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Lies, Damned Lies & Statistics
It is good to know a healthy debate transpired on this subject by Dumbo, Teak, et al, while I was sleeping, literally.
I thought Dr. Bob had chosen his words very carefully when answering a question on HIV risk and statistics, for everyone to understand, but sadly it is evident that this subject is still causing confusion and angst.
I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Bob, who has a considerable amount of experience and expertise, with his whole life devoted to the subject. I for one would not even attempt to challenge his views or have any reason to do so.
The reason why we find the often quoted HIV transmission risk alien or confusing is because these risks are generalized to "route of exposure", i.e. anal, vaginal, oral, etc, and applicable to all population samples. In any given situation, there are many other factors which can have a bearing transmission, such as, viral load, viral strain, host immune system and genetic disposition to HIV and other factors such as duration of exposure, type of exposure etc. Damn, if we think about it hard enough even the colour of bed-sheets, position of the moon/sun, and high/low tide could be a variable : ). Each specific situation is different and would have its own level of risk associated with it. Realistically, we can
I thought Dr. Bob had chosen his words very carefully when answering a question on HIV risk and statistics, for everyone to understand, but sadly it is evident that this subject is still causing confusion and angst.
I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Bob, who has a considerable amount of experience and expertise, with his whole life devoted to the subject. I for one would not even attempt to challenge his views or have any reason to do so.
The reason why we find the often quoted HIV transmission risk alien or confusing is because these risks are generalized to "route of exposure", i.e. anal, vaginal, oral, etc, and applicable to all population samples. In any given situation, there are many other factors which can have a bearing transmission, such as, viral load, viral strain, host immune system and genetic disposition to HIV and other factors such as duration of exposure, type of exposure etc. Damn, if we think about it hard enough even the colour of bed-sheets, position of the moon/sun, and high/low tide could be a variable : ). Each specific situation is different and would have its own level of risk associated with it. Realistically, we can
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I must say....That *WINDOW CALCULATOR* is hilarious !
It should be posted to FDA /CDC, maybe they'll even go ahead and approve it and put it up on www.fda.gov / www.cdc.gov....
looks like some kinda a ready reckoner designed for HIV window !
It should be posted to FDA /CDC, maybe they'll even go ahead and approve it and put it up on www.fda.gov / www.cdc.gov....
looks like some kinda a ready reckoner designed for HIV window !
Well, "LOGIC" seems to be the most "FU'd " up word to be used with a person like you but I will try to reason out.
Dude, can you even take yourself seriously anymore. Forget, other people taking you seriously.
"Not knowing status is 1 thing , testing and knowing is another". You are so screwed in the head that you are repeatedly coming and posting ur million test results over here again and again. Do you think you are helping other. What kind of help is that to a person who tests at 4 weeks and want to see some hope at the end of the tunnel. You are imposing ur stupid irrationality over people who are already in deep anxious state. You are nothing more than a mean ******* who wants to break world record for testing. You don't have any consideration for other forum users and you are still here for yourself and nothing you say is intended to help others.
I am happy that you are out of your troubles(congrats for that!!) but please stop troubling others with you absolutely ":F'ed up" behavior. To be honest, with your track record, anyone with a sane head on his shoulders should not even care looking at your posts as they hold nothing valuable. Man, do you see what you have become. You are coming up with your(home brewed) own absolutely screwed up Window Period BS. In 1 of my other posts I wrote this forum has become a psycho dweller where 1 psycho creates 1000 others. I am yet to figure out whether you are the creator or createe.. Man...stop posting n get on with watever ie..ur life.. get it back on track. Get urself rid of this "freak show" u FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK!!!!
Note: "All insults really intended". And, I think in a sick way "you like being called a freak"
Dude, can you even take yourself seriously anymore. Forget, other people taking you seriously.
"Not knowing status is 1 thing , testing and knowing is another". You are so screwed in the head that you are repeatedly coming and posting ur million test results over here again and again. Do you think you are helping other. What kind of help is that to a person who tests at 4 weeks and want to see some hope at the end of the tunnel. You are imposing ur stupid irrationality over people who are already in deep anxious state. You are nothing more than a mean ******* who wants to break world record for testing. You don't have any consideration for other forum users and you are still here for yourself and nothing you say is intended to help others.
I am happy that you are out of your troubles(congrats for that!!) but please stop troubling others with you absolutely ":F'ed up" behavior. To be honest, with your track record, anyone with a sane head on his shoulders should not even care looking at your posts as they hold nothing valuable. Man, do you see what you have become. You are coming up with your(home brewed) own absolutely screwed up Window Period BS. In 1 of my other posts I wrote this forum has become a psycho dweller where 1 psycho creates 1000 others. I am yet to figure out whether you are the creator or createe.. Man...stop posting n get on with watever ie..ur life.. get it back on track. Get urself rid of this "freak show" u FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK!!!!
Note: "All insults really intended". And, I think in a sick way "you like being called a freak"
Alex73, I agree with what you said exactly. I think some of us (like myself - not sure if you read my post about being scared of results) just came here to find piece of mind while waiting for results. I am just having routine testing done for prenatal purposes and my motherly worrisome instinct has kicked in. I came seeking just piece of mind through statistics that turned out to be extremely low risk for a heterosexual woman at 32, with a past of 5 unprotected long-term monogomous relationships. My likelihood is 1 to probably 4 million... but anything is possible. Like you said 1 and 1000 chance of being shot by a loaded gun, etc, is still a risk. Completely agreed. I don't use the statistics as a way to go out on sex ventures thinking I can only get HIV 1 in 4 million... and I truly hope people don't think this way.
o_g,
Why are you here ?
for fearful, feaky behaviour, see your own post;
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/192.html
Wow ! two DNA-PCR's....you beat me !
Still having the neuropathy ? I would have thought with all your tests and the logic you apply to every situation, you would have moved on by now.
A little kindness wouldn't go amiss.
If you believe my behaviour is so freaky..why would it bother you so much ?
Maybe it tugs at your own fears ? After the way you've spoken to me, I hope so.
Why are you here ?
for fearful, feaky behaviour, see your own post;
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIVSupport/messages/192.html
Wow ! two DNA-PCR's....you beat me !
Still having the neuropathy ? I would have thought with all your tests and the logic you apply to every situation, you would have moved on by now.
A little kindness wouldn't go amiss.
If you believe my behaviour is so freaky..why would it bother you so much ?
Maybe it tugs at your own fears ? After the way you've spoken to me, I hope so.
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