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Hawthorne???
I am getting desperate for relief from these PVCs and VT. I am going out of my mind. My last resort was the ablation that I had Dec 8th which I feel didn't work. I have been told that it may be some time, like 3 months before i know if has worked. I am a pretty pesimistic person though. My quality of life has gone way down. We were planning on taking a cruise in June but I am too afraid to be far from the hospital..i am feeling or imagining all kinds of things in my chest since the ablation. I obsess so much that it turns into a panic attack. I have been feeling tightness in my chest and some pain on and off. I never had those symptoms before the ablation. I only felt a rapid heartbeat and PVCs before the ablation. Anyway, I am getting very good tips on this forum and plan to try some of them after talking to my EP on Jan 14th. I had heard that something called hawthorne or hawthorne berries could be helpful in minimizing the palpitations (pvcs and vt). Does anyone know about this or tried it? Can hawthorne be used with nadolol and xanax??? Is there anything I should avoid if i try hawthorne??? I am desperate and any help would me much appreciated.
I have been dealing with what are at time severe PVS for more than 10 years. First, you have to learn to not panic. The anxiety attack makes them much worse. Breath in... breath out..
I have found taking a twice daily dose of CoQ-10 and L-arginine helps me significantly. I also take a daily does of potassium and magnesium. You need to get a test of your electrolytes.
You should find a does of potassium and magnesium that keeps you at the high end of the normal range and don't let your sodium range too high. Twice a day I take 200mg CoQ-10, 2-3 grams of L-arginine, a "baby aspirin", 400-500 mg potassium and once a day, 250mg of magnesium. I really think this helps. Try to get moderate exercise every day (walking etc, light cardio), your condition is likely "resting PVCs". Don't let your self get dehydrated and avoid stressful situations.
I have found taking a twice daily dose of CoQ-10 and L-arginine helps me significantly. I also take a daily does of potassium and magnesium. You need to get a test of your electrolytes.
You should find a does of potassium and magnesium that keeps you at the high end of the normal range and don't let your sodium range too high. Twice a day I take 200mg CoQ-10, 2-3 grams of L-arginine, a "baby aspirin", 400-500 mg potassium and once a day, 250mg of magnesium. I really think this helps. Try to get moderate exercise every day (walking etc, light cardio), your condition is likely "resting PVCs". Don't let your self get dehydrated and avoid stressful situations.
Hawthorn and digoxin may be co-administered safely. Also, as an herbalist, I can tell you Hawthorn is slow to take effect. Results don't often show until the 6 month mark. But, once it kicks in, it works well.
I am sajid, AGE 38, suffering pvc from last one year.
my all tests are clear but pvc is not leaving me.
doctor recommended beta blocker and i used but no benefit in pvcs.
then i read on net about hawthorn berries so i discussed with one homepathic doctor and he said
crataegus Q is made with hawthorn berries and it is heart tonic in homeptahic medicines world.
i am using it and i feel 50% reduction in PVCS.
it is said that dont use beta blocker with hawthorn berries.
So just wanted to share my exp with you.
have a nice day.
my all tests are clear but pvc is not leaving me.
doctor recommended beta blocker and i used but no benefit in pvcs.
then i read on net about hawthorn berries so i discussed with one homepathic doctor and he said
crataegus Q is made with hawthorn berries and it is heart tonic in homeptahic medicines world.
i am using it and i feel 50% reduction in PVCS.
it is said that dont use beta blocker with hawthorn berries.
So just wanted to share my exp with you.
have a nice day.
Hi Brooke
I decided to try the hawthorn on my on after checking on of the links for high blood pressure cures. I have no expectation of its efficacy as a PVC suppressant, but I thought it might help my diastolic BP.
It is an expensive formula but they listed the active ingredients, which are hawthorn, celery seed extract, parsley leaf and capsacium, so I purchased all of them and take one capsule of each with my evening snack. I take my Digoxin in the am, so there is a 8-10 hour time lapse between the two, if that has any bearing on possible interactivity.
I send the same supplements to my 85 year old uncle in Florida and it's helped his BP quite a bit. He has no arrhythmia issues.
The reason I didn't tell my doctor about it is that he takes a dim view of supplements in general.
I decided to try the hawthorn on my on after checking on of the links for high blood pressure cures. I have no expectation of its efficacy as a PVC suppressant, but I thought it might help my diastolic BP.
It is an expensive formula but they listed the active ingredients, which are hawthorn, celery seed extract, parsley leaf and capsacium, so I purchased all of them and take one capsule of each with my evening snack. I take my Digoxin in the am, so there is a 8-10 hour time lapse between the two, if that has any bearing on possible interactivity.
I send the same supplements to my 85 year old uncle in Florida and it's helped his BP quite a bit. He has no arrhythmia issues.
The reason I didn't tell my doctor about it is that he takes a dim view of supplements in general.
My mother used to have very irregular heart beats and A-Fib. She took Hawthorne Berry and it always helped her. I have tried it, but dog-gone it, I have so many allergies and sensitivities, I just can not take it. It works opposite on me, but, then, most things do, such as Paxil, it made me twice as anxious, so now my docs tell me to exercise when I get anxious. Having this type of "problem" is no fun, I get all excited about trying things, only to find out I have a reverse reaction.
On the subject of Hawthorne Berry, I believe it has the same properties of "dig" it is an herb, so is "dig" actually the digitalis is from "foxglove: another herb. Herbs are great, but, I feel they should be used under a well qualified doctors supervision as they are the next step right below drugs. What can be a live saver for one can be a death sentence for another. It is also an anti-oxidant, and if you like berries such as Pomegranate, you can get the same benefit from those. Now, that is something I CAN take, I drink four ounces a day, and you know what, since I have, my PVC's have gotten lots better, and, believe this or not, since I have been more aware about drinking water and have increased my intake, that too, has helped. Sure, I still get them, but not like I have in the past.
Bottom line, check with your cardiologist on whatever you decide be it Hawthorne or herbs, then, you will be more educated as to what to do.
On the subject of Hawthorne Berry, I believe it has the same properties of "dig" it is an herb, so is "dig" actually the digitalis is from "foxglove: another herb. Herbs are great, but, I feel they should be used under a well qualified doctors supervision as they are the next step right below drugs. What can be a live saver for one can be a death sentence for another. It is also an anti-oxidant, and if you like berries such as Pomegranate, you can get the same benefit from those. Now, that is something I CAN take, I drink four ounces a day, and you know what, since I have, my PVC's have gotten lots better, and, believe this or not, since I have been more aware about drinking water and have increased my intake, that too, has helped. Sure, I still get them, but not like I have in the past.
Bottom line, check with your cardiologist on whatever you decide be it Hawthorne or herbs, then, you will be more educated as to what to do.
Hello...
Because of its similar actions on the heart, hawthorn may potentiate (make the drug more active) the action of cardiac glycosides and may interfere with digitalis or digitalis monitoring. Hawthorn may also enhance the effects of digoxin
Hawthorn may also cause a hypotensive effect when used in conjunction with beta-blockers.
Are you using this with the advice of your cardiologist or Primary care Dr?
Because of its similar actions on the heart, hawthorn may potentiate (make the drug more active) the action of cardiac glycosides and may interfere with digitalis or digitalis monitoring. Hawthorn may also enhance the effects of digoxin
Hawthorn may also cause a hypotensive effect when used in conjunction with beta-blockers.
Are you using this with the advice of your cardiologist or Primary care Dr?
Hello...
Awwww, what a nice thing to say:) We're happy that you have joined us and even happier that you are reaping the benefits!
Ventricular Bigeminy is when a normal beat is followed by a PVC in a continuous pattern it would look like this ----->Normal,PVC,Normal,PVC,Normal,PVC etc. I apologize for not explaining what RVOT-VT is (Right Ventricular Outflow Tract-V-Tach) the symptoms are what you would experience with VT.
You mention being unfamiliar with all the lingo you see being thrown around here *lol* Sometimes I forget that not everyone is well versed with all this talk. For your reference, if you go to the top of this page, upper right you will see a link to "Health Pages" if you click on that you will then see a list of various pages. Among those pages is a list of Acronyms related to the heart. If at anytime you are not familiar with certain abbreviations, there is a wonderful list there that will most likely help you.
Potassium & Magnesium are both drugs. If you aren't deficient I wouldn't recommend taking them. Our bodies like to be in what's known as Homeostasis, from the Greek words for "same" and "steady." It refers to any process that living things use to actively maintain fairly stable conditions necessary for survival. Anything that alters this balance can spell trouble. So, if your electrolytes are within a normal range, you would not want to throw of this normal balance by taking supplements.
As for my tricks...I have been searching for the "magic wand" I wish that I had that answer for you. If you notice an increase of symptoms during ovulation, than you may want to give the "pill" a try. You should most definitely inquire about having your hormone levels checked (simple blood test)
I'm sorry that your ablation experience was so traumatic. There are many types of procedures. The most common type is for SVT (supraventricular tachycardia) an arrhythmia occuring in the upper chambers (Atria). Of the ventricular arrhythmias, many of them are done with the origin of the VT coming from the right ventricular outflow tract (this is where mine was coming from). Sometimes, ectopy can come from the left ventricle. Many Dr's will not even go there...this being the left lower chamber is also better know for the "pumping chamber"
I don't think this early in your recovery, a reputable Dr would even consider performing another ablation. I will be very interested to hear what he has to say at your Jan 14 appt. Please keep me in the loop:)
As far as the comfort you take in knowing that you aren't alone....You'll never be alone again! That, my friend, I can guarantee you!
Awwww, what a nice thing to say:) We're happy that you have joined us and even happier that you are reaping the benefits!
Ventricular Bigeminy is when a normal beat is followed by a PVC in a continuous pattern it would look like this ----->Normal,PVC,Normal,PVC,Normal,PVC etc. I apologize for not explaining what RVOT-VT is (Right Ventricular Outflow Tract-V-Tach) the symptoms are what you would experience with VT.
You mention being unfamiliar with all the lingo you see being thrown around here *lol* Sometimes I forget that not everyone is well versed with all this talk. For your reference, if you go to the top of this page, upper right you will see a link to "Health Pages" if you click on that you will then see a list of various pages. Among those pages is a list of Acronyms related to the heart. If at anytime you are not familiar with certain abbreviations, there is a wonderful list there that will most likely help you.
Potassium & Magnesium are both drugs. If you aren't deficient I wouldn't recommend taking them. Our bodies like to be in what's known as Homeostasis, from the Greek words for "same" and "steady." It refers to any process that living things use to actively maintain fairly stable conditions necessary for survival. Anything that alters this balance can spell trouble. So, if your electrolytes are within a normal range, you would not want to throw of this normal balance by taking supplements.
As for my tricks...I have been searching for the "magic wand" I wish that I had that answer for you. If you notice an increase of symptoms during ovulation, than you may want to give the "pill" a try. You should most definitely inquire about having your hormone levels checked (simple blood test)
I'm sorry that your ablation experience was so traumatic. There are many types of procedures. The most common type is for SVT (supraventricular tachycardia) an arrhythmia occuring in the upper chambers (Atria). Of the ventricular arrhythmias, many of them are done with the origin of the VT coming from the right ventricular outflow tract (this is where mine was coming from). Sometimes, ectopy can come from the left ventricle. Many Dr's will not even go there...this being the left lower chamber is also better know for the "pumping chamber"
I don't think this early in your recovery, a reputable Dr would even consider performing another ablation. I will be very interested to hear what he has to say at your Jan 14 appt. Please keep me in the loop:)
As far as the comfort you take in knowing that you aren't alone....You'll never be alone again! That, my friend, I can guarantee you!
I have been taking Hawthorne for the last couple months. I wish I could say that it helped with the palpitations but I can't since it hasn't. I think it has helped with my blood pressure but not significantly.
So my question to Brooke is since I take Digoxin, is Hawthorne contraindicated? Please explain the interaction. Thanks.
So my question to Brooke is since I take Digoxin, is Hawthorne contraindicated? Please explain the interaction. Thanks.
Brooke, You have been wonderful. I am so glad that I found this website and you. You are very knowledgeable. Can you explain what bigeminy is? What are your symptoms with RVOT-VT? I am not familiar with all of this terminology.
I will ask my EP on the 14th but i feel like he would rather rush into another ablation. I am starting to think doctors just take guesses at things until they get it right. I don't think he agrees with the natural approach....Do you think a homeopathic dr would know better or should I stick to traditional doctors? I know that different things work for different people so I am willing to try anything.
There are people who say potassium, magnesium, electrolytes and other non-drug things work. In your experience, what do you see as the most effective "trick"??? I have definately nailed it down to when i ovulate. it seems to trigger it. I did post about that and you did say that might work. i just wonder if getting my hormones tested and treat the hormones is better than trying an ablation again as mine was the worst experience I have ever had. NOT to scare anyone...there are different types of ablation from what I hear. My problem is in the lower ventrical which i guess is hard to get there. I am hoping that it wasn't a blind guess and that it isn't in another part of my heart where they didn't look...Sorry to ramble on...I am just so frustrated as it seems like many people on this forum are. It is comforting to know that there are people going through the same thing.
I will ask my EP on the 14th but i feel like he would rather rush into another ablation. I am starting to think doctors just take guesses at things until they get it right. I don't think he agrees with the natural approach....Do you think a homeopathic dr would know better or should I stick to traditional doctors? I know that different things work for different people so I am willing to try anything.
There are people who say potassium, magnesium, electrolytes and other non-drug things work. In your experience, what do you see as the most effective "trick"??? I have definately nailed it down to when i ovulate. it seems to trigger it. I did post about that and you did say that might work. i just wonder if getting my hormones tested and treat the hormones is better than trying an ablation again as mine was the worst experience I have ever had. NOT to scare anyone...there are different types of ablation from what I hear. My problem is in the lower ventrical which i guess is hard to get there. I am hoping that it wasn't a blind guess and that it isn't in another part of my heart where they didn't look...Sorry to ramble on...I am just so frustrated as it seems like many people on this forum are. It is comforting to know that there are people going through the same thing.
Hello...
I had commented on your earlier post regarding your symptoms. I can relate to your frustration and feeling like your quality of life has suffered tremendously. My 5th procedure was for RVOT-VT this past Aug. I still have the dreaded problem of PVC's, sometimes occuring in bigeminy that can last for hours to days...not much fun:(
There are many who have confirmed reduction in PVC's while taking Hawthorn, this popular herb with many benefits. Studies have shown it to lower blood pressure and cholesterol. It increases exercise tolerance; and reduces the incidence of tachycardia and palpitations.
I don't use it so I cannot comment on it from personal experience. Hawthorn may potentiate the action of digitalis. If taking prescription heart medicine of any kind, consult physician before taking.
Good luck at your upcoming appt on the 14th. Let us know how it goes, as we have a vested interest in how our members progress:)
I had commented on your earlier post regarding your symptoms. I can relate to your frustration and feeling like your quality of life has suffered tremendously. My 5th procedure was for RVOT-VT this past Aug. I still have the dreaded problem of PVC's, sometimes occuring in bigeminy that can last for hours to days...not much fun:(
There are many who have confirmed reduction in PVC's while taking Hawthorn, this popular herb with many benefits. Studies have shown it to lower blood pressure and cholesterol. It increases exercise tolerance; and reduces the incidence of tachycardia and palpitations.
I don't use it so I cannot comment on it from personal experience. Hawthorn may potentiate the action of digitalis. If taking prescription heart medicine of any kind, consult physician before taking.
Good luck at your upcoming appt on the 14th. Let us know how it goes, as we have a vested interest in how our members progress:)
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