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Please sincerely advise. First time user. Insertive Oral Sex
Hello, good afternoon to all. Please kindly advise a worried individual. About a month and a half ago I received oral sex from a woman i barely knew. No other sex at all. She told me she last had sex with a man she had been cheating on her husband with 8 days prior to our encounter. I must point out that I have HSV2 which does make one more susceptible to HIV. I also have been on longtime Valtrex for daily suppression of HSV2 would that have any affect of my 2 negative 4gen tests @ days 17 & 30?
About a week after the insertive oral sex, I started developing abdominal & chest pain, muscle & joint point that to this day hasn't gone away and fatigue. I've lost about 8-10 lbs. I feel my lymph nodes achey. I tested with a 4th generation combo test on day 17 & 30, both negative. But symptoms still continue and Dr HHH & Dr don't consider 4 gen tests conclusive until after 6 wks.
Please advise on my exposure, symptoms, 2 tests their accuracy when I took them.
I've read many posts about oral sex exposures on this thread and every single response from the moderators is the same "oral sex is no risk, no one has ever been infected from oral sex, no need to test".
This is true for INSERTIVE oral sex but it's NOT true for RECEPTIVE oral sex. There's scientific, documented cases of HIV transmission from receptive oral sex in the medical literature. Which is not my situation but just something to point out. I don't understand why the moderators continue to say no one has ever gotten HIV from oral sex when I'm certain they know it has, extremely rare as it may be. I don't know if it's to calm our anxiety but it really making matters worse because it's being dishonest. It's keeping people from testing who should otherwise test if they engaged in receptive oral sex. Again, these cases of transmission were RECEPTIVE oral sex, not INSERTIVE.
Thank you all for what you do on this forum. Sorry for the long post, just a very anxious & worried individual that wants honest advice.
About a week after the insertive oral sex, I started developing abdominal & chest pain, muscle & joint point that to this day hasn't gone away and fatigue. I've lost about 8-10 lbs. I feel my lymph nodes achey. I tested with a 4th generation combo test on day 17 & 30, both negative. But symptoms still continue and Dr HHH & Dr don't consider 4 gen tests conclusive until after 6 wks.
Please advise on my exposure, symptoms, 2 tests their accuracy when I took them.
I've read many posts about oral sex exposures on this thread and every single response from the moderators is the same "oral sex is no risk, no one has ever been infected from oral sex, no need to test".
This is true for INSERTIVE oral sex but it's NOT true for RECEPTIVE oral sex. There's scientific, documented cases of HIV transmission from receptive oral sex in the medical literature. Which is not my situation but just something to point out. I don't understand why the moderators continue to say no one has ever gotten HIV from oral sex when I'm certain they know it has, extremely rare as it may be. I don't know if it's to calm our anxiety but it really making matters worse because it's being dishonest. It's keeping people from testing who should otherwise test if they engaged in receptive oral sex. Again, these cases of transmission were RECEPTIVE oral sex, not INSERTIVE.
Thank you all for what you do on this forum. Sorry for the long post, just a very anxious & worried individual that wants honest advice.
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I don't understand what distinction you're trying to make. Receptive oral sex means receiving oral sex, and there has never, once, been a single case of HIV infection from that activity. You will not be the first.
Regarding GIVING oral sex, there have been a handful of documented cases - IN FORTY YEARS. This, in epidemiological terms, is statistically insignificant. Statistically insignificant = no risk, for any evaluation purposes. HIV experts never recommend testing following an oral event, so I'm not sure what your quarrel is, but it seems to be based on some technicality rather than on any scientific principle. Anyone who concerns themselves with a 1 in 1-2 million risk for ANY disease is not acting rationally.
As an aside, no one who gives advice here is a moderator.
Regarding GIVING oral sex, there have been a handful of documented cases - IN FORTY YEARS. This, in epidemiological terms, is statistically insignificant. Statistically insignificant = no risk, for any evaluation purposes. HIV experts never recommend testing following an oral event, so I'm not sure what your quarrel is, but it seems to be based on some technicality rather than on any scientific principle. Anyone who concerns themselves with a 1 in 1-2 million risk for ANY disease is not acting rationally.
As an aside, no one who gives advice here is a moderator.
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Sorry, as i said, I'm a first time user.
Maybe I have my references wrong. Google has receptive oral sex as the giver because they're receiving the other person's genitals into their mouth, and insertive oral sex as the recipient because they're inserting their genitals into the other person's mouth.
In any case, my concern is my symptoms and how they coincidentally started right after my encounter. I tested negative with a 4th gen @ 17 & 30 days, but i still feel muscle & joint pain and have rashes on my forearms, and feel fatigued throughout the day.
You're right, maybe it's irrational but nothing is rational to someone who's worried about a potential life threatening illness. I hope you can understand. Sorry for any mixup.
Do you have any advice or comments on my original exposure and the details I provided about my symptoms, the testing I've done so far, and what I said about HSV2 & Valtrex? Thank you.
Maybe I have my references wrong. Google has receptive oral sex as the giver because they're receiving the other person's genitals into their mouth, and insertive oral sex as the recipient because they're inserting their genitals into the other person's mouth.
In any case, my concern is my symptoms and how they coincidentally started right after my encounter. I tested negative with a 4th gen @ 17 & 30 days, but i still feel muscle & joint pain and have rashes on my forearms, and feel fatigued throughout the day.
You're right, maybe it's irrational but nothing is rational to someone who's worried about a potential life threatening illness. I hope you can understand. Sorry for any mixup.
Do you have any advice or comments on my original exposure and the details I provided about my symptoms, the testing I've done so far, and what I said about HSV2 & Valtrex? Thank you.
Your symptoms, if they concern you, should be evaluated by a doctor, but they have NOTHING to do with HIV. Someone gave you oral sex, which is absolutely zero risk for HIV. Maybe you have a medical issue, and there's no way for us to determine that. We can only tell you you don't have HIV.
Muscle and joint pain, and rashes, aren't generally indicative of a life-threatening illness. You're blowing this out of proportion. Nothing to do with receiving oral sex.
Muscle and joint pain, and rashes, aren't generally indicative of a life-threatening illness. You're blowing this out of proportion. Nothing to do with receiving oral sex.
Thank you for the response. So far, I've had a CBC that shows my WBC was slightly below (3.4 K/uL) the normal range (3.7-11 K/uL), Diabetes test, EKG. Repeat CBC 2 weeks later that came up slightly but still below the lower normal range of 3.7 K/uL. So my WBC is still showing below the normal range, which is what is also concerning me. Doctor wasn't concerned about it.
I know this is beyond the scope of this forum, this is just for reference. When he told me the results of my 30 day test, he said "I think you're clear man" and wasn't at all concerned but did offer 6 week repeat test just to be on the safe side.
Sorry to bother you will all this, just hard to believe all these issues started after one episode of oral sex.
I know this is beyond the scope of this forum, this is just for reference. When he told me the results of my 30 day test, he said "I think you're clear man" and wasn't at all concerned but did offer 6 week repeat test just to be on the safe side.
Sorry to bother you will all this, just hard to believe all these issues started after one episode of oral sex.
The oral sex does not have anything to do with the other problems. It is because of hiv fixation that you are wasting so much time trying to connect these unrelated events.
It is like eating eggs for breakfast then getting a cancer diagnosis later that day and trying to relate the 2.
It is time to move on from self-diagnosis - your thought process is a classic example of why self-diagnosis is usually incorrect.
It is like eating eggs for breakfast then getting a cancer diagnosis later that day and trying to relate the 2.
It is time to move on from self-diagnosis - your thought process is a classic example of why self-diagnosis is usually incorrect.
You and CurfewX are absolutely correct. Since this whole ordeal, I've been nonstop googling HIV symptoms and testing. It's affecting my everyday life to the point of losing my appetite and just wanting to sleep to forget about it. The constant stress is what's getting to me, and I'm not sure if that's what's causing my symptoms like the widespread body pain and skin rashes. I just wish I had more confidence in my 2 negative tests.
Anyway, thank you both for your responses.
Anyway, thank you both for your responses.
You didn't test for WBC the day before the oral. If you did you would get the same result you got now. The fact that doc isn't concerned should help you move on, since you don't have any medical training.
Just to update, I tested again negative w/ 4th gen test @48 days. Do you think I can consider myself conclusively negative? I still have ongoing muscle aches and occasional achey lymph nodes.
Please also comment on the fact that I was on long-term Valtrex before taking my test @17 days but stopped the day before to get accurate result in subsequent tests. So tested negative @ day 17, 30, & 48. Please offer any opinion or comments. Thanks in advance to all.
Please also comment on the fact that I was on long-term Valtrex before taking my test @17 days but stopped the day before to get accurate result in subsequent tests. So tested negative @ day 17, 30, & 48. Please offer any opinion or comments. Thanks in advance to all.
There are no guidelines for a placebo test and no one here is going to make fake guidelines.
You haven't accepted any of the advice on this forum (see below quote) and keep telling us that we are wrong and you know better, so I'm not sure why you are asking about your irrational testing program.
"I've read many posts about oral sex exposures on this thread and every single response from the moderators is the same "oral sex is no risk, no one has ever been infected from oral sex, no need to test"."
You haven't accepted any of the advice on this forum (see below quote) and keep telling us that we are wrong and you know better, so I'm not sure why you are asking about your irrational testing program.
"I've read many posts about oral sex exposures on this thread and every single response from the moderators is the same "oral sex is no risk, no one has ever been infected from oral sex, no need to test"."
Forgive me but in one of your more recent comments, you told another user he had "no risk" and can always do what he did without any risk. The user engaged in unprotected receptive anal sex. One of the mods even commented that you must've misread the OP's risk and closed the thread. Instead of condescending responses, you could just answer users' questions or not respond at all. People are here because of worry. A lot of responses make people feel worse.
You didn't engage in anal so it is false equivalency to try to connect this advice to you with the one where I made a mistake.
I mistakenly read ONLY Curfew's advice stating the words semen spray .... then jumped to the conclusion that he didn't have anal, just spray of semen - my mistake was I didn't bother reading the person's story, (which was quite DUMB on my part so I never do that normally,) but in no way does it have any bearing on my advice to you.
Not sure what you mean by condescending - your situation is straightforward that you had zero risk - all you have to do is read all the advice you have been given on this thread and "on the MANY posts that you have read on this forum."
You continue to tell us that you are the only one who understands hiv risks, and if you find my repeatedly pointing that out to be condescending then there is a mixup in communication - on your part.
I mistakenly read ONLY Curfew's advice stating the words semen spray .... then jumped to the conclusion that he didn't have anal, just spray of semen - my mistake was I didn't bother reading the person's story, (which was quite DUMB on my part so I never do that normally,) but in no way does it have any bearing on my advice to you.
Not sure what you mean by condescending - your situation is straightforward that you had zero risk - all you have to do is read all the advice you have been given on this thread and "on the MANY posts that you have read on this forum."
You continue to tell us that you are the only one who understands hiv risks, and if you find my repeatedly pointing that out to be condescending then there is a mixup in communication - on your part.
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