOT going to change to positive in the next two weeks to make the benchmark 12 week point. Which is based on outdated information to begin with.
If you were performing oral on another woman you already had her vaginal secretions in your mouth. The fact that a guy put those same fluids in your mouth via his finger is NO DIFFERENT.
As a healthcare worker, supposedly informed on HIV, you should know that the mouth is NOT a known transmission route for HIV. There are over a dozen enzymes and proteins which inhibit the virus. Couple this with the fact that once exposed to the air the virus in already inhibited before even entering your mouth. Your gingivitis is a negligible factor here. As per the doctors in the expert forum, and most all of us volunteers in this forum. Not one case of infection has been reported based on what you describe in the 30+ years of the HIV epidemic.
Being in New Orleans may increase your odds of your partners being infected a little, but still very unlikely. Though there MAY be a few more people infected there, New Orleans has a much higher population that other places so the percentage of infected people will still be VERY LOW!!
You say we don't need to debate RIGHT AFTER directly putting all your talking points right back at me.
Bottom line!!! I stand by what I told you. You had a NO RISK incident. Your test results are CONCLUSIVELY negative. Nursegirl, Dr. Hook, Dr. Handsfield, Vance, HowardH, and many others will tell you the same thing. You need to move on.
Stupidgirl21 I value your knowledge and respect your opinion. However, your doubts on your negative results is not out of knowledge but anxiety. You may do well with support on the later. If in doubt then have another test at 12 weeks . I'd not satisfied at 6 months. In all these will be negative. I would humbly encourage you to accept the results and move on with your life.
HIV is a very weak virus that dies outside of the body. If somene put their finger inside you and took it out, the fluid is out in the air - thus meaning it would die.
recent studies suggest that there is no risk in oral sex or mutual masturation. Sound like something else or maybe anxiety as that can mimic ARS symptoms pretty well!!!
I was in bed for 2 full days with this "flu". It was the worst I have ever felt. I had to get a shot at the ER for the swelling. I've never experienced a fever like that or night sweats so drenching. My neuropathy is very very real. It hurts to even sit on my butt for periods of time.
I just have no clue how it can be anything other than HIV. I just don't see how anxiety can give me such a high fever and sore throat. I have been having this neurological symptoms since 3 days after exposure.
3 days is too soon for ARS to start. Anxiety gace me an awful throat!
In short you are fine. There was never a risk.
Even if you choose to believe you had a risk (which I agree that you didn't)....you tested well enough after the encounter that you would have tested + if you were indeed infected.
You, along with most others, have a lot of misconceptions and inflated views about HIV. You wouldn't have neuropathy with acute HIV infection. Peripheral neuropathy when it's related to HIV is seen in late stage infections.
Feel free to do a follow up test for your own peace of mind, but believe your result. Tests don't lie.
Thank you for responding nursegirl! I was fine until the ARS symptoms started at exactly 8 weeks. I have never experience a fever that high. I felt hot to the touch and had chill, those drenching night sweats, and sever insomnia. The sore throat was unberable.
I am concerned that the fluid in my mouth may have been his semen after he ejaculated in/on her. If that was the case, that would be a definite expsure correct? I think he may have been dishonest. I feared herpes during the intital 3 days after exposure with all of the "tingling" I had, but quickly turned in HIV fear with the ARS symptoms at 8 weeks.
One question. If I truly experienced ARS at 8 weeks. Would my body have produced detectable antibodies by my 10-week test? My main concern is that I had such distinct symptoms and may have tested too soon after. I have seen cases where people didn't test positive until 4-6 weeks after their illness. Could I be a late seroconverter?
I will be re-testing at 13/14 weeks.
My thrush has returned, my body temperatue is still low (Im assuming anemia), and the muscle twitches and butt pain continue. Please help. I am scared out of my mind that this is HIV with all of the other classic ARS symptoms (High fever, severe sore throat (without pus/exudate), night sweats, etc.) Please do not block me from posting. I just need someone to respond.
Did you end up contracting hiv?? Im having similar issues at around 8 weeks
Never gauge your infection with symptom's yardstick. It is highly confusing and misleading.
In my 10 years of association with HIV counselling, I have come across with dozen of people, had almost every ARS like symptom, but found free of the infection at the end of the day.
On the other hand, many actually infected people never experienced any symptom
Kind of exposure defines your risk and that can only be confirmed by a test, not by the symptoms.
You were earlier told that your risk did not exist, the community member was right in advising you so. Your risk at the max was of a theoretical nature, without any practical evidence.
It is your anxiety, stress and guilt that grabs you right now. With an on-going 11th week, you may go and get yourself tested for HIV antibody or Duo test (any of the two), collect your conclusive test report and move on with your life. Test is advised only to bury all your residual worried to rest permanently and getting peace of mind. You still do not need it clinically