Hey Alex, good question. A regular blood test typically won't detect regular HIV. If you are newly infected, your white cells could be slightly elevated, but most physicians would just assume that is from some infection (mostly bacterial). When you do a regular CBC (complete blood count), the only things you get back are the number of red cells, the average size of each red cell (Mean cell volume), the hematocrit, the hemoglobin (measures the cells oxygen carrying capacity) and a differential, which is listing of all of the different WBC types and how many you have. The WBC types are lymphocytes (T and B cells), neutrophils (impt in fighting infection), monocytes (also impt in infection), eosinophils (impt to fight allergens and parasites), and basophils (impt in inflammation). In the differential, the physician is not automatically given the CD4/CD8 count as that is a specific subset of the T lymphocytes. If someone was in advanced end stage AIDS, the blood might show some anemia, low cell counts overall, but there are other explanations for this and would not necessarily point the physician to suspect AIDS. An important history taking in patients is crucial and this would lead physician to maybe suspect and order an HIV test.
Anemia, with those that are infected with HIV/AIDS is usually caused by their medication, such as with those that take Epivir .
In HIV, there is something called ITP, immune mediated idiopathic thrombocytopenia, where HIV causes the body to produce antibodies that can attack platelets and red blood cells. This can also cause anemia, completely separate from the medication issue. I suppose this was too molecular and scientific for you to know Teak.
regular blood test can be nothing~!
No, it isn't. It's just not the major cause of anemia in persons with HIV/AIDS. Medication is the leading cause of anemia in people with HIV/AIDS.
A CBC and WBC will not tell a doctor that you have or don't have HIV.
Thank you for restating exactly what I said in my first post to Alex555. You are very good at copying. I didn't say meds were not the major cause of anemia, because I know that they are. There is also ITP, which is very common and when present in a patient, an appropriate sexual history should always be taken to determine HIV risk. That came straight, word for word, from notes by an infectious disease doctor. Care to contradict him or did you want to regurgitate some more of my responses and pass them off as your own. When you post, its a good idea to add something to a thread, not simply restate.
ITP, is not specific to persons with HIV. The number of individuals in the United States with ITP has been estimated to be approximately 200,000. In adults, about three times more women have the disease than men. In children, the ratio is about even. It affects all age and ethnic groups. There are about 100 new cases of ITP per million people per year. Approximately half of the new cases are in children.
I'm glad you can look at the CDC stats. However, nothing that I said in my post contradicts anything in your post. I never said ITP is specific to persons with HIV, simply that people with HIV have higher rates of ITP than the normal population. When dealing with a patient (which you apparently have not done) who presents with symptoms of ITP, they should be evaluated for concomitant immunodeficiencies, of which HIV is one. It is common practice with infectious disease and primary care doctors to evaluate a patient presenting with ITP for HIV, not in children, but adults. This is especially true in MSM and IV drug users. In children, ITP usually follows infection with any variety of common childhood viruses. Nice try, but again Teak, you prove no one wrong.
"Thank you for restating exactly what I said in my first post to Alex555. You are very good at copying."
I only speak the truth. It's becoming easier and easier to do so. You haven't contributed any comments in a while, you been busy? Come back, you are missed.
Yes a bit busy these days. Its nice to be wanted here...finally. :)
You confirm alot of what I have been saying for a long time here (i.e. lying, agenda, fear mongering, bitterness etc.). I have only been speaking the truth too but nobody wanted to hear it. So it is nice to sit back and read your posts and watch you make him look bad without you even having to direct your replies to him.
My intentions truly are only to stop the spread of false information that gives people the wrong idea about their risk/testing, etc. I never set out to reveal any agenda by Teak, but it appears that is what is happening, and if it stops him from spreading false information, then I am OK with that. Glad you are back.
Of course you didn't. I could see that. I have been the same but he always pounced first and I simply rebutted....oh...without the dork part though.
"Its nice to be wanted here...finally. :) "
"Of course you didn't. I could see that. I have been the same but he always pounced first and I simply rebutted....oh...without the dork part though"
dude, i have seen you calling people idiots. I actually saw a post where u said something like "thats typical christian mentality" just beause that person didnt agree with you. That shows your hatred and racist mentality.when i went through your previous posts, you pretty much picked fights with almost everyone and lot of people gave it back to you, e.g. Lizzie Lou etc. You never contribute anything useful to this forum and are just here probably because nobody pays attention to you in real life and are jealous of teak. you need to calm down and take this hate somewhere else. u have just one agenda, "teak-bashing". it is totally unfair to someone who is trying to help here unlike you who is just raking up useless issues and constant self-bragging about how you proved teak wrong. you didnt prove anything. you are just making an *** out of yourself.
I don't know if you can't read either, but regularjoey has contributed many valuable posts to this forum, all of them supported by scientific evidence which he has cited in his posts. As far as criticizing the Christian mentality, this is not racist or hateful. A lot of people, including myself, disagree with the fundamentalist Christian mentality, which only impedes sexual health and maintains the stigma against HIV positive individuals and homosexuals.
As far as Teak is concerned, I will do no more bashing of him on here, but proving him wrong is not hard. Very simple actually.
who mentioned anything about regularjoey anyway? i agree most of the time with what regularjoey/DrStupid says. he is way too helpful to this forum and i know his comments are valuable. I am not surprised because he is a PhD himself and probably knows ins and outs of his work related to HIV virology.
that post was for dumbo anyway. you probably couldn't read. [email protected]
comment at christian fundamentalism. may be you should have paid attention in your english class.READ WHAT I WROTE TO DUMBO AGAIN and confirm what you have understood from that statement with atleast three or four native english-speaking persons and THEN please comment. ROFLMAO
I don't quite understand your comment about paying attention in my English class. Not only did I get a degree in Biology and Chemistry, I also took several religion courses, but it doesn't take religious courses to see that Christian fundamentalists are an obstacle to reducing the stigma of HIV, getting people tested, and stopping the spread of STDs. Anyone can see that abstinence only policies are ineffective and money would be better spent on sex education. Time and time again the abstinence policy of Christian fundamentalists has failed. Look here in GA, where there is state mandated abstinence teaching. Georgia, especially here in Atlanta, has some of the highest rates of HIV, STDs, and teen pregnancy in the country. I don't see what my comment about Christian fundamentalism has to do with paying attention in English class either. I can barely understand the English in your post, so maybe reword and I can answer your questions.
I hope you have come up from ROFLYAO, and if so, you can read this, in proper English. I understand what it is that dumbo posts, and I understood his post that you cited. It was not nearly as difficult to read as your post, which completely lacked punctuation or a point. Have a wonderful day. English and grammar classes are usually available for a discounted rate at your local community college.
"I can barely understand the English in your post"
Yes no wonder, since, even though you are apparently a PhD, you still have not mastered the English language. Commas, capitalizations, and periods help once in a while. I have said all I have to say to you. You are turning into another Teak, with your short curt responses like ROTFLMAO. Have fun doing that.