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PVC's and/or VENTRICULAR BIGEMINY
I am a 42 year old male, very active. Recently lost a great deal of weight. After a very nerve racking 2 weeks, I have been diagnosed with Ventricular Bigeminy or also PVC's. I have had every test, given what seems to be gallons of blood and am being told that my heart is chemically and physically healthy, but this is just something that I will need to live with. In this day of medical miracles, etc., I have a hard time thinking that I just have to live with this, but if that is the way it is, so be it. My question is this, I am wondering if there are any vitamins, etc., that I can take that may help these to not be so bad. I know I can take Atenolol, but that is a stronger BP med and if would only control, if there is some vitamin or something less harmfull, I would like to try that. Also, if there is anyone who is reading this that suffers from the same thing, I would love to hear from you as to how you are dealing with these. I have been given the OK to return to my regular 6 day a week work out schedule and so I do plan on doing that. I would just appreciate any advice that anyone can give me.
Thank You...RDLOVE
Thank You...RDLOVE
I'am glad the Doc responded to your statement on the fish oil etc. I have "suffered" from pvcs for 17 years and outside of pharmacalogical{sp}means there are no real cures.I've tried them all believe me I have and no vitamin or supplement known is more than a relief to a lucky few. No research backed study in a reputable medical journal to date has shown otherwise and I wish they had!! Over the years I believe I have had at times the world"s most expensive urine from all the things you mention and more and still the pvcs are there and then gone for a while only to return again.So listen to the research and realize your cardiologist may be trying his best to allow you to use mind over matter to help yourself and all those supplements are likely no more than that.
Magnesium Oxide 400 mg has worked wonders for my PVC's and A-fib. It may work for you too. Although I must say that my Magnesium level was low prior to taking it.
Doctor,
One study is NOT enough to discount several observational studies. Don't just discount fish oil based on ONE study. Tell your patients about this study along with several observational studies regarding fish oil. They deserve to know all studies, even if they conflict each other.
And to gaspipe who wrote: "I'am glad the Doc responded to your statement on the fish oil etc. I have "suffered" from pvcs for 17 years and outside of pharmacalogical{sp}means there are no real cures.I've tried them all believe me I have and no vitamin or supplement known is more than a relief to a lucky few."
Well, do you realize that there are studies that shows that people with PVC's who take medications have greater mortality than those with PVC's that don't take medications? Does it mean that we should stop giving drugs to all of them? NO!
That is exactly the same idea with fish oil. Just because a single study finds increased arrythmia (VT in particular) doesn't mean fish oil is no good. I argued that it reduces cardiac mortality and the doctor didn't say anything about it in that new study. He may explain more.
Drugs and supplements ONLY work if patients RESPOND to them. Keep that in mind. For example, my mother takes Prozac and responds to it well while my friend took it and didn't respond anything to it. Patients with nutritional deficiencies will respond to supplements or diets but it turns out that there's a possiblity that some people need greater amount of nutrients to make it work optimally.
-jeff
One study is NOT enough to discount several observational studies. Don't just discount fish oil based on ONE study. Tell your patients about this study along with several observational studies regarding fish oil. They deserve to know all studies, even if they conflict each other.
And to gaspipe who wrote: "I'am glad the Doc responded to your statement on the fish oil etc. I have "suffered" from pvcs for 17 years and outside of pharmacalogical{sp}means there are no real cures.I've tried them all believe me I have and no vitamin or supplement known is more than a relief to a lucky few."
Well, do you realize that there are studies that shows that people with PVC's who take medications have greater mortality than those with PVC's that don't take medications? Does it mean that we should stop giving drugs to all of them? NO!
That is exactly the same idea with fish oil. Just because a single study finds increased arrythmia (VT in particular) doesn't mean fish oil is no good. I argued that it reduces cardiac mortality and the doctor didn't say anything about it in that new study. He may explain more.
Drugs and supplements ONLY work if patients RESPOND to them. Keep that in mind. For example, my mother takes Prozac and responds to it well while my friend took it and didn't respond anything to it. Patients with nutritional deficiencies will respond to supplements or diets but it turns out that there's a possiblity that some people need greater amount of nutrients to make it work optimally.
-jeff
im 5'3, 100lbs
i take
fish oil 1000 mgs
coq10 50mgs
vitamin b complex (the recommended dose on the bottle dont remember the mgs.)
magnesium oxide 500mgs
i dont know how much they help with my pvc's because i still have my bad days and good days, i think the magnesium helps alot with the pvc's , the vitamin b complex helps for energy and i take the coq10 and the fish oil as more of a preventative measure because i have heart disease in my family. im only 18 and have alot of pvc's i cant even imagine what they are gunna be like when im 30.
atenolol is a strong medicine and usually doesnt even work well with pvc's. when i started taking atenolol right away i got like 6 pvc's in a row, i had never had pvc's in a row before...i was having constant pvc's while taking it so it didnt do any good for me.
kim
i take
fish oil 1000 mgs
coq10 50mgs
vitamin b complex (the recommended dose on the bottle dont remember the mgs.)
magnesium oxide 500mgs
i dont know how much they help with my pvc's because i still have my bad days and good days, i think the magnesium helps alot with the pvc's , the vitamin b complex helps for energy and i take the coq10 and the fish oil as more of a preventative measure because i have heart disease in my family. im only 18 and have alot of pvc's i cant even imagine what they are gunna be like when im 30.
atenolol is a strong medicine and usually doesnt even work well with pvc's. when i started taking atenolol right away i got like 6 pvc's in a row, i had never had pvc's in a row before...i was having constant pvc's while taking it so it didnt do any good for me.
kim
Hi jeff I'll make some follw up comments and rest my case. As a healthcare provider myself I often "observe" things when treating patients however I realize my observations are likely just that..my observations; and may be the result of other unknown factors. So clinical recommendations must be based upon scientific evidence gained from well documented and well conducted research. Incidently the one study I know of that showed antiarrthymics are dangerous in patients with certain arythmias was the CAST study and I believe this study was done on patients with known cardiovascular disease. In patients with pvcs and structurally normal hearts as verified via testing some antiarrthymics do not pose a greater risk. Just my humble opinion and nothing more .As I said i've been there and done it all. And i'll keep trying...
Well as the originator of this conversation I hope I have not started a big old fight here. :-)
I appreciate all comments, believe me I do.
At this point I am sort of feeling cheeted since I have worked so hard and come so far in bettering my health that to be faced with this now seems to be a real set back for me.
However, that being said, because I have worked so hard I am not going to throw in the towel over this. I returned to my health club this morning for the first time and it felt great! I was a little scared, but I did it.
Also, it wont hurt me to try some of the things mentioned if I decide to and I greatly appreciate everyone comments.
I still welcome anything else anyone else has to say or contribute.
Thanks,
Rick
I appreciate all comments, believe me I do.
At this point I am sort of feeling cheeted since I have worked so hard and come so far in bettering my health that to be faced with this now seems to be a real set back for me.
However, that being said, because I have worked so hard I am not going to throw in the towel over this. I returned to my health club this morning for the first time and it felt great! I was a little scared, but I did it.
Also, it wont hurt me to try some of the things mentioned if I decide to and I greatly appreciate everyone comments.
I still welcome anything else anyone else has to say or contribute.
Thanks,
Rick
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