HR protocol effect

[stef2011]

during 2010 i have taken various anti fibrotics antioxidants suggested in HR protocol thread avoiding those that might have an immune suppressive effect or interference with antivirals, no that i have reached hbvdna und or very low below 20iu/ml i am trying the full protocol of hepatitis technologis.
i am not sure if i will keep it since it is not known if it can interfere with etv+nitazoxanide or boosts its response so i will check hbsag, hbvdna and all other parameters very frequently.i also hope to have a faster decrease on fibrosis from 9kpa to 5kpa.

i am posting because i am so surprised about the effect on body power and mental strenght already from the first week of use at low dose (started full dose 2 days ago).

[stef2011]

But the doctor said I am healthy carrier......
you have cronic hbv and the only way to know if you are a healthy carrier with possibility of clearance is hbsag quantification by abbott architect and hbvdna pcr, all the tests you have done are useless, they only show you have hbv infection but they say nothing about phase of infection.you might find a more expert doctor or ask him for the tests i menthioned

Regarding with my test result sir, is it true that I am period of recovery?
probably not, your tests are just like most of cronic hbv infections, make the tests i said and we will know

Doctor said the virus were now sleeping and going to vanish........
bull***, do change doctor he cannot tell you what he dreams, what he says must be confirmed by tests.this is the way a doctor would talk about hbv 10-20years ago when there where only tests like the ones you did and no drugs for hbv.the viruses don't need to sleep...

by taking a balance diet avoid drinking liquors and smoking
this is very good and is a must on hbvers in order to avoid liver damage by toxic substances like alcool, fats and so on but it makes no difference to hbv infection nor does it cure it

[choeyy]

But the doctor said I am healthy carrier and she told me that I am now facing my full recovery period and I am hoping for it because I just want to work in abroad as I am INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN/MAINTENANCE for the Oil and Gas Refinery.
Regarding with my test result sir, is it true that I am period of recovery? Doctor said the virus were now sleeping and going to vanish when I follow the procedures given by taking a balance diet avoid drinking liquors and smoking.
I hope that you will give me a good points of view.

Thank you.

[choeyy]

Thank you and I will include the hbvdna pcr alt/ast  it for my next confirmatory test in Davao City.

[stef2011]

sorry but the doctor is quite ignorant you had no virus quantification test, by the way the tests for virus quantification are hbsag quantity in iu/ml by abbott architect, cccdna quantitation by biopsy, he didn t even check hbvdna replication which is not virus quantity but reflects the damage made by virus during replication

he just assumed the virus should not be enough because alt is 33 but unfortunately alt says nothing about virus it just says the liver damage is low in the moment you did the test, it doesn t confirm the damage accumulated by the years but if you always have alt about 33 every 3-6 months check you shouldn t have liver damage

these type of tests are useless and your doctor is wasting your money, after you know reactive or non-reactive you just have to monitor virus by hbvdna pcr alt/ast
HBS Ag (Auzyme) EIA  REACTIVE (23.53)                 COV 0.13      
ANTI-HBS (Ausab) EIA NON-REACTIVE (<5mul/ml 0)  COV 12.0
ANTI-HBc IGM             NON-REACTIVE (0 PEI u/ml)   COV 10.0
HBE (rDNA) EIA           NON-REACTIVE (O.00)           COV. 0.10

[stef2011]

sorry but the doctor is quite ignorant you had no virus quantification test, by the way the tests for virus quantification are hbsag quantity in iu/ml by abbott architect, cccdna quantitation by biopsy, he didn t even check hbvdna replication which is not virus quantity but reflects the damage made by virus during replication

he just assumed the virus should not be enough because alt is 33 but unfortunately alt says nothing about virus it just says the liver damage is low in the moment you did the test, it doesn t confirm the damage accumulated by the years but if you always have alt about 33 every 3-6 months check you shouldn t have liver damage

these type of tests are useless and your doctor is wasting your money, after you know reactive or non-reactive you just have to monitor virus by hbvdna pcr alt/ast
HBS Ag (Auzyme) EIA  REACTIVE (23.53)                 COV 0.13      
ANTI-HBS (Ausab) EIA NON-REACTIVE (<5mul/ml 0)  COV 12.0
ANTI-HBc IGM             NON-REACTIVE (0 PEI u/ml)   COV 10.0
HBE (rDNA) EIA           NON-REACTIVE (O.00)           COV. 0.10

[choeyy]

I am choeyy 28yo

Pwede po ba ito sa akin interferon+antivirals ?


Last July 30 2010 I had undergo for confirmatory procedure for my Chronic Hepa B and I founded out this ******* **** last 2008 when I applied for a abroad. The doctor said that I have had a very very low counts of virus when I got the results and it was a good news from me because the eagerness and willingness was had a good result. Before I took the confirmatory procedure. I always take a herbal medicines named Saito Herbal Medicines came from Japan. 6 capsules per day before meals and also ECARMA wonder herbal tree I boiled it and use as my daily water for body cleansing specialized to clean all the bacteria inside our liver and it will always cause you to peed and also helps you to loss your weight as well.
Here's the result taken last July 30, 2010

COMMUNITY HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT COOPERATIVE HOSPITAL (DAVAO CITY)

ANTI-HAV Igm EIA                                                    COV
HBS Ag (Auzyme) EIA  REACTIVE (23.53)                 COV 0.13      
ANTI-HBS (Ausab) EIA NON-REACTIVE (<5mul/ml 0)  COV 12.0
ANTI-HBc IGM             NON-REACTIVE (0 PEI u/ml)   COV 10.0
HBE (rDNA) EIA           NON-REACTIVE (O.00)           COV. 0.10


RESULTS                       SI                 NORMAL VALUE
SGPT, ACTIVITY C.       33.11             M: 0-41                   U/L


                                  ULTRASOUND REPORT

The liver is not enlarged with homogenous and slightly hyperechoic parenchymal echopattern. No focal mass seen. The hepatic borber is smooth. Portal veins and tributaries are not remarkable.

The spleen is not enlarged with homogenous echopattern. Neither discrete mass nor focal lesion seen. The splenic border is smooth.


IMPRESSION: Mild Fatty Liver
                      Normal Spleen

That's why I lose weight right now from 99kilos to 78kilos right now. I have my proper diet too.

Doctor said that I had a very low counts of virus and I do hope that next confirmatory by this month will have a good result.

Please pray for me guys out there.

[stef2011]

HR protocol lowered creatinine from 1.14 to 1.03 in 2 weeks, creatinine clearance from 112ml/min to 118ml/min, creatinuria from 1.86g/24h to 1.76g/24h.
i also added 90mg daily co-q10 to HR protocol 3 days ago

my point is to reach the minimum normal level for creatinine 0.95 which was my baseline value before starting therapy so that if i need to add tenofovir or increase nitazoxanide it will stay at that low level

nomral range from creatinine is 0.9-1.2 but any increase from baseline value might mean kidneys damage, creatinine clearance is also needed because creatinine is different according to age and muscular mass so a bodybuilder has normal creatinine even at 1.2-1.3

[stef2011]

i see they have posted new studies presented in boston conference, consider that the difference between hcv and hbv is not very much, but hcv is more aggressive on cirrhosis and liver cancer development
hbv has a toxic effect on liver too but less than hcv, there is poster presentation about hbv X protein and the way it blocks liver regeneration but oxidative stress is probably the main cause of fibrosis and liver cancer.
for example: my sister has had the same hbvdna load or higher than me but her liver is more healthy than pepole's liver without hbv (her fibroscan is 4.4kpa) despite this i developped cirrhosis.We have different hbv mutants for sure but also different oxidative stress and liver regeneration.

all boston posters:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_yFgxI8KNcROTM2ZjhhNDgtZDE5ZC00NzQ0LWJmZjYtNTEyNTc1NWUyNGMz&hl=en

reversal of hepatic fibrosis:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_yFgxI8KNcRODYzYzY4NzItMTkxNS00YTdkLThlMmItZmEzZWMzMzI1MjFm&hl=en

cirrhosis regression by antiviral treatment hbv and hcv:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_yFgxI8KNcRYTA2OTRkMmUtYzlmOS00MjgyLThmNjgtYWUyOWI1ZTJjYmFm&hl=en

http://www.hepatitistechnologies.com/studies/Cell%20Biology.pdf
http://www.hepatitistechnologies.com/studies/HCV09876.pdf
http://www.hepatitistechnologies.com/anti-fibrotic-therapy

[stef2011]

in my case i also need the pack for liver cancer, once you've had cirrhosis you are at increased risk compared to other stages and antioxidants are all proved to protect from liver cancer

[stef2011]

for the studies you have to check on pubmed, you put the substnce in the list plus fibrosis or cirrhosis or hbv and you should get the study, or just write substance and check all the list of studies

if the cost is an issue some of the items in the list can also be found in the diet and bought as food, anyway i think that coffee 3-4cups, bluberries, nac, soia powder or soia lecitin may be the strongest.In the FAQ they say that for a minimum fibroguard+another product i don t remember can be useful.
my suggestion is try diet first and if you see a big improvemnet you might try a minimum of products in the pack, of coruse a fibroscan every 3 to 6 months is essential to see fibrosis improvment, that's the only way, but i guess if you feel better from first month it is working anyway
in end stage cirrhosis improvement in platlets, PT, albumin might be a clear sign of improvment where fibroscan is not available

[stef2011]

i decided because the same items in the thread are in the package probably with better balance and dose
some of them did work to regress my cirrhosis earlier than 1 year, so i wanted to try it to fasten regression.

another problem is the way i feel, even if i regressed cirrhosis i wasn t feeling very well driving the car for long hours and distance and i wanted to restart swimming to lose some BMI but i didn t recover the power to go swimming every day or to work long hours in contact with clients
i am also concerned about the fact that my kidneys cannot stand tenofovir and that some substnces in the pack improve kidneys function too.Actually kidneys function is ok but in case of severe cirrhosis and fibrosis they can t tollerate less all the nephropatic drugs like tenofovir.they just presented a poster on this at boston....so in the very rare event of resistance to etv i would have no drug available for me

another point is that i want to see if i can increase the ntz dose with no sides, it looks like i cannot tollerate ntz 2g for long periods for creatnine increase on the contrary my sister on 2g ntz daily has had an improvment.of course when i talk about creatinine increase it is still within normal range from 0.9 to 1.1 but i prefer to have it always below 1.0 if possible

in italy everything is incredibly more expensive than in the rest of the world and that the package is even cheaper that one month nac only so actually i save money but in any case i am lucky because any price is not an issue at all.
if you have a cronic disease all drugs are free in italy but only those drugs correlated to your illness, when you buy them without healthcare coverage the prices are incredibly high

[xhzheng]

I suppose you are taking the complete package.Since it's a very expensive product, I am interested to know if you have done any research you can share with us and the reason why you decided to try it?

[stef2011]

just google hepatitis technologis

the HR thread is here
http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Hepatitis/HepResearcher-doctor-on-various-topics/show/38?cid=153

active hbv with inflammation and fibrotic tissue might benefit but not for inactive carriers with fibrosis f0 or fibroscan 4-5kpa
this might be very useful also liver cancer prevention in case of fibrosis.

they have trials and research projects on Fibromyalgia/CFS, hbv and hcv :
http://nutragroupinc.com/

[chrisintodepth]

Where can we find the protocol info about anti-fibrotics antioxidants and the hepatitis technologies?

I'm interested in learning about them.