How enlightening to see a good old PAC sufferer her among dozens of dozens of people complaining about PVCs ;) Sorry, I'm kidding. I suffer from PACs too. And I take Metoprolol. I know exactly how they feel.
I agree with you completely. The brand "Corguard" is a nonselective beta blocker, nadolol, in the same family as propranolol, where Metoprolol is a selective beta blocker, it works only on the heart. The point is, nonselective beta blockers are far better against anxiety and adrenaline release, which usually is the main trigger for PACs (more than PVCs which are more often caused by something in the heart).
In my case, propranolol alone removed the PACs with high anxiety, but the heart rate got a little slow and PACs at rest increased. Metoprolol didn't help so much at my low dose (25 mg x 1 a day). So I asked my doctor if I could combine them, a little of each. That worked great for me. Less anxiety and almost no PACs.
I hope your expression "the PACs are killing me" isn't literally. They don't. But they feel devastating when they are at the worst.
Don't ask your doctor for anti arrhythmic drugs against a few PACs. First, I'm pretty sure he refuses it, and second, that can actually in worst case kill you. Those drugs may have really severe side effects (ventricular arrhythmias and cardiac arrest). So they are only used if they are really needed (uncontrollable atrial fibrillation or ventricular tachycardia).
Ask your doctor what he recommends regarding meds. If something worked for me, it's not a guarantee that it will work for you. And NEVER change meds without asking your doctor.
Take care, and remember that PACs are only dangerous to the mental health.
I would have to comment on the last sentence of 'is_something_wrong' post
"and remember that PACs are only dangerous to the mental health."
In recent years a number of studies that discredited the hypothesis that frequent PACs (more than 200 a day) are benign. One of them is "Frequent premature atrial contractions in stroke of undetermined etiology. " This study came to a conclusion that "frequent PAC (more than 200 a day) should be regarded as a masked type of paroxysmal atrial fibrillation and should be included in one of the causes of cardioembolic stroke."
And another study "Excessive supraventricular ectopic activity and increased risk of atrial fibrillation and stroke." This study came to a conclusion that excessive supraventricular ectopic activity (30 or more PACs per any hour on a 24 h Holter Monitor recording) in apparently healthy subjects is associated with development of atrial fibrillation and is associated with a poor prognosis in term of death or stroke."
"Electrocardiographic predictors of atrial fibrillation." is another study which indicates that PACs found on a routine ECG exam were predictive of new onset AF with hazard ratio of approximately 2 after correcting for age and sex.
There will be more studies like that coming out in the next few years, which will undoubtedly transform our view on PACs, from treating them as a completely benign finding to a an important risk marker for development of atrial fibrillation and stroke.
Thanks for your comment.
Well, to set off A-fib you need a PAC. That's similar with to make fire, you need a spark. But you also need wood. This "wood" is usually a left atrium that's dilated or hypertrophied (usually from high blood pressure over a long time) or damaged some other way. Yes, a perfectly timed PAC from the pulmonary veins may set off AF but in healthy people it goes away in seconds I think.
I don't think anyone doubts that in old people, an increase in PACs may predict an AF run. I believe, however, that in order to keep a good mental health, we should address problems when they occur. Which means in this case: Almost everyone have PACs (70% or more during 24 hours) but A-fib is extremely uncommon at age less than 50. Yes, if you have thousands of PACs each day, you are at risk for developing A-fib later in life, but that's something you can deal with if it happens?
I'd like to quote a doctor from the Expert Forum:
Problem: I have a lot of PACs. I'm afraid of A-fib.
You can think as follows: I'm afraid every day because the PACs may trigger A-fib.
Or you can think like this: I've had a lot of PACs every day but they still haven't triggered A-fib.
It would be interesting to see the research you refer to. Do you have any links to the articles?
Thanks for the response right now my heart doctor wants me to see a psch. doctor for the mental part of this. I still think the Metropol is making my PAC's worse and I do actually have some Corguard left from when they switched it. I need to call them and see if I can try a little of both. The PAC's are going on all day non stop where is before they only occured in certain situations. Man this is really tough situation.
I would try to write down specific triggers for the PACs. Some relevant questions are:
- Do they increase or decrease with aerobic exercise (running, walking, swimming, cycling, etc)?
- Do you drink a lot of coffee, or other caffeinated beverages?
- Do you eat a lot of sugar or chocolate? Does that worsen the PACs about an hour later?
- Do you smoke, or use other forms of nicotine/tobacco?
- Does panic, stress, anxiety or uncertainty make them worse?
- Do the PACs occur more often when you pay attention to them?
By the way, how do you experience the PACs? Skipped beats? Double beats? Long pauses? Something in the throat? Explosion in the chest after a PAC?
Please try to avoid all decaf products as well. There is still some caffeine in these drinks/foods. I have just ended a terrible 2 month bout of pacs and pvcs by discontinuing all decaf products. It has helped calm my heart down significantly.