To teak and Lilly

[hereinc64]

It seem pretty over confident to say that there is no risk with oral sex , how come both of you can state such things where a lot of webs state the other way.

I respect your community work though do not understand why you state no risk for things like oral where a lot of doctors do ?

Is it a community idea fight , is it self estime , do you have figures case studies etc...

Do not get me wrong , just want to undertand

tks

[Teak]

Do some research by reading the following.

No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS:  Volume 16(17)  22 November 2002  pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan

Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542

[nursegirl6572]

Here we go again.

We've all had this same conversation over and over.  There was just a thread about this about a week ago.....do some searching.

To be brief...oral sex is classified, for example....by the CDC as a VERY minimal risk....want to know why?  Because THORETICALLY it is possible.  Medically speaking....."theoretically"....ANYTHING is possible.  Realistically, it is not.  There has not been one VERIFIED (not the same as "suspected" or "reported") case of HIV infection resulting from oral sex.

If you want to look at it logically...think of it this way.....how many oral sex encounters do you think happen daily?  Heck, hourly?  by the minute?  And I would guarantee that at LEAST 90% of those encounters are unprotected.  If oral sex was a true and worrisome risk for HIV, there would be dozens, hundreds, thousands of new reported infections all the time.  There aren't.

Doctors, and organizations have a RESPONSIBILITY to their patients, and to the public, respectively......to be cautious and conservative.  The posters on this forum do not have to be conservative.  We can more or less be flat out to the point.  You see the difference?

So, sure...you can say that there is a minute risk associated with oral sex, but the "risk" is so negligible, that it might as well be zero.  It just is not a risk.