Washing after sex

[worriedshone]

My question is below.
3 weeks ago i had protected sex with a sex worker. We finished and she had a lot of vaginal fluid that came onto the base of my shaft. Nothing on my shaft since the condom was still on. I carefully removed the condom and proceeded to wash the pubic hair and the base of the shaft. I am circumcised as well.

as per search on the internet, it seems washing after sex is increasing the risk of hiv?  Is this applicable for circumcised men as well? is this because when washing the fluids can enter into a circumcised penis? Is the risk high or low in this regard?

Thanks

[CurfewX]

Since your intercourse was protected, you were at no risk for HIV.  Fluid outside of the body, even if it is washed into your urethra, is of no risk to you.  Sexually, HIV transmission happens ONLY inside the body - when an unprotected penis is inside a vagina or anus - never outside the body.

You had zero risk and of course, there is no need to test for HIV.

[worriedshone]

Thanks,

Please refer to medical study "post capital penile washing and risk of HIV acquisition"

It seems very surprising that it can be the case?

[CurfewX]

That is for unprotected intercourse, which you did not have.

[AnxiousNoMore]

This answers all your questions and if you think of any others, then you can get the answer if you just reread about the 3.
You had no risk for HIV so your test was a waste of time.
HIV is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. It doesn't matter if you and they were actively bleeding or had cuts at the time either because the HIV is effectively dead.  
Only 3 adult risks are the following:
1. unprotected penetrating vaginal with a penis
2. unprotected penetrating anal sex with a penis
3. sharing needles that you inject with. Knowing these 3 are all you need to know to protect yourself against HIV. The situation you describe is a long way from any of these 3.
Even with blood, lactation, cuts, rashes, burns, etc the air or the saliva does not allow inactivated virus to infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. Doctors have calculated the risk from what you describe to be less than that of being hit by a meteor, therefore no one will get HIV from what you did in the next 40 years of your life either. The above HIV science is 40 years old and very well established, so no detail that you can add to your encounter will change it from zero risk.
We rely on the opinion of expert doctors so do not pay attention to any articles that you can find on the internet or we will be here all day. Some sites use theoretical risks that have never manifested in 40 years, so that is useless advice. you can find someone on the internet who will tell you that you can die from anything that you can think of doing in the next 10 minutes so it is best to stop googling for death because it will just make you more anxious.

[worriedshone]

Curfewx,

Thanks. But that doesn't make sense whether it's protected or unprotected right? Washing happens after the condom is removed?  Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Regarding vaginal fluid entering urethra externally through washing is it medically proven that hiv cannot be spread externally and ONLY inside the body?

I believe HIV stays active if it's in fluid form for a couple of hours but this just my belief based on some reading done and I don't have references or citations available.

[worriedshone]

Thanks Anxious no more.

What's the duration of instantaneous as per your response? The washing happened less than 5 mins after sex session. Condom was removed and washing was done.

Can transmission ONLY happen from inside the body and not through outside transmission fluid into urethra?

Hope you understand the point I'm trying to raise

[AnxiousNoMore]

Which of the only 3 risks do you feel was the one you had that is a risk? If you didn't do any of the 3, then you are just making up your own science fiction, so it won't be possible to have a logical discussion about that.

[worriedshone]

Thanks Anxious,

It was none of the three.

So if vaginal fluids enter urethra externally it is not a risk?

When you say HIV is inactive  instantaneously when out in air, how much time are you referring to?

[AnxiousNoMore]

I am sure that you know the meaning of only and  science fiction.

[laxus2012]

you've been answered more than once and provided the details of how HIV is transmitted in adults. you do not have a risk, no matter how many times you ask. washing your penis is absolutely no risk for HIV and never, ever will be.

[worriedshone]

I'm sorry but do you have medical reference that says that washing your penis while vaginal fluids are on it is absolutely no risk for HIV?

[CurfewX]

No, because there are no medical references about risks that do not exist.  Nobody studies whether swimming causes HIV, because it's not a risk.  Protected sex is NOT a risk, no matter what you do.  THAT has been studied extensively, and you can look on Google scholar for the tens of thousands of medical research articles showing that, when a condom is used properly and does not visibly break, HIV risk does not exist.

The question of whether fluids outside of the body, and not inserted into the body by way of unprotected anal or vaginal sex, are infectious, has been studied comprehensively.  If washing your penis after protected sex posed any risk at all, there would be warnings on every condom by now.

[laxus2012]

look, if you chose to believe us or not, it will not change the fact you had zero risk. I doubt there is anything specific pertaining exactly to washing your penis, but vaginal fluids on the base is not a risk. if you cant listen, maybe seeing a dr will ease your mind, but i do not recommend that as its a waste of their time as they can be seeing patients to actually have problems, a waste of your time since you had zero risk, and a waste of money.

[worriedshone]

Thanks all.

As much as I would liketo believe what ur all saying, I am unable to see the logic in the statement that hiv spreads only with penetrating.

How can we be absolutely sure that if HIV infected vaginal fluid comes into contact with the tip of the penis, the virus cannot enter the cells as tip of the penis is mucous membrane too?

I am not trying to be pessimistic here but just highlighting the logic in this matter.

Apologies for reiterating this. I too want to believe your comments that are being stated.

[laxus2012]

you do not have to believe anything wev are saying, but that doesn't change the facts. you can continue to live in fear because your anxiety will not let you listed, but that's you choice. our information comes from experts in the field. you've been answered thoroughly.  reread the post from AnxiousNoMore stating "HIV is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities"

[AnxiousNoMore]

You don't have any medical training, and your ideas are not scientific, and it doesn't seem that you will ever understand that biology is not dependent on you understanding it. Your science fiction ideas have no chance of being correct but you don't understand that, so there is nothing else to say.

[AnxiousNoMore]

See a therapist to help you through this problem.
You don't believe anything that you were told here so I have no idea why you keep coming back and asking for more info that you disbelieve, because the only thing you believe is your science fiction ideas. See doc for help with that problem.