Your example of the anxiety reaction of your heart was true, that sound exactly like an anxiety reaction.
But I dont see how that relates to viperron's question. There was not enough information given to even remotely say if it could be anxiety or not. Which I why I tryed to answer the question and not diagnoise viperron. Its the Dr's job to diagnoise people we can guide people to information and give oppinions but I just feel it better to air on the side of caution than tell people its anxiety. It more likly anxiety for sure but that does not rule other medical condition on top of the anxiety.
What did you say you do for your panic attacks? I suffer from panic attacks and severe anxiety as a direct result of my tachy and PAC's. I take atenolol 12.5mg QHS (a beta-blocker) to slow my rate down, but at times it still races. I too, am very Type A, as many of us seem to be on this forum:) I cannot increase my beta-blocker due to it decreasing my BP. My BP was very low before I started the atenolol. I also have asthma, so I am watched very closely. I take xanax 0.25 (usually half) when my heart races or my PAC's really throw me into a panic. I have yet to find the miracle cure for the panic attacks. You said something about the coffee bean?
I know that not all PVCs are related to anxiety, though mine (PACs, but anyway..) are. I also know, since none of us are doctors, it's always best to get a professional opinion (something I write in almost all of my answers).
My point was, if you are able to suppress palpitations with xanax, it's extremely likely that anxiety is the reason for them. A bit like if you can cure headache with physiotherapy, it's extremely likely the headache was caused by tense muscles.
Another point was, if you've had palpitations for 45 years, and the only thing suppressing them is xanax, it's obviously not a coincidence :)
I dont really agree maybe the heart problem was minor and xanax helped for a while till recently. Maybe some life changed changed things in ones body to make some thing els happen. Maybe 1 of million things could be happening.
viperron said the xanax got him threw but they drive him zonkers still maybe the xanax only sedated him enough to ignore them slightly to get threw. All I know is I was dealing with sensation in my heart all the time for 45 years I would go insane I swear I am only 35 and my palpitation drive me bonkers all the time when I tryed to lower my anti D meds I was dealing with 24 hour palpiation and gave up trying. I been feeling prety good latly since being on ivabradine so I tryed a day with lower anti D and I did not have 24 hour palpitation I was a little aggitated but no major palp's. Is that a coincidance, it says to me that maybe a huge percentage of my palps were controllable from my sinus node on my heart since ivabradine has shown to only effect the sinus node. Does this mean I was anxious most of my life or had a heart issues all my life I still have know idea I just know the meds work and that really all I care about at the moment is having a life with out palps and with energy.
Your not wrong for sujesting anxiety as reason but things change people get older and body change. Scientific brack threws happen new meds happen, things change, I see a phycologist as well as look for other reason for why I may being dealing with my symptoms because no matter what speaciallist you see you likly to get an answer but if the reconmended treatment has little effect for you maybe it time to seek a new speicalist oppinion in different area.
I have hayfever, skin allergies, food, intolerance, asthma, mental illness(depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD), I get restless syndrome, migraines, insomnia and proberly more lol. ALL of my symptoms overlap I never know what I'm going to have to deal with on daily bases it drive me nuts, and I hate medication. My Dr first thought my symptoms were related to the insomnia so she put me on sleeping meds. it help a litle with some of my symptoms, then she gave put on higher strength pain meds for the intence leg pain which has gotten so much better since being on ivabradine proberly because my circulation is so much better. The point is that just one of my symptoms (leg pain) was proberly cause by my insomnia and my tachycardia and also from depression meds(zyprexa) which is when it first started. One symptom can be made worse from several issues. I recently read that pain can contribute to tachycardia which could easily explain why walking caused very high tachycardia and why carrying stuff made the tachycardia worse again. Since going on ivabradine I have notice with more accuracy that when I get headach I tachy and once the pain meds kick in the tachy HR is so much better. Some time when if you have more than one illness it take longer to get a diagnoises due to the Dr's having to figure out what symptom belongs to what problem.
No they still do the trick, every time, it's just I hate being dependant on them and I only take them after the skips start which I believe is the trick. I do not take them the way the doctor wanted me to like 2 or 3 everyday. It's almost like my security blanket. Probably the only thing I do wrong is fighting taking a xanax, like yesterday my heart was skipping every 3rd beat for about 2 hours before I gave it and took a .5 pill, within about 35 minutes I was ok.
I would never want to take a benzodiazepinen drug 2 or 3 times a day. Have you thought about asking to try a Anti D med instead luvox(fluvoximaine melate) reduced my heart sensation. If your Dr thinks its anxiety at least in part an anti D would be a more productive way of dealing with them if infact anxiety is casing them.
Mum, I appreciate you trying to help me however sometimes I wonder if you are really reading what I'm writing,, I only take an extremely small amount of xanax, like less than .25 mg and only after I cannot control the skips any other way, I have never taken 2 or 3 in one day, not saying that I wouldn't. I'd take rat poison if it helped me escape that terrible feeling. And once again thank you for the feed back.....The next statement is for Rilesnic, I suffered from panic attacks for decades....skipped beats are a walk in the park compared to a full blown panic attack. I spend thousands of dollars and wasted hundreds of hours with our A typical doctors to no avail... I tried everything. Quite by accident I had a Cuban Doctor come into my retail store and explain that where he is from it is common knowledge that some people cannot use either the coffee bean or the cocoa bean, I stopped drinking my de'cafe and within 24 hours my attacks stopped. I have not had a full blown panic attack for over 15 years, it's just a shame one of the American doctors couldn't have advised me on this 20 years before. I have tried to share this story to a few people who suffer panic attacks and to my amazement they have not tried it. The only thing I can think is they have never really had a REAL panck attack.If this helps even one person I will be an extremely happy person.
I never said you were taking 2-3 a day I was agreeing with you and sujesting that maybe you try an anti D if you want more relife from the skip sensation. If anxiety is causeing the skip feeling an anti D is more likly to help control the feeling than a sedative. sedatives have a short half life and only hide the feeling anti D have a longer half life and produce the chemicals that are more likly to fix the skips if anxiety is causing them.
I have great sympathy for you and you medical system I'm lucky to live in australia where medicare pays for the the Dr's. I have also noticed from talking to many people in many countries that anxiety is often treated with only sedatives and thats a shame as australia has strict rule on sedative and there not use treat anxiety there to give tempary releaf from stress, anxiety, you never get just sedatives or sedative first when a Dr suspect anxiety.
I only take a small amount of my sedatives and I struggle to stay awake on them or not zone out I go threw a 25pack of 5mg of nitrazapam in 3month's.
I was trying to agree with you on sedatives I think its you that making assumtion I never said i disagreed with you.
If you have a healthy heart, and no heart disease how about you take nothing and move on with your life. Is there really such a thing as Inappropriate sinus tachycardia. I mean if they dont know what causes it, and dont know how to fix it (besides jack you up on beta blockers) then isnt it just how your body works. IST sounds like a oxy moron to me.
This coming from some one who rather get jacked up on cocain wow how you start asking for legal med's to deal with obvious personality problem.
You might want to keep the name calling to your self as it just make you look like the moron. As far as the oxy part you a wasting oxy...gen if you think what you said has anything to do with this thread.
I was prescribed cardizem for my bouts if skips and tachycardia. Its a Calcium Channel Blocker (type of beta blocker) and has helped me 100%. It seems that I had borderline High Blood Pressure which contributed to the A-Fib, PVC's, and fast heart rates in the morning after waking up and taking a shower. Its a 120mg 24hr extended release capsule, once a day.
I will say whatever I feel like, I dont need your permission to post whatever I feel like saying. I never said that lvabradine was a beta blocker, obviously you are taking words out of context like usual. Why dont you stick with your new prescription and go find another website to harass people. You think you know everything than why are you on this sight.
Obviously your severe panic attack are a response from your "great" personality and your wonderful out look on life. Maybe you should STOP writing in CAPS all the time to get your point across. Maybe you need an anger management class or could need the help of a psychiatrist to get that panic stricken mind of your out of the gutter, Don't hate on me because I try and answer a question about drug use. People have honest questions and need honest answers. So good luck with your lvabradine let us know how that works out for you
Here in America when you have tachy they usually give you beta blockers. That is what I meant, never did I say whatever the hell you are taking is a beta blocker, nor do i care. What drugs I have done in my past or will do in the future is real-event. Stop trying to act like you are the virgin mary and are the most perfect thing out there. I will comment on your meds as much as I want, although I really dont care about you or your meds. You are obviously desperate for satisfaction from this site, and its not working. Why dont you take your meds and stay off this site and get on with your life.
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WOW you are so perfect you are OCD, anxiety wacked out and majorly depressed. Sounds like you are in great shape!! We all should take the comments you make to heart especially since you have so many mental issues. Like I said, someone with mental health problems like you needs to be in a mental ward talking to a Psychiatrist.
Jondsam: I know I've been a little "pretending to know everything" here, I had a little chat with Mum2Four about it and I won't do that anymore.
Anyway, if I promise to stop this, it would be nice if you'd stop being rude, I believe all three of us have great knowledge and experience, we can help many people here feel better, but we won't if we keep flaming here.
Sounds as though everyone is a little testy tonight - some days I just have my 'cranky pants' on too!
We're all on here, I think, to support each other and to learn as much as we can from others who experience the same peculiarities we do. Since this is a site where we can talk to others who actually understand what we're going through, it'd be great if we can manage to keep it feeling like a safe environment.
I think both is_something_wrong and mum2four are right as i read their recent comments,they never talk like they were a medical officer or so,is_something_wrong does indeed suggestead anxiety as most causes but thats only after all necessary cardiac test are done and came back normal.As for mum2four,shes often right too,we should never just assume everything can be cause by anxieties not before one had seen a cardiologist and done all those test :) like they say we know our body more than anyone else,so hope to see both of you here more often.
Just wanted to add my personal opinion here. I think most who join MedHelp read the disclaimer that this is not a substitute for a doctor's advice, although I'm not sure everyone realizes that everything that is said may not be 100% correct. I am in school to be a nurse and when we talked about PVCs in class, they basically taught us that PVCs are a precursor to a more ominous ventricular rhythm....I was naturally scared to death after this! However, I talked to my doctor who said that they teach that to nurses because of the possiblity of them working in ICUs, etc. and that is better for a nurse(who can not order medicines) to be on the alert for these in order to alert the doctor(at which point the doctor decides the risk/plan of action).
My point is that even doctors can be wrong and this board should be used only as a possible educational tool, to hear from others who have personal experience or done personal research. Everyone's research/ experiences may differ but hopefully all have the same overall goal: to help.Any time I am unsure of my conditon, I may post a question or do my own research, but in the end I always run things by my doctor and if thats not good enough, I get another opinion.
I think people just need to calm down and realize that we are all here to help each other and share our experiences. If this becomes a hostile environment, then who is really going to come to this site for support? I know I wouldn't.
The majority of people on here have been of great comfort to me at one time or another, even if what they said isn't 100% right all the time.
Lets just remember what this site is for, because it has been a life safer for me and I'm sure for others as well. We just need to remember the goal is supporting each other because we are all dealing with these scary arhythmias and we can be each others BIGGEST comfort!
I thank all of you for your answers and support....ALL have been much appreciated!!
Have a Good Day Everyone!
Linda, a 'flamer' is someone who sends unpleasant messages on a thread continually, usually they are not really interested in the topic but rather just enjoy stirring up emotional reactions. Some kind of power & control issues, I suppose ;D
I always appreciate reading posts by Mum2four & Is Something Wrong because their knowledge seems extensive and I've only just begun actually trying to find out what's going on with this heart business. There are several regular posters on this site who have very helpful input and, for those of us who have finally accepted that perhaps we need some understanding of all this (me!), their comments are truly helpful.
To answer your question, I have suffered from IST since 2007, during which my HR would soar to 200bpm; I was told after an EP study that my heart was just sensitive to my own adrenaline but I had no underlying issues. Now cut to this year, and starting in Jan. I came down with 4K of PVCs daily with no known risk factors, that being said I beleive that the adrenaline is a major player with the PVCs because when I get stressed/ mad/ anxoius...they really rev up! I am currently taking a beta blocker but it no longer helps and I was told this is d/t the body making new receptors for the adrenaline. This would explain why yours calm down with xanax, this is a CNS depressant and can suppress the sympathetic nervous system which is responsible for "fight or flight" response and adrenaline release...thus reducing the PVCs if the cause/trigger is increased adrenaline.
I just took pharmacology and passed with an A so hopefully I am correct:)
Have a good day!!
I have wondered if a body can be addicted to it's own release of adrenalin. Do I sound strange lol. I wonder this because When I get really anxious and panic my heart rate and my other symptoms get better for while. It like my body needs or enjoys adrenalin lol. It took my Dr a while to accept me saying that I thought my anxiety was making it harder catch the tachycardia. It was a another dr that said he wanted me to go have an ECG right now when I was taking my sick 5y to see if needed meds. I also was not feeling 100% so I thought since my Dr was not working that day I'd see the same Dr's as my son at my old clinic.just incase I was getting what my son had. But when the Dr saw me wearing 2 watch I had to explain one was a pulse watch and that lead to me saying and I'm tachy right now and explaining stuff. He did like what I was saying nor that my heart rate had not come down it was still 145 when I got in the Dr but by the time I had the ECG about 20 min later it was lower at about 120 but still high enough to finally get a ECG to catch the tachy HR. It was really LUCK I feel. My Dr still cant explain it but even after 3 days in hospital it took till the 3rd for the tachy to start to really show its true self. I hate hospital never been admitted for anything but to have my kids. Then I a baby with me to distract me and rock another OCD compulsion.
Anyway just kind curious about addiction to adrenalin. I just seem to have backwards reactions lol.
Thanks! I worked hard for it...lol. That is my newest goal is to one day be able to say that I have lived through these things and be able to help others through my experience. I am hoping to be a cardio or Psych nurse:) as I have experience with Anxiety and PVCs.
Have a good day as well!
Couple things here: chronic Anxiety can cause a chronic release of excessive adrenaline/catecholines(like epinephrine,etc) and also cause an increase in cortisol(aka the stress hormone). I am sure you know that all of these can cause an increase in HR. I can get my Hr to 180 even on a beta blocker if I'm panicing. I even went into tachy after a stressful test in April. Adrenaline can be released anytime your stressed/anxoius. I do beleive that maybe your OCD/anxiety may make your palps/tachy worse at times. I know my anxiety makes my PVCs horrible....they recorded 300 in ONE hour one day when I was crying/anxious. This was because my PVCs were acting up and I was stressing about the numbers and amount as well as the symptoms. Also, I found that my anxiety can make me more "sick" feeling than the PVCs and if I get both in combo...then Im a wreck! I am currently workingon my anxiety issues because I beleive this has everything to do with my problems. The less I worry= the less the PVCs bother me:) So in conclusion, I think you are doing the right thing by getting therapy for your OCD/anxiety, Im sure the OCD provokes anxiety when you can't do your rituals and the anxiety in turn makes the heart race. My heart doctor told me that my heart could go 200 for an hour and would not explode:) As long as the tachy comes down within the amount of time the doctors alot and as long as it's sinus rhythm, I was told not to worry:) Hope this helps:) Have a good day!!!
gave me a giggle, imagining your being afraid of standing up... ;D
But I think you're right in suggesting that it is possible to actually be 'addicted' to adrenaline - from what I understand, the people who really love extreme sports are, in some way, addicted to the adrenaline they feel when they're jumping out of aeroplanes or off 200-ft cliffs or whatever. Don 't know if that's actually the case, but it was an interesting theory.
The other Thing that I wonder about is, what if adrenalin is not being producd properly and a panic attack is forcing my body to make what it needs so when I do panic it's correcting a lack of adrenalin. Like I might have adrenal fatiuge but panic is fixing the low adrenalin in my system or some thing.
According to normal values of adrenaline (and similar substances) in your blood, levels can double from sitting to standing position. This is probably why such blood tests are hard to do and usually give meaningless results (people are afraid of the needle, etc).
It's a bit strange, really, it seems the more anxious I am, the higher heart rate "jump" I get from standing up. If I'm relaxed and calm, I guess my heart rate goes from 60-70 to about 80 when standing up. If I'm anxious, it can go from 90-100 to about 140-150. I guess the explaination is that my nerve systems are a bit more "jumpy" and activated if I'm anxious, but this is just guessing.
Anyway, thanks for great support and nice comments, to all. And Nurse2b, grats on the A :)
I'm not scared of needle lol but I am scared of the attention from the person drawing my blood. I'm not a 100% sure what you trying to explain about the adrenalin and would like you try to explain a little better if you could.
My HR stays more stable after a panic attack I'm sure my HR go's up when I'm anxiety but it does not go as tacky after a panic attack its strange. So example might be that before a panic attack my HR might be spiking around 160 and after a panic attack it spikes to 130. I can also walk faster after a panic attack and dont feel as fatiuged either. My HR would return to normal much faster after a panic attack. It compleatly strange lol.
If you get a chance look up what I had to say about panic attacks, I think you will find it extremely interesting. I have been convinced for years that mine is an adrenalin problem but since I've quit using coffee my panic attacks have stopped, however when I eat chocolate I will still get a very mild attack. I believe that the skipped beats are related to my old panic attacks and will never stop trying to find an answer to our problem, I really believe there is an answer. Can you imagine how much money one could make if he or she could help solve this problem? In my " hey day " of panic attacks I would have given everything I own to stop them... some of the thoughts I had about not putting up with them anymore , I won't go into that. Thank GOD I am past those nasty things but still need to figure out the skips. Ron
I am defintetly going to research more on Panic/anxiety and PVCs, I beleive that mine are totally related! I stopped caffeine years ago because of the tachycardia I was having and I have no other risk factors besides the Anxiety problem. Also, I used to have a really high HR when I got nervous or felt that adrenaline rush, so now I beleive that my PVCs are another manifestation of this constant anxiety/ adrenaline coursing through my veins. i intend to research this further. Also I am looking to get into seeing a specialist at Barnes Jewish Hospital and I am going to demand that they find the cause of these dreadful things....hey it's worth a try! I agree, I will never stop either till I find an answer!
I dont know what I was reading at the time but I found it while researching my tachycardia. I read that IST is very commen in nurse's. I dont know why maybe its stress related or some thing but I did find that interesting. I wish I knew where it said that so i point you towards it but I'll have to keep thinking.
Old thread but maybe it will help someone: Last year I found out I needed a pacemaker for Bradycardia (slow heart and pauses) Soon after the pacemaker, I started having pvc's and I could feel my pacemaker pacing now and again. Both of those things together sent me into a tailspin of depression and fear. Just when I was coming to grips with the fact that things were going to be ok with my new pacemaker, my heart decided to go crazy. In mid conversation my heart would go from 60 to 140. Then back down for a min or two and suddenly go back up to 125. All of this will sitting or laying in the hospital. The nurse even noted that I wasnt agitated and in fact we were joking and having a nice conversation.
I was then put on metropolol/beta blocker. Life became even more miserable and my pvc's were getting worse. I went to the ER for what I thought was an injury to my shoulder and they put me on an ekg because I have a pacemaker. I was having a run of pvc's every 3 min. This lead to a nuke stress test, eko of my heart and so on. Well, during my overnight stay I found out my husband wrecked my car. Ironically, I had been given a very low dose of xanax 2 hours before I found out.......only 2 or 3 pvc's were found after that. This is day 3 of Xanax and I feel like I have a new lease on life. I'm not saying all of the pvc's are gone by any means.
I think the most important thing is to rule everything out FIRST. I am also going through menopause and that most certainly does have an effect on pvc's ect. I am now working towards a goal of getting off my beta blockers and hoping to use xanax for the bad days. Another thing, beta blockers will lower your blood pressure and in some people like me it lowers it to the point that you feel like you cannot function. In my case, between my pacemaker and the beta blocker I have gained 65lbs. Now, I know I can regain my life because I can exercise and get moving again without fear.
Another big thing...very very important! Get a second opinion even a third. My general physician kept saying metropolol may not be a good fit for me and she was correct. My cardiologist refused to take me off it. The cardiologist I saw today said it was lowering my BP too much and he agreed it may not be a good fit. Everyone is different! Get a second opinion. Get a third opinion if you need to. Don't live in fear that something is wrong with your heart.
I asked this exact question as I lay in the ER back in May with a jumbled up heart rhythm; a combination of PVC's, PAC's, with brief salvos of SVT thrown in between. First time in the 60 years I've dealt with SVT that I went to the ER for my heart rhythm. They gave me a small dose of Xanax (Alprazolam). Within an hour, I had nearly a normal rhythm back, and they cut me loose. Why, I asked my cardiologist who stopped by from his office, was this so effective. His answer was that Alprazolam desensitizes the adrenaline receptors that cause the arrhythmia. For me, it was very effective.
I started having the same problem about 2 months ago out of the blue. They wanted to give me blood thinners but I got scared with the side effects and refused. When I take an anti anxiety it seems to help it a lot.
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