Do I need to get tested?

[Confused2k18]

Dear all.. I need desperate help and support as my anxiety is killing me. About 2 years ago in 2015 I had some encounter as below:

7/dec:
I am male. Had unprotected brief blow job and protected vaginal intercouse with a female escort. Condom was intact and I did not notice any holes or tears. The only concern was she used her mouth to roll it down my penis after blow job for vaginally sex.

9/dec:
2 days later, Had protected vaginal sex with two female escorts. Also had protected oral. Condom used was durex. Different condom for each escort. Condom did not appear to break. It was used end to end. Only note here is that the escort used same condom they did oral and did not replace with a new one for vaginally intercouse.

14/dec:
Did a blood test using cmia ag/ab method for HIV 1 and 2. Result was non reactive. This was 4.5 days post exposure.

23/dec:
Did another blood test with following results. This is 14 days post exposure:

Elisa ag/ab test for HIV 1 and 2. Result was non reactive.
Chlamydia and gonorea was also negative
Herpes 1 and 2 was also negative
Syphilis was also negative.

To-date I have no symptoms apart from fear and anxiety. Of course 2.5 yrs have passed with general cough or cold and fever, but am seriously depressed and fearing now.

Question is am I safe from Hiv considering the above? Do I need to test now to confirm?

[Sara_MHModerator]

As our members have clearly and patiently expressed to you, you had no risk from any of your encounters.  There is nothing to add to no risk.  We are now closing this discussion.

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[AnxiousNoMore]

You had no HIV risk and your tests were a waste of time - which is a good thing. It is not surprising that you have no symptoms since you had no risk. It is well past time to move on from fear so seek therapy if you continue.
HIV is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. It doesn't matter if you and they were actively bleeding or had cuts at the time either because the HIV is effectively dead.  

Only adult risks are the following:
1. unprotected penetrating vaginal
2. unprotected penetrating anal sex
3. sharing needles that you inject with. Knowing these 3 are all you need to know to protect yourself against HIV. Your situation is a long way from any of these 3.
Even with blood, lactation, cuts, rashes, burns, etc the air or the saliva does not allow inactivated virus to infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. The above HIV science is 40 years old and very well established so there is no detail that you can add that will make any of your encounter a risk for HIV.  No one in 40 years of HIV history got HIV from the situation you are concerned about so it is unlikely that it will happen in the next 40 of your lifetime either.

[Confused2k18]

Thank you for reassuring. The thing is they used the same condom for oral and vaginally and am curious over risks of tears or holes that may be a potential risk. I did not do any test after the 14 days exposure... Are you saying testing is not required at all considering my scenario above? Can I continue to have my relationship (unprotected) with my wife?

It has been over 2 years I am living with fear and fear of testing. I also do not wish to carry a risk forward to my wife.

Thanks for any advice you can give.

[Confused2k18]

Any additional advice please on my additional comments? Thanks

[AnxiousNoMore]

Then they were touching dead virus, and death is final. Reread about the 3.

Holes are a myth - if a condom fails iti s a large rip down the seam and it hangs in tatters so that didn't happen or everyone would be shouting at each other to find what their status was.

[Confused2k18]

Thanks for the feedback so I really do not need a test at all. Is this the verdict?

[RFGUSA]

Yes. That's two of us now that say you're definitely HIV negative.

[Confused2k18]

Thanks both. Your feed back is really encouraging. I had this anxiety due to a recent blood test last week for my lipid profile. As part of the blood test, they also took a cbc. My wbc count was within normal range but lymphocytes count was 1.4 (range is 1.5 to 4.0).

As such this retriggered this fear.  Has lymphocyte count anything to do with Hiv?

I am so sorry for all the questions... I just feel afraid to resume normal sex life with wife.  Can I resume?

[RFGUSA]

Sure you can. You cannot get HIV from protected sex so you had no risk of contracting the virus. Move on now without fear.

[Confused2k18]

Thanks for reassuring, but what about the marginal low lymphocyte count after 2 years. I did not do any Hiv tests at all after the 14th day in 2015.

[AnxiousNoMore]

You don't have any medical training, so it is unrealistic for you to continue to think that you can diagnose disease just by doing some Googling. You can't have HIV and have no medical training, yet you persist in trying to work up HIV theories as if you were a qualified researcher.
Your method of self-diagnosis is unscientific, in which you take a baseless guess that you have HIV then claim some readings (that you don't understand the significance of) proves that you have HIV.
See your doc and a therapist because your problem is not disease, it is fear of disease and that fear is wasting your life.

[Confused2k18]

Am sorry anxiousnomore for frustrating questions. I did not mean anything intentionally. The fear has also just come up because I am due for complete health check next week and they will include hiv test.

[AnxiousNoMore]

You are trying to connect a bunch of unrelated fears and guesses into a disease theory by pretending a bunch of wrong guesses are equivalent to a fact.        You have to accept the science and stop imagining something impossible happened.

[Confused2k18]

Thanks for the feedback. So I believe you are confident for me to go for the health check as needed and even if they do hiv test not to worry. Am hoping I am interpreting this right.

[AnxiousNoMore]

RFGUSA said that too. Relax and stop worrying about impossible HIV, because you can actually get E coli from a hamburger but you don't worry and test for that after every meal.

[Confused2k18]

Thanks! I forgot to mention that I am not circumcised. Hope this doesn't carry additional risk.

[AnxiousNoMore]

Which of the 3 do you feel applies to your situation to make a risk?