Tetracycines and Calcification

[Karonnie]

My echoc in 1993 says Aortic valve appears tricuspid the valve is thickened. It appears to have quite a reasonable excursion. The peak gradient across the valve is slightly increased 16mm/Hg. Cardiac chambers are of normal dimension Left & right ventricular contractibility normal. Impression: Very mild mixed aortic valve disease Normal biventricular contractibility.
I have a recent echo from 05 age 34: The aortic valve was probably bicuspid in morphology in particular from the parasternal long axis view, however in some of the short axis sections the morphology was more suggestive of tricuspid valve. Peak aortic valve gradient was in the region of 24mm/Hg with mean at 12mm/Hg.  The left ventricular cavity was normal in size. Left ventricular contractility was hyperdynamic with ejection fraction in the region 55% Left atrium was normal Right heart chambers were normal size with normal systolic function The aortic root at valve measured 32mm There was moderate dilation of the aortic arch with maximal diameter 46mm The descending thoracic and abdominal aorta were normal in size. Impression Morphologically abnormal aortic valve In some views it is more suggestive of tricuspid rather than bicuspid and definitely a tricuspid valve is not excluded. Normal cardiac chamber dimensions with normal systolic function with hyperdynamic left ventricular myocardium. Moderate aortic arch dialation. I've been taking doxycycline for 7 years i'm wondering with the studies on the use of this if this has affected my valve calcification in a good way.I also showed positive to CPneumonia 3yrs ago

[rodderss]

Thanks for your email giving me the edta tetracycline info - I have  seen similar literature before. The most famous one being the publication of the first 250 clients who tried the chemo. I got mixed results like you said that I might and the radiologist said that there was no change. I pointed out that the overall calcium scores looked the same which in itself meant that at least there had been no increase in calcium - he could not explain why there had been a shift in the distribution of the calcium - one of the articles you gave attempts to explain this. I am proceeding with the chemo which is basically 3gms EDTA and 1gm of tetracycline per day taken in two doses morning and evening - the EDTA is packaged in gelatine capsules to kill the terrible taste and will be tested again around June 06. The chemo is experimental based on the base ingredients used by the group in Florida.
I have little or no side effects and am able to maintain my hobbies of bush walking/running despite warnings from cardiologists - I am 65 years old - if thats any help for anyone considering joining me on this chemo trial. Please find results and info on www.useoursite .com/for_Heart

[Karonnie]

Hi Rod

Glad to hear there's others in the loop (especially another Aussie!) regarding these advances in arterial calcification considering they have been utilised with such positive responses in regards to other bodily calcifications for at least over the 10 years that i've been following the research - including oesteoarthritis.

I'm not sure if you're aware of the rate of natural increase in your CAD yearly - I just wanted to make sure that when you do have your next scores done you are not overly negative if the result isn't as startlingly positive as you'd hoped - I think the website i've quoted above discusses this? I have read on occasion the positive reduction can almost be outweighed by the negative natural progression - according to the studies anyway - your doctor / cardiologist can probably give you an idea of this for your age group etc. I will however forward some files via email I received from one of the researchers on the Nano bacteria team for your interest if you don't already have them.

Can I ask also - as I'm hoping to get my parents on this regime as my father has just undergone bypass surgery and my mum like me suffered Rheumatic Fever as a child and has valvular damage which is becoming increasingly stenotic as well as CAD - is the Chelation therapy (are you just doing it without the tetracycline? Are you going to try it with the tetracycline if your results aren't as promising as you hoped?) available on the PBS, and what is name of the brands here or did you purchase it online from the US websites which are now selling it as a supplement?

Best of luck and my fingers and toes are crossed that you will have a noticeable reduction in your next scores!

Lets get behind this research instead of putting more money in the pockets of those pharmaceutical company's only wanting to make money out of supression of our symptoms and not resolution! Sure it might not be for everyone but something as simple and non invasive as this has to take precedence over other more invasive techniques as a first line approach - surely the earlier treatment is started the better the results.

[rodderss]

Just noticed the the correspondence on Tetracyclines and Calcification. I am currently undergoing clinical trials using EDTA and Tetracycline and I am having a followup calcium score on 27/02/06. I will be posting the result good or bad on my site http://www.useoursite.com/for_Heart. I have been on the EDTA chemo for 8 months and added tetracycline two months later. I noticed that an Australian was a correspondent which was an encouragement
since I medical people here are pessimistic about the treatment  for what seems to be no logical reason.

[MaryRoe]

Thanks so much, Karen.  I am getting into that site now.  

Woman's intuition (gut feeling) that there are other things  out there that also causes  calcification other than a "lipid problem"....I have calcification seemingly everywhere so I must investigate all my options.  We all need to be our own health advocates or we can end up taking a dirt nap sooner than later. (-:   Thanks again.  Good Luck To You.

[Karonnie]

Hi again Maryroe

Just thought i'd give you this link.  This was the Doc I was referring to. The url is linked directly to the case studies within the website in detail.

http://www.heartfixer.com/Nanobacterium/NB%20-%20Case%20Studies.htm

Best of luck
Karen

[MaryRoe]

I asked this very question to the CC doctor and he indicated there was no way to get rid of calcification in the heart arteries.  I am very interested in the Tetracycline issue in this regard.

Can you tell us the name of this doctor who is having results with this antibiotic?

Thanks

[Karonnie]

Has anyone else ever seen this on their echo that may be taking an antibiotic from the tetracycline family for any reason?

Why did I have a "THICKENED VALVE" - stenosis in 1993, and I know I had calcification the next year (a report I can't get hold of!!) because the techician told me!  Now all of a sudden I don't?  This is what i was asking............. My valve disease went from Mixed valve disease to only AR??  Can anyone else comment on this?

For those of you that are interested there are multiple studies - mainly in the US - using tetracyclines for the control and or removal of calcification in many areas of the body including the heart, arteries, liver (from cirrohsous - spelling!!) and kidneys as well as osteoarthritis.

There is one cardiologist who has been using it with his inoperable patients and had positive success - in not all but some of his patients.

[Karonnie]

Hi there!

It's so great to hear that other people are now listening to this, I doubt many pharmacuetical company's (and am worried surgeons may even be a little hesitant).  The studies have been going on for over 10 years that I am aware.  I became first aware of this when I was reading up on the infectious theory of arthritis and stumbled upon what is defined by most users as AP therapy.  Then the drug was being used against Osteoarthritis as well now it amazes me the other forms of calcification within the body they are having positive results such as the kidneys, liver and as you are aware the arteries.

I live in Australia and pretty much was given the antibiotics mainly to shut me because I came in with a new study every time (this is now a "legal" Disease modifying Anti Rheumatic Drug - DMARD prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis in the US)  and because my "arthritis" which wasn't really! was so well under control - or usually in remission for often years at a time - which I know now why! I know now why I noticed such an immense change at the start - 1 started with a parallel dosage of 10 day penicillin.  You should have seen the Jerisch Herxheimer effect it gave me! That is a worsening of the symptoms because the antibiotic is attacking the antigen.

Anyway apparently tetracyclines are best for the use against arterial damage aparently as they are finding these "nanobateria" within them. Often Chylmidia Puemonia is found within the calcification what i've got, in heart valves. Funnily enough my blood recorded antibodies for this in 2003 - which now makes sense.

I have since spoken to some of the scientists involved in these studies and they have conferred that often patients are finding resolution with other areas of calcification within the body that were not being directly "treated" in the study.

If you search online using these words "EDTA" & "tetracycline" &  "chemotherapy" you will find a huge amount of information. Often a study that has been published will have the names of the scientist's involved - often with links to their direct email address.  I hope this is helpful.

Please I urge you to follow up on this. This is not a scam and while every one doesn't seem to get the same results it could eventually save your life or costly surgery, it's definately worth a try - the antibiotics itself is an extremely gentle drug which has been around for over 80 years so there's lots of knowledge of it's contraindications etc. They give it to teenagers for acne and elderly people for brochilitis for goodness sake! I didn't use any of these other supplements (I was using a lot of vitamins and minerals though) and I am amazed.  Apparently this treatment is only about 4 -8 weeks with the additional medications, you will have to weigh up the pros and cons.

Best of luck!

[heartygirl]

I guess if you are quick enough you can!  I didn't realize it could happen either!

[cristabelle]

Just curious,can one person post two questions on the same day like this individual did??

[CCF-M.D.-MJM]

Hi Karonnie,

Sometimes it is difficult to tell if a valve is bicuspid or tricuspid, but the studies agree that it has mildly elevated gradients accross the valve.  I don't know of a study that shows that doxycycline decreases the rate of valve calcification.

Thanks for posting.