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I am so scared that I have HIV

Hello Doctor,

I have read many of your posts and I have found them very informative.  I'll get into my story.  I had protected anal sex with a Brazilian woman of unknown status about 5 weeks ago, however we were both intoxicated and I noticed that the condom was inside of her after we were done so basically the sex was unprotected.  This is my first time having unprotected sex in my life.  I was worried sick and I found out that this woman has been a stripper in the past. We met on the subway in New York and she was very flirty with me and we ended up having intercourse.  I was worried about the encounter however I was unaware of post exposure prophylaxis at the time, I should have done more reading about this in my life.  I just never thought I would have been possibly exposed to HIV because I always use protection, but this time it failed.  Anyway about two and a half weeks later I began to feel ill, malaise, muscle twitching, my pulse felt like it was jumping, not really any headaches, more of a malaise feeling and I didnt want to get out of bed.  At first I thought I may have contracted Herpes and so I immediately went to a urologist and he said that I had no herpes or genital warts.  I also read online which may or may not be true that one can feel herpes symptoms without an outbreak, the urologist told me that this was false.   I thought I got herpes because I was reading about the symptoms and they seemed similar to some of the HIV symptoms and I didnt immediately jump to an HIV possibility.  the feeling continued and then I began reading about acute HIV symptoms and I felt like I had a lot of them.  My heart rate was high, I had malaise, I didnt really have muscle or joint pains.  It was more like muscle twitching all around my body especially in my legs.  I smoked some weed and these symptoms were even enhanced and when I was hungover a couple times they got worse too.  Some of this seemed Neurological and I know this can occurr during acute infection.  I felt confused and depressed even my friends said that I was acting strangely and that I was quiet, normally I am not.  I definitely felt something, and i did not feel well.  I took my temperature about a week and a half into this awful phase and my temperature was 99.6 or 99.8 degrees.  Is that too low to be a fever.  Maybe it would have been higher in the early acute stages, I really dont know.  I would pace around my apartment because I was thinking  I was going through HIV acute.  I never threw up or had diarrhea really, maybe a little diarrhea but not severe.  I eat a lot of protein so i normally can have some diarrhea.  I think I may have had thrush but I have been smoking almost a pack a day since I thought I had HIV so that could have cause my thrush feeling although I did notice white on my tongue and eventually almost brown after I had been smoking so much.  Can a flu or other viral infections cause thrush that would make me have all these symptoms as well.  I have been so depressed, I have gone out at night less.  I have just not felt like me at all, I reall think I have HIV and that I just went through the acute stage.

I did notice dark urine and light colored stools so I suspected possible hepatitis, but i think i have been vaccinated for Hep A and B when I was younger and I know many other things can cause light colored stools and dark urine.  I have had no jaundice.  I am not sure when I was vaccinated, I am 24 now arent these vaccinations pretty much routine now and I have read that they can last for 15 years or indefinitely.  I went to a doctor yesterday for a physical but I told him that I was very concerned about HIV, I have been freaking out everyday and I try to hide it around friends.  The first thing he checked for were swollen lymph nodes and the rash and I had no swollen lymph nodes and I never developed an acute HIV rash which he was the most worried about.  He happened to specialize in HIV and he said what worried him the most about potential HIV infected people is the rash and swollen lymph nodes, that is what he says seem to be the most blatant symptoms of the people who come in and eventually test positive.  The lab was closed after my appointment but I am going in either thursday or Friday for a rapid HIV test.  I am so nervous, I cannot get anything done at my job and I think I could get fired from this whole mess.  What do you think from what I have told you.  I have also had unprotected insertive oral sex with a couple of call girls in my life, but my doctor told me that insertive oral sex is practically zero risk and that there have never been any documented cases of this.  He said even if there was blood or semen in the woman's mouth it would almost certainly not infect through your urethra, he said hes never seen a case from insertive oral sex of all the HIV cases he has seen and he specializes in HIV.  He was much more worried about the condom falling off in the anal sex.  I still have twitches in my body but most of the symptoms have left me which is another reason that i am worried because it said that the symptoms of acute just sort of disappear.  Many viruses have been going around NYC recently, but I felt some psychological stuff going on in my brain which a regular flu I feel like would not do.  Also I dont think Ive had the flu since i was a young kid so I dont really remember what it feels like, but can a flu last for 3-4 weeks.  I really dont know.  I guess I could have gotten Mono, sorry for rambling I am just so nervous and this would just ruin my life.  My friends and family and the stigma, the pain, side effects of anti-retroviral meds.  I dont think I could live with HIV.   Maybe my anxiety prolonged it, I really dont know.  I just would love to have your thoughts on this
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I hope you will answer me... As you can see I have an unsafe encounter almost 2 mos ago and I'm experiencing symptoms similar to yours.
Upper Back Pain - with accompanying twitches - the pain is different somewhat sorelike...  Please help me......
I'm full of regrets now, and my body is becoming weak.
What could this be.
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Hi,
Last week I was on vacation, and 2 days before leaving I met a guy! I don't know this guy, and I'll probably never see him again! He said he was tested 4 months ago and he is clean. We had sex 3 times that night, first and 3 rd time everything was fine, condom was properly used, but second time, I think the condom was removed while he was pulling out! I say that because I didn't feel any liquid in my vagina, however the condoms contents leaked on my dress then I felt liquid on the line of my behind (meaning between my but cheeks) I freaked out because I am so careful! But the guy had a look of ... What's the big deal!
He is a construction worker, he was thin but hadstrong looking physic with muscles, however, many ppl with HIV don't show it!
I can't sleep, I can't work, I can't think about anything els! This happened last Friday, and today is Wednesday and I feel I can't wait 3 months to get results!
My questions are, is it true that after 4 weeks one can get tested? How accurate is it? What would the probability, if this guy is HIV +, for me to be infected too?
I do not have symptoms, in anycase I think it's too soon, I only lost my joy for life!
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Hello Everyone,

I got my antibody test results yesterday after about 7 or 8 weeks I believe.  It came back negative, I am so relieved.  My doctor is still waiting on the viral load test but he said I am basically in the clear.  Thanks for everyone's support now I am just waiting on the viral load test but I am confident it will be negative, I really hope so.  Thanks everyone
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Hello everyone,

Do you guys know if swollen lymph nodes continue through ARS or does the swelling go down by the end of it?  I was just wondering

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You sound just like me, it's actually funny... I have had the same fear for months now, but my hubby thinks I'm crazy. Although I realize I am a little hypochondriac. I have gotten tested in the past to get over my fears and I'm thinking about doing it again, not sure when. So, go ahead and get tested so you can put your fears behind you and be more careful in the future.
Good luck!
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I believe you, I'm just saying.  I was anxious at first and then brushed it off thinking there was no way she had HIV, and then these symptoms just kicked in within the typical time frame ARS does and they were pretty vicious to be honest.    Thanks for your help nursegirl
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Enough is enough already.

Of COURSE it is anxiety......read the forum, do searches.  There is a ton of info on this site alone.

A study was done......Out of ALL of the people who went to an ER seeking help for what they think is "ARS"....99+% of them were HIV NEG and their symptoms were related to something else...not HIV.
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hello everyone,

Isnt it so strange that everyone thinks that they are feeling ARS symptoms after possible exposures.  Do you think it is just anxiety?  If its not anxiety its just strange that so many people may get other viral infections after a potential HIV exposure.
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I guess there is nothing else to talk about, I need to get tested.  Thanks to all of you guys

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You've never read that anywhere. ARS if one has it comes on 2-4 weeks after exposure and lasts 1-2 weeks.
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Thanks Lizzie Lou,

Really? I have read from many credible sources that it can last from 2-4 weeks.  How long do you think it is supposed to last?  Isnt it different for everyone?
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neither does ARS ! ! ! ! !

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Ok thanks legendariusz,

I am thinking about it too much and I am going to get tested tomorrow, a rapid HIV test.  But my flu wouldnt have lasted this long, no way a common flu can last 3-4 weeks correct?
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Dunnlopez,

Stop thinking about it, you are far to deep into it! If I had a fever, I dont think so. I personally find it a bit redicilous that they call such a common thing as fever as a symptom. Average person has a flew every year and a few times around it a dripping nose with a sore throat.

Think wbout the statistics and think about how often you won something reasonable at a lottery. And since this thing is freaking you out so much go and get tested even if it is not completely conclusive but it will be a good indicator and it should calm you down. You can also google where you can do a RNA test, I heard that they detect on a completely different base and can see it after 2 weeks or so. It might be pricy, however I do think that at the moment you are totally not productive and spend your hours day and night searching the internet for an answers, so the price of the test might be worth it, get out of it, get a RNA test, get a antibody test aswell and you will sleep like a baby.   Then to sleep even a bit better you will repeat the test after 3 months.

Relax, meditate a bit and STOP THINKING ABOUT THESE RIDICULOUS ARS NONSENSE even if you had a fewer of 105 degrees could be anything!!!

Maybe you had the Mexican Flew :) and you cured it :)


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Thank you nurse girl.  To be honest I did feel very ill, but I was scared to buy a thermometer because I felt like if I had a high fever I felt like I for sure would have had HIV because my other symptoms were so similar so I was scared to take my temperature.  Then after two weeks of feeling awful I went to the drug store and bought one.  It is possible that my fever could have dropped during ARS right?  How long does a high fever of 101 last during ARS, can it last up to 2-4 weeks which is the estimated timeframe of ARS?  Do you think the fever would maintain through the entire ARS phase?  I know 99.6-99.8 is not considered a fever right?I know I am probably repeating myself but I am just so worried and I still have a strange feeling of malaise and my muscles continue to twitch.  I know I am asking so many questions but please let me know.  Thanks for everyone's help

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You would know if you had a fever of 101 or higher, you would have been very ill.  Pretty much ANY symptom can be associated with ARS, there are many and they vary a lot.  Not to mention that a majority of newly infected people never even GET symptoms.  You have to put your "symptoms" out of your mind and get your anxiety under control.  And, the very WORST thing you can do is search the internet.  You will find all kinds of misinformation that will scare you to death.

Until you get tested, there isn't anything else we can tell you.  Go out and enjoy life in the meantime...your chances of being infected are minimal.
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symptoms...or lack of symptoms...are never a way to judge your status.  the same symptoms associated with ARS, can also be from normal, everyday illnesses.

you have been advised to test...and THAT is the only way to know your status.
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Thanks a lot for the reassurance legendariusz.  Did you have a fever when you thought you were going through ARS?  I only measured my temperature once when I suspected this and it was one degree above normal body temp.  But i feel like my temperature could have gone down.  I really dont know, it was about 2 weeks into it
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Hey,

First thing you need to try to do is: relax and stop using the internet in this state of mind.
You are feeding you anxiety with this. While everybody is telling you your symptoms are nor ARS and chances are incredibly low you go into discussion. I totally understand you, you are having panics about it.

I will try to calm you down with some statistics, it worked for me I am in a simular situation and waiting for my windowtime to pass, in a week it will be 50 days and I go and check

Statistics; she was a Brazilian girl, statistics say that 0.05% of the people are HIV infected, its a simular number in the US. So lets say you were to meet 1000 Brazilian girls on that subway station only 1 would be dangerous, how unlucky would you have to have to meet her, but ok let's say you were the unlucky one and met her.
The chance to get infected by Insertive anal intercourse is, according to Wikipedia, 6.5 persons out of 10.000, lets say 1 person will catch it if 1500 infected girls will have anal intercourse with 1500 healthy guys.

So even if you were the unlucky one to have picked up the 'chosen one' on the subway station among the 2000 girls, you would have to be the really "unlucky" one again to catch it. Chances are incredibly small so just relax and get tested for your own nightrest to eliminate that small 0.X% left.

Dont let it lead your life. I also am in my window period and have a sore throat, a cough, full nose headake, sounds like a normal flew, it also matches the symptoms as they say with HIV, however these symptoms are basically found in anything. I walk around with the simular issue like you but try rationalize it a bit more.

good luck
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Thanks nursegirl,

When you say my symptoms are not typical of HIV at all what do you mean?  I could have had a high fever before I measured my temperature.  I read that fever during acute HIV can go up and down.  What else that I described is not typical of acute HIV?  Please let me know because I thought everything i felt were common symptoms of HIV from the research I did.  Thanks

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