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HIV clades
Interesting read: http://avert.org.uk/hivtypes.htm
subtype C and CRF A/E tend to fuel heterosexual epidemics (via a mucosal route).Subtype B is spread mostly by homosexual contact and intravenous drug use (essentially via blood).
CRF A/E is prevalent in south-east Asia, but originated in central Africa. Subtype B is major contributor to HIV epidemic in USA and Europe. Subtype C is largely predominant in southern and eastern Africa, India and Nepal.
subtype C and CRF A/E tend to fuel heterosexual epidemics (via a mucosal route).Subtype B is spread mostly by homosexual contact and intravenous drug use (essentially via blood).
CRF A/E is prevalent in south-east Asia, but originated in central Africa. Subtype B is major contributor to HIV epidemic in USA and Europe. Subtype C is largely predominant in southern and eastern Africa, India and Nepal.
The choice of sexuality is not the question be you transgendered, homosexual, heterosexual, bi sexual, pansexual. The choice of methods used for intimate relations is. It is a known fact that rectal bleeding is caused by tears in the anal cavity walls providing a good conduit for the virus to enter the blood stream. There is a large surface area to cover in there. The vaginal canal is more robust and is made for friction and the rigors of sexual intercourse but there also is a chance of tearing and bleeding - though statistically not as dangerous. In all cases, one should protect oneself rather than rely on statistics. It's a choice of being educated and taking protective measures; not one of sexuality.
I said" It's a typical reaction /deflection from a gay male....."
as seen by the gay/bi users of this forum :
Ronnie99
JohnnyV
Teak
there was another but I can't remember his nick.
All of them say the exact same thing for deflection purposes "HIV infection is vastly a hetero disease worldwide" lol
as seen by the gay/bi users of this forum :
Ronnie99
JohnnyV
Teak
there was another but I can't remember his nick.
All of them say the exact same thing for deflection purposes "HIV infection is vastly a hetero disease worldwide" lol
What the hell do you mean hetros have little to worry about? They have just as much to worry about as gays. What group of people are having an alarming increase of HIV? Hetros.. I don't know what testing facility they go to, but I can tell you right now that where I go there are more hetro's than gays and it is alarming to the clinic. Hetros think that HIV is still just a gay disease and people like you push the information in that direction that is totally incorrect. I will say that most Hetros come to the clinics in a higher state of advance HIV disease, because of the false statement that "it's a gay disease and hetros aren't likely to get infected." You might try to give this false info to a WW, but don't try to push the false information to someone that has lived with it for 22 yrs. o_g, the best thing you could do for this forum is not post anything.
teak (a.k.a i think I know who you are),
It seems you are taking my posting in completely wrong context again and unnecessarily being rude. When I said little to worry about for hetero males do not mean "no worry" and the links I have posted re-affirm the belief pertaining to only subtype B. And, whatever I have stated is completely inline with what Dr. H states on his forum so I am not sure why you asking me to stop posting here because nothing I am saying is out of the line with Dr. H. You are 22 yr LTNP. I appericiate your willingness to help others but your status does not give you a license to insult others. When you impart information at ........ (u know where) you say, you base that on science based 1st tier pier reviwed facts. The posting I have made above are from harvard medical and aidsmap. Do you think they are wrong? If you think they are wrong, then you can say so or prove otherwise or not believe them.
Moreover, 1 more thing - The Dr. on this forum favors a conclusive 6-8 weeks test. I have never seen you agreeing with that. You stand by 12/13 weeks(i know the site you are coming from). Is it me who should stop posting here or is it you???
See Teak, you guys already kicked me out of your site. What's your problem man. I am not coming and asking you questions there anymore as I can't.
Anyways, its Christmas time and I want to thank you for all the help you(teak) have provided me for a long time at ........(u know where). Merry christmas brother. You are a good guy....
It seems you are taking my posting in completely wrong context again and unnecessarily being rude. When I said little to worry about for hetero males do not mean "no worry" and the links I have posted re-affirm the belief pertaining to only subtype B. And, whatever I have stated is completely inline with what Dr. H states on his forum so I am not sure why you asking me to stop posting here because nothing I am saying is out of the line with Dr. H. You are 22 yr LTNP. I appericiate your willingness to help others but your status does not give you a license to insult others. When you impart information at ........ (u know where) you say, you base that on science based 1st tier pier reviwed facts. The posting I have made above are from harvard medical and aidsmap. Do you think they are wrong? If you think they are wrong, then you can say so or prove otherwise or not believe them.
Moreover, 1 more thing - The Dr. on this forum favors a conclusive 6-8 weeks test. I have never seen you agreeing with that. You stand by 12/13 weeks(i know the site you are coming from). Is it me who should stop posting here or is it you???
See Teak, you guys already kicked me out of your site. What's your problem man. I am not coming and asking you questions there anymore as I can't.
Anyways, its Christmas time and I want to thank you for all the help you(teak) have provided me for a long time at ........(u know where). Merry christmas brother. You are a good guy....
Now tell everyone WHY you got booted? One of the reasons was, giving out false information. Until the CDC changes it's timeline policy, I will continue to go by it. Didn't you post the MASS. testing guideline? They don't go by 6 weeks being conclusive. Your right I do not go by the 6 weeks conclusive. I do however say that it is a favorable sign. Should I quit giving out factual information or should I let you continue to give out false information? I don't think you need me to answer that.
Me!! - Giving out false information at your site. At your site, you are the only ones who give out information. How can anyone even give information at your site? Did I ever say you are not giving out correct information but why are you saying I am giving out wrong information. You are saying that I posted the link for MASS testing guidelines. I am glad everyone took time to read that link. However, I have also posted like 4 credible links on top in this thread. Are you saying those are wrong?
Man, from the bottom of my heart, I have tremendous respect for you but please do not undermine a person's ability to question or to create a topic which needs discussion. Nobody knows this disease completely to be an absolute authority. Not even folks at thebody.org and they very well admit that. Nobody will be ever able to learn about this disease if questioning is not allowed and that's what happens most of the times. I am not presenting WW's wrong information. I am one of them. Everyone is an adult(almost) and needs to decide for himself provided the information is clear cut. But, whatever I am posting, I am trying to back it up with my findings from credible sources. One thing I have learned is that there is nothing black and white about HIV.
Teak, I might be wrong but with the link I have posted above, I feel the testing guidelines, window period, the transmission statistics followed by this site and your site takes into consideration the most prevalant subtype in developed world(UK, US, AUS, JAPAN). However, what happens say if a subtype A infection is transmitted and how it affects the window period:
Here is another posting from Dr. Conway at thebody.org where he is talking about Subtype E (fairly recent) [trust me, I will be the happiest if this is wrong]
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SideEffects/Archive/Testing/Q163730.html
Note: Please in anyways do not feel I am arguing with you. I concede to the fact that my knowledge and understanding is not even 1/100th of what you know. I feel overwhelmed even writing to you because there is no way I can tell how much your help meant to me.
Man, from the bottom of my heart, I have tremendous respect for you but please do not undermine a person's ability to question or to create a topic which needs discussion. Nobody knows this disease completely to be an absolute authority. Not even folks at thebody.org and they very well admit that. Nobody will be ever able to learn about this disease if questioning is not allowed and that's what happens most of the times. I am not presenting WW's wrong information. I am one of them. Everyone is an adult(almost) and needs to decide for himself provided the information is clear cut. But, whatever I am posting, I am trying to back it up with my findings from credible sources. One thing I have learned is that there is nothing black and white about HIV.
Teak, I might be wrong but with the link I have posted above, I feel the testing guidelines, window period, the transmission statistics followed by this site and your site takes into consideration the most prevalant subtype in developed world(UK, US, AUS, JAPAN). However, what happens say if a subtype A infection is transmitted and how it affects the window period:
Here is another posting from Dr. Conway at thebody.org where he is talking about Subtype E (fairly recent) [trust me, I will be the happiest if this is wrong]
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SideEffects/Archive/Testing/Q163730.html
Note: Please in anyways do not feel I am arguing with you. I concede to the fact that my knowledge and understanding is not even 1/100th of what you know. I feel overwhelmed even writing to you because there is no way I can tell how much your help meant to me.
It's a typical reaction /deflection from a gay male....."it's an everyone disease".
It isn't. Many people on the front lines will attest to this behind closed doors. I know this firsthand. The doc here just states the facts in the open and I have great respect for him for doing so.
Sure, if you want to look at the situation worldwide, Africa has many more heterosexuals getting HIV than North America...but this is not Africa, and the conditions for transmission are very different.
The only reason it is "on the rise" in North America, is for 2 main reasons....men having sex with men then going home to their wives, and regular partners(usually women) of injection drug users (or users themselves) or combo thereof.
Look at the numbers. They do not lie. People do. If the public knew the truth then funding would be substantially decreased. I read an article this summer about an aids walk fundraiser. Quote "we got a good haul".
It isn't. Many people on the front lines will attest to this behind closed doors. I know this firsthand. The doc here just states the facts in the open and I have great respect for him for doing so.
Sure, if you want to look at the situation worldwide, Africa has many more heterosexuals getting HIV than North America...but this is not Africa, and the conditions for transmission are very different.
The only reason it is "on the rise" in North America, is for 2 main reasons....men having sex with men then going home to their wives, and regular partners(usually women) of injection drug users (or users themselves) or combo thereof.
Look at the numbers. They do not lie. People do. If the public knew the truth then funding would be substantially decreased. I read an article this summer about an aids walk fundraiser. Quote "we got a good haul".
teak in his infinite wisdom said " They have just as much to worry about as gays"
No they don't...lol. Well, let me re-phrase that....heteros only have to worry if they are partnered with a male who has sex with men without the other partner knowing....so I guess you're right.
No they don't...lol. Well, let me re-phrase that....heteros only have to worry if they are partnered with a male who has sex with men without the other partner knowing....so I guess you're right.
Guys,
While starting this thread, I had all the intentions of making it meaningful and educational for myself and everybody and at the same time trying to put my fears to rest for christmas. With the way it has proceeded, it has completely defeated that purpose. I kind of feel bad that this thread got to the point that it is neither informative nor emotionally helpful.
I wish both of you guys Merry christmas and let the Christmas spirit prevail.
At the same time, I would like to take the opportunity to ask teak to wish the mods at the esteemed forumg merry christmas from my side as I can not personally do that due to the fact that I am banned. You guys have given me a lot in very difficult times and there is no way in which I can repay you for it.
While starting this thread, I had all the intentions of making it meaningful and educational for myself and everybody and at the same time trying to put my fears to rest for christmas. With the way it has proceeded, it has completely defeated that purpose. I kind of feel bad that this thread got to the point that it is neither informative nor emotionally helpful.
I wish both of you guys Merry christmas and let the Christmas spirit prevail.
At the same time, I would like to take the opportunity to ask teak to wish the mods at the esteemed forumg merry christmas from my side as I can not personally do that due to the fact that I am banned. You guys have given me a lot in very difficult times and there is no way in which I can repay you for it.
Ya, I guess you caught me....what are the odds that someone else on the net used the same nick as I did.?!
You obviously lack maturity. But for education purposes, how did you aquire HIV? I assume through heterosexual contact? Or was it needle sharing?
I make no apologies on my views in order to be "politically correct". I could careless if Teak doesn't like my views.....facts speak for themselves.
I don't see where I took part in name calling? But it is obvious Teak likes that form of communication, especially when he has no facts to back up what he says....so what else can he resort to besides name calling? lol
What I find interesting is I have been to STD clinics, spoke to many professionals in the field, read extensively on this board and others, and the consensus is the same. Most people in the field consider it extremely rare for a true heterosexual male to aquire HIV. The ONLY time I see anything that differs from these observations (I remind you this is from professionals) is from gay/bi males (such as on this forum) and / or those males who are already infected.
I don't see where I took part in name calling? But it is obvious Teak likes that form of communication, especially when he has no facts to back up what he says....so what else can he resort to besides name calling? lol
What I find interesting is I have been to STD clinics, spoke to many professionals in the field, read extensively on this board and others, and the consensus is the same. Most people in the field consider it extremely rare for a true heterosexual male to aquire HIV. The ONLY time I see anything that differs from these observations (I remind you this is from professionals) is from gay/bi males (such as on this forum) and / or those males who are already infected.
Oh, so now hemophiliacs are all gay? Children born to positive mothers that are infected are also all gay? Your theory just doesn't jive nor is it factual, nor are you political correct.
Expected response. More deflection and avoidance. The numbers infected by transfusion are extremely small. Babies are unfortunately caught in something they cannot control..adults can.
Again, please clarify how you were infected ....hetero?, needle sharing? transfusion then? It is vastly a hetero disease so if you wer einfected by another male then you are in the low percentile and the odds were extremely against you....right "teak"?
As I said, I am not politically correct so get over it.
Again, please clarify how you were infected ....hetero?, needle sharing? transfusion then? It is vastly a hetero disease so if you wer einfected by another male then you are in the low percentile and the odds were extremely against you....right "teak"?
As I said, I am not politically correct so get over it.
I find it funny that you've become an expert in two months after this. http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=5101.msg57672#msg57672
Dumbo, I think what you are saying is correct to an extent keeping in consideration subtype B and your exposure being in the US.
But, at the same time I feel Teak is also correct when he says that HIV is both a hetero and a homo disease. This due to the fact that Subtype A/C/D/E are also transmitted heterosexually
(more easily than subtype B). Example being transmission from prostitutes in Thailand where major subtype is E.
Again, I am trying to state that this is a good discussion to have and lets not try to laugh and make fun of others and their views & especially not take names.
But, I certainly agree that if the exposure happened in US, the person exposed heterosexually(especially the male) has very less to worry as compared to similar exposure happening in Russia, Africa, India or Thailand.
But, at the same time I feel Teak is also correct when he says that HIV is both a hetero and a homo disease. This due to the fact that Subtype A/C/D/E are also transmitted heterosexually
(more easily than subtype B). Example being transmission from prostitutes in Thailand where major subtype is E.
Again, I am trying to state that this is a good discussion to have and lets not try to laugh and make fun of others and their views & especially not take names.
But, I certainly agree that if the exposure happened in US, the person exposed heterosexually(especially the male) has very less to worry as compared to similar exposure happening in Russia, Africa, India or Thailand.
Teak,
I completely agree that Subtype B is most prevalant in US and exists both amongst heteros as well as homos. But,please look at the following cridible links:
1. http://www.aids.harvard.edu/news_publications/har/fall_1998/fall98-5.html
2. http://dsp-psd.communication.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp411-e.htm
3. http://www.aidsmap.com/cms1007271.asp
Also, I have found some other studies which prove that major heterosexual transmissions occur with subtypes A, C, D & E which do not really exist in high quantities in the U.S.
A lot of guys in this forum have posted their experiences upon talking to RN's in the testing labs in US where they have mentioned that they have not seen more than 3-4 cases of hetero transmission throughout their careers of more than 20 years. That doesn't mean there is no hetrosexual transmission of subtype B in US, Australia, UK & Japan hetrosexually but there needs to be some extraordinary conditions for that to happen like presence of menstrual blood, very high viral load and other STD's + so many other things[like extremely rare scenarios]. Moreover, a lot of experts on WWW feel that subtype B is most of the time transmitted homosexually or through IDU's.
See, people on this forum also get mad when sexual preferences are correlated with HIV transmission but with the links posted above, one can almost certainly say that SUBTYPE B which is the msjor HIV infector in developed world, heterosexuals have little to worry as compared to homosexuals. But, when SUBTYPES A,C,D & E come into picture, it doesn't matter whether you are a heterosexual or homosexual.
I hope I made some sense at least...
I completely agree that Subtype B is most prevalant in US and exists both amongst heteros as well as homos. But,please look at the following cridible links:
1. http://www.aids.harvard.edu/news_publications/har/fall_1998/fall98-5.html
2. http://dsp-psd.communication.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp411-e.htm
3. http://www.aidsmap.com/cms1007271.asp
Also, I have found some other studies which prove that major heterosexual transmissions occur with subtypes A, C, D & E which do not really exist in high quantities in the U.S.
A lot of guys in this forum have posted their experiences upon talking to RN's in the testing labs in US where they have mentioned that they have not seen more than 3-4 cases of hetero transmission throughout their careers of more than 20 years. That doesn't mean there is no hetrosexual transmission of subtype B in US, Australia, UK & Japan hetrosexually but there needs to be some extraordinary conditions for that to happen like presence of menstrual blood, very high viral load and other STD's + so many other things[like extremely rare scenarios]. Moreover, a lot of experts on WWW feel that subtype B is most of the time transmitted homosexually or through IDU's.
See, people on this forum also get mad when sexual preferences are correlated with HIV transmission but with the links posted above, one can almost certainly say that SUBTYPE B which is the msjor HIV infector in developed world, heterosexuals have little to worry as compared to homosexuals. But, when SUBTYPES A,C,D & E come into picture, it doesn't matter whether you are a heterosexual or homosexual.
I hope I made some sense at least...
O_G, that is incorrect, Subtype B in the US is the main subtype for everyone. Not mostly gays, hetos too.
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