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mm and oral sex

Hey everybody:

I had MM and oral sex. She made me oral sex and used some lube to masturbate me. I'm not sure if the lube was "pure" or the one combined with blood-vaginal fluids. Even if the lube had some blood(not visible but maybe there was some blood since I fingered her in the a**) this MM remains as "no risk" activitiy?

I'm quite sure this didn't happen but what if(and its a huge what if) I rubbed my uncovered penis into her a**(covered with lube and maybe some human fluids)? Even though a no risk activity?(since frottage is not a risk activity)...

Should I be worried or is nothing to care?

I'm very ignorant about Hiv/aids and I would be very thankfull If someone send me some link or bibliography so I can read more about hiv/aids...thank you so much

By the way there was no penetration.
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Why would the lube be covered with blood and human fluid? A prostitute did that to me too few days ago, and she said it was lube especially for sex or something.
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186166 tn?1385259382
transmission takes place INSIDE the body...when a PENIS is inside a vagina / anus.

now kindly move along...you do not have a hiv concern
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lizzie, getitright and nick, feel free to answer
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Sorry for being so rude, I was worried. Now I'm calm(I think). Just one last question. I'm not circumcised, and since HIV can infect the cells on the inside portion of the foreskin...Even if the girl had blood combined with lube when she masturbate me why is this a "NO RISK" activity?, there is blood, urethra and foreskin involved...again thank you for your answer, hope you understand that I was worried as hell
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What sucks is you not taking time to read the replies that were given to you.
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This simply sucks...if I want to know why, you guys simply say because i said so. You teak keep saying "HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host." But when you read something that YOU don't like, then you ban me. I just found a quote that agrees with you sometimes and completely disagrees in other things. I'm worried because there are two serious hiv/aids pages and one of the gives wrong information (Don't know wich one). Anyway, ban me if you want but before you do that tell me why the UCSF page is wrong
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http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-10-20  ---> They say the same as teak "HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host."


http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-09-11 --->They say "The only caveat would be to avoid using cum as a lubricant when wanking each other, since this could get it into the urethra."

And thats why I'm worried and confused because if there was some blood (In my case of course) and this blood got into the uretra why remains as not risky? I've read also that you can even use cum as a lubricant(aidsmeds), and even there thats nothing to worry. Why is this so contradictory? I think both pages are serious

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No risk.
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Thank you teak. I got to say I'm worrier about the mm, uncovered penis, lube, blood, frottage and all that stuff than from the oral sex. Still no risk?
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No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.

There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD

"I am sure you can find lots of people who believe that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK

"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK

in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA

"HIV is not spread by masturbation, through oral sex, through kissing or other casual contact." Dr. Hook

"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
"I would not say your risk ,if he had HIV is "slim to none"- that's too high.  I would say they are effectively zero.  How much of his ejaculate or other genital  secretions you may have swallowed makes no difference.  EWH "
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I would like the advise of Lizzie or Teak...thank you
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