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Hi all...Hiv and Hep
Can someone tell me if antibodies to HIV and Hepatitis C both take the same time to appear on a test? I am confused about this, and new here. Someones help? I tested at 2 months after a vaginal sexual exposure for Hep A,B, and C. All were negative. Am I free of Hep??
Wait a second.
I will gladly admit that I'm wrong if I see a documented case of sexual Hep C transmission.
I didn't find any at the link you kindly provided.
Speculation, guessing, suggestions, but no actual cases.
Point it out where is it on that page exactly, maybe I just missed it.
The only actual study that I did see there actually suggests the opposite - see the paragraph that I pasted above.
If you wish I will summarize it in the language you understand.
There were studies following serodiscordant couples where one person had Hepatitis C and the other did not. These people were not using condoms for either vaginal or oral sex. After 10 years of follow-up, not one person had contracted Hep C. Not one.
Hope this helped.
I will gladly admit that I'm wrong if I see a documented case of sexual Hep C transmission.
I didn't find any at the link you kindly provided.
Speculation, guessing, suggestions, but no actual cases.
Point it out where is it on that page exactly, maybe I just missed it.
The only actual study that I did see there actually suggests the opposite - see the paragraph that I pasted above.
If you wish I will summarize it in the language you understand.
There were studies following serodiscordant couples where one person had Hepatitis C and the other did not. These people were not using condoms for either vaginal or oral sex. After 10 years of follow-up, not one person had contracted Hep C. Not one.
Hope this helped.
Don't know about hepatitis e, but I do know hepatitis d is only possible if you have hepatitis b. Hepatitis is complicated.
Sexually transmitted hepatitis c is highly unlikely, and worrying about getting it from sex is an enormous waste of time. Peek is right on as always. Everyone lies.
Mostly, I'm sorry so many of you have so much fear and anxiety around one of the greatest pleasures in life. Sex really is fun, but when you wrap it up with health anxiety and various phobias, plus guilt and all the negative messages we're flooded with about sex, well, it's not surprising most posters here are having meltdowns about it. It's still very sad, though. So if you decide you want to live differently, consider therapy and meds.
Sexually transmitted hepatitis c is highly unlikely, and worrying about getting it from sex is an enormous waste of time. Peek is right on as always. Everyone lies.
Mostly, I'm sorry so many of you have so much fear and anxiety around one of the greatest pleasures in life. Sex really is fun, but when you wrap it up with health anxiety and various phobias, plus guilt and all the negative messages we're flooded with about sex, well, it's not surprising most posters here are having meltdowns about it. It's still very sad, though. So if you decide you want to live differently, consider therapy and meds.
Is people getting hepatititis and also getting hiv at the same time pretty common?
You said, and again I quote, "You want to be truthful and honest? Then at least be consistent, say the same thing you say about acquiring HIV by receiving a blowjob
"There's never been a documented case of Hepatits C acquired sexually and you won't be the first."
I proved to you on both counts that you were wrong in your statements. Now don't try to twist things around because you were wrong. Just admit that you were wrong and move on.
"There's never been a documented case of Hepatits C acquired sexually and you won't be the first."
I proved to you on both counts that you were wrong in your statements. Now don't try to twist things around because you were wrong. Just admit that you were wrong and move on.
Dam it, dam it, dam it. I hate sex too. That's sad cause Im really good at it. LOL. :). Seriously though, this effin sux. Im so fin tired of subtypes, and freakin window periods I could puke. I say again, this s**t suxxxxxx!!!!!
Dr. K. said and I quote, "The University of California San Francisco and the San Francisco Dept. of Public Health just completed a study of men in San Francisco who have only had oral sex and found zero new HIV infections. A very recent study from Spain confirmed earlier studies that oral sex is safe sex in terms of HIV."
He doesn't say safer sex. he said safe sex in terms of HIV. If he thought their was a risk he would have stated so.
He doesn't say safer sex. he said safe sex in terms of HIV. If he thought their was a risk he would have stated so.
You said there were no documented cases of HCV by sex. I showed you that what you stated was not true. There are documented cases of HCV via sexual transmission.
Dr.K is right, as always.
People should enjoy oral sex and get regular check-ups for HIV.
No argument there - I would not dare to argue with him anyway.
But he never says that oral is "no risk", he says "very low risk" (see his std chart)
And that's the proper way, I think.
Well, this sure made the slow day go fast )))
Thanks for the informative conversation, everyone
I'm going home, catch you tomorrow.
People should enjoy oral sex and get regular check-ups for HIV.
No argument there - I would not dare to argue with him anyway.
But he never says that oral is "no risk", he says "very low risk" (see his std chart)
And that's the proper way, I think.
Well, this sure made the slow day go fast )))
Thanks for the informative conversation, everyone
I'm going home, catch you tomorrow.
The HepC link is good, thanks.
Although, I'm not sure what you tried to say there?
From what I read there, there is no good evidence for sexual transmissions.
I'm not seeing any documented cases. Am I missing it?
No Evidence of Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis C among Monogamous Couples: Results of a 10-Year Prospective Study
The risk of sexual transmission of hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection was evaluated among 895 monogamous heterosexual partners of HCV chronically infected individuals in a long-term prospective study, which provided a follow-up period of 8,060 person-years. Seven hundred and seventy-six (86.7%) spouses were followed for 10 yr, corresponding to 7,760 person-years of observation.
One hundred and nineteen (13.3%) spouses (69 whose infected partners cleared the virus following treatment and 50 who ended their relationship or were lost at follow-up) contributed an additional 300 person-years.
All couples denied practicing anal intercourse or sex during menstruation, as well as condom use. The average weekly rate of sexual intercourse was 1.8.
Three HCV infections were observed during follow-up corresponding to an incidence rate of 0.37 per 1,000 person-years. However, the infecting HCV genotype in one spouse (2a) was different from that of the partner (1b), clearly excluding sexual transmission.
The remaining two couples had concordant genotypes, but sequence analysis of the NS5b region of the HCV genome, coupled with phylogenetic analysis showed that the corresponding partners carried different viral isolates, again excluding the possibility of intra-spousal transmission of HCV.
The authors conclude, “Our data indicate that the risk of sexual transmission of HCV within heterosexual monogamous couples is extremely low or even null. No general recommendations for condom use seem required for individuals in monogamous partnerships with HCV-infected partners.”
Although, I'm not sure what you tried to say there?
From what I read there, there is no good evidence for sexual transmissions.
I'm not seeing any documented cases. Am I missing it?
No Evidence of Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis C among Monogamous Couples: Results of a 10-Year Prospective Study
The risk of sexual transmission of hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection was evaluated among 895 monogamous heterosexual partners of HCV chronically infected individuals in a long-term prospective study, which provided a follow-up period of 8,060 person-years. Seven hundred and seventy-six (86.7%) spouses were followed for 10 yr, corresponding to 7,760 person-years of observation.
One hundred and nineteen (13.3%) spouses (69 whose infected partners cleared the virus following treatment and 50 who ended their relationship or were lost at follow-up) contributed an additional 300 person-years.
All couples denied practicing anal intercourse or sex during menstruation, as well as condom use. The average weekly rate of sexual intercourse was 1.8.
Three HCV infections were observed during follow-up corresponding to an incidence rate of 0.37 per 1,000 person-years. However, the infecting HCV genotype in one spouse (2a) was different from that of the partner (1b), clearly excluding sexual transmission.
The remaining two couples had concordant genotypes, but sequence analysis of the NS5b region of the HCV genome, coupled with phylogenetic analysis showed that the corresponding partners carried different viral isolates, again excluding the possibility of intra-spousal transmission of HCV.
The authors conclude, “Our data indicate that the risk of sexual transmission of HCV within heterosexual monogamous couples is extremely low or even null. No general recommendations for condom use seem required for individuals in monogamous partnerships with HCV-infected partners.”
San Francisco City Clinic-City Clinic is a specialty clinic which has been providing diagnosis and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) to the San Francisco community since 1933
The University of California San Francisco and the San Francisco Dept. of Public Health just completed a study of men in San Francisco who have only had oral sex and found zero new HIV infections. A very recent study from Spain confirmed earlier studies that oral sex is safe sex in terms of HIV.
What's important is that other STDs like syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes are definitely transmitted through oral sex, and oral sex has likely contributed to San Francisco's current syphilis outbreak. Many of these infections are easily diagnosed with simple tests and can be treated with available medications.
So my advice is: Enjoy oral sex and get regular check-ups. A good check-up includes throat testing for gonorrhea, rectal testing for gonorrhea and chlamydia, urine testing for gonorrhea and chlamydia and blood tests for herpes, syphilis and HIV. We call that the grand slam!
To your health,
Dr. K
The University of California San Francisco and the San Francisco Dept. of Public Health just completed a study of men in San Francisco who have only had oral sex and found zero new HIV infections. A very recent study from Spain confirmed earlier studies that oral sex is safe sex in terms of HIV.
What's important is that other STDs like syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes are definitely transmitted through oral sex, and oral sex has likely contributed to San Francisco's current syphilis outbreak. Many of these infections are easily diagnosed with simple tests and can be treated with available medications.
So my advice is: Enjoy oral sex and get regular check-ups. A good check-up includes throat testing for gonorrhea, rectal testing for gonorrhea and chlamydia, urine testing for gonorrhea and chlamydia and blood tests for herpes, syphilis and HIV. We call that the grand slam!
To your health,
Dr. K
There you go. Now don't say it's never been documented and as Dr. H stated, You'll probably get more reliable information than I can provide from CDC (www.cdc.gov, then search for hepatitis) and from the American Liver Foundation.
http://janis7hepc.com/Modes%20of%20Transmission.htm
http://janis7hepc.com/Modes%20of%20Transmission.htm
I agree.
All I'm looking for is a little consistency, you know?
Teak loves to repeat that no oral HIV acquisition has been documented.
So why is he not using the same criteria here for HCV?
All I'm looking for is a little consistency, you know?
Teak loves to repeat that no oral HIV acquisition has been documented.
So why is he not using the same criteria here for HCV?
How about this non-Spanish study:
Objective: To investigate reported cases of oral HIV transmission in a cohort of persons with primary HIV infection. Methods: From 6/96 - 6/99 we enrolled 122 persons with primary HIV defined as within 12 months of documented HIV seroconversion or history compatible with primary HIV infection confirmed by less sensitive EIA test. Risk behaviors for the period during which infection occurred were elicited with self-administered and interviewer administered questionnaire. Potential oral sex transmission cases were reviewed following an investigation protocol of a follow-up interview by an epidemiologist, review of clinical notes and partner corroboration where possible. Results: There were 20 (16.4%) cases where the route of acquistion appeared to be oral sex on initial evaluation. Of these 20 cases, 3 provided insufficient additional information for classification. Of the remaining 17, 9 (53%) were subsequently reclassified as not associated with oral transmission due to other potential route of exposure. Two reclassified patients reported never engaging in anal sex but each reported a single episode of substance use associated with a blackout and risk could not be reliably recalled. Four patients reported a single incident of unprotected anal receptive anal intercourse and 1 reported a condom break during the period HIV was acquired. After follow-up investigation, 8 cases (6.6%) were classified as likely oral sex transmission. Each of the men believed oral sex represented no or minimal risk. Conclusion: Oral sex transmission may be over-reported. However, even with strigent criteria for classification, oral risk transmission represented 6.6% of infections in our study of primary HIV. Despite lower transmission risk, oral sex may be an important mode of HIV transmission due to its frequency. This finding has substantial prevention implications. Standardized investigation of HIV transmission via oral sex is needed to understand the epidemiology and risk of this behavior.
Objective: To investigate reported cases of oral HIV transmission in a cohort of persons with primary HIV infection. Methods: From 6/96 - 6/99 we enrolled 122 persons with primary HIV defined as within 12 months of documented HIV seroconversion or history compatible with primary HIV infection confirmed by less sensitive EIA test. Risk behaviors for the period during which infection occurred were elicited with self-administered and interviewer administered questionnaire. Potential oral sex transmission cases were reviewed following an investigation protocol of a follow-up interview by an epidemiologist, review of clinical notes and partner corroboration where possible. Results: There were 20 (16.4%) cases where the route of acquistion appeared to be oral sex on initial evaluation. Of these 20 cases, 3 provided insufficient additional information for classification. Of the remaining 17, 9 (53%) were subsequently reclassified as not associated with oral transmission due to other potential route of exposure. Two reclassified patients reported never engaging in anal sex but each reported a single episode of substance use associated with a blackout and risk could not be reliably recalled. Four patients reported a single incident of unprotected anal receptive anal intercourse and 1 reported a condom break during the period HIV was acquired. After follow-up investigation, 8 cases (6.6%) were classified as likely oral sex transmission. Each of the men believed oral sex represented no or minimal risk. Conclusion: Oral sex transmission may be over-reported. However, even with strigent criteria for classification, oral risk transmission represented 6.6% of infections in our study of primary HIV. Despite lower transmission risk, oral sex may be an important mode of HIV transmission due to its frequency. This finding has substantial prevention implications. Standardized investigation of HIV transmission via oral sex is needed to understand the epidemiology and risk of this behavior.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say there has never been a documented sexually transmitted case of HCV.
"Never" is a strong word. Never say never. ;)
"Never" is a strong word. Never say never. ;)
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