Colloidal Silver

[tonerman]

Has anyone tried this to help with their Hepititis C
I an getting ready to start the interfrgen treatment one shot a day for 12 weeks then down to 3 a week with coapegen>
Not to sure of some of this spelling but hopfully you get the Idea.

But mainly looking to see if anyone has tried the Colloidal Silver and if so what was their results.

Thank you
Gary

[Imajerk]

Not two years ago no on could have talked me into taking CS. Six months ago I took a few capfuls of a commercial product, and three months ago, another few. Now I may have silver poisoning. Weird grey coming and going from left hand, cardiologist cannot find circulation problems, the I got a little verve damage or inflammation in my fingers, achy muscles, malaise and now a headache ( although I just got my period too). Will be seeking a toxicologist to confirm and i hope like hell something can be done. I'm just glad I didn't take the amounts others have from what I've read.

These online heartless thieves selling this crap need to be stopped. I had bought it originally as a topical, and took it in a bad state of mind. Going back to silver is like going back to beliefs in humous and bloodletting. I can't believe I was so stupid!!!!! I'm usually rational. I'm an ATHEIST for crying out loud!

[GoofyDad]

Hi Toner - nice to meet you. Sorry - I'm always like this :(

4C:
"I once tried it (my friend had some) and it felt like a giant blob of quarters was going down my gullet and through my intestines."

Why do you *ALWAYS* stop right when you get to the good part?

-- Plunkie

[Forseegood]

Hi Toner! Just wanted to say hi! Jumped all over your thread and didn't even do a meet and greet! Hey, you know, I once knew a guy who sold toner over the phone and he became quite affluent...Ferrari and all! If youre rich, are you looking for hep c kids to sponsor??? he he he.

Anyway, just wanted to welcome you. As you can see, the overriding consensus on collodial silver ain't good. I once tried it (my friend had some) and it felt like a giant blob of quarters was going down my gullet and through my intestines. But then my mind gets a little feverish on full moons.

Please don't think that we are an example of what hep c does to the mind over the long term - only when the hep c talk gets to critical mass and the heebie jeebies take over do you see examples of this type of tom-foolery.... see ya around!

[GoofyDad]

Mais Non-non! Re-read the transcript my friend from the Southland - t'was Anita making the midnight treks behind the curtain down at VideoWorld ......

Hey we could do our own little productions...


Deb Does Peg
Missing Veggies
Scratching The 48 Week Itch
Strator's Crack Creme

[vegas777]

you know what's even funnier...the fact that I can't spell and make so many dang typos....lol

aodjOSACAPOJC'ojcvopj KLZ

[vegas777]

hahaha you just described how my cats think!  I will have to share that with Mr. Miyagi and Miss Kitty and tell them yhey are now busted!...I now their plan!!!  lol

Good one...I forgot it was Thursday night...Some folks may say "another thread wasted from those *****", other folks may say "a wasted use of bandwidth", and even more folks may say "they make me puke", but I say "let's get down to it, laugh it up"!...


LMAO LMAO LMAO
hehehehehehe
hahahahahaha
LOL LOL LOL LOL

*just a laughing dip*

[Forseegood]

Didn't Anita say that Clarence Thomas rented that one?....Oh I see, he just rented it...you own it. And remember, it's Forsee, not prepuse!!! It's thurs night funnies aint' it? or am I going to get in trouble for being a goof ball tonight.

Here's a funny for all you animal lovers out there...

CATS AND DOGS.....

As seen in a dog's diary:  8am - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favorite! 9am - Oh Boy! A car ride! My favorite 10am - Oh Boy! A walk! My favorite!  11am - Oh Boy! A car ride! My favorite!   Noon - Oh Boy! The kids! My favorite!  1pm - Oh Boy! The yard! My favorite!  3pm - Oh Boy! The kids! My favorite!  4pm - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favorite!  5pm - Oh Boy! Mom! My favorite!  7pm - Oh Boy! Playing ball!  My favorite!  9pm - Oh Boy! Sleeping in master's bed! My favorite!


As seen in a cat's diary:  Day 183 of my captivity...  My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little  dangling objects.  They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced > to eat dry cereal. The only  thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and  the mild satisfaction I get  from ruining the occasional piece of furniture.  Tomorrow I may eat another house plant. Today my  attempt to kill my  captors by weaving around their feet while they were  walking almost succeeded.....  must try this at the top of the stairs.  In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile  oppressors, I once again  induced myself to vomit on their favorite  chair..........must try this on their bed.  Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless  body, in an attempt to  make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try  to strike fear into their hearts.  They only cooed and condescended about what a good  little cat I was. Hmmm, not  working according to plan.  There was some sort of gathering of their  accomplices. I was placed in solitary  throughout the event. However, I could hear the  noise and smell the food. More importantly, I overheard that my confinement was due  to MY power of  "allergies."  Must learn what this is and how to use it to my  advantage. I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and  maybe snitches. The dog is  routinely released and seems more than happy to  return. He is obviously a half-wit.  The bird on the other hand has got to be an  informant, and speaks with them regularly.  I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his  current placement in the metal room,  his safety is assured.   But I can wait, it is only a matter of  time..............

[vegas777]

okay let me get this straight, this could be you on Interferon....

We got a vegged out bathroom hogger and a Long Johnson Silva...

Poster Boys for Shering, you do the visual image!!!

*snowed in dip*

[FlGuy]

Me thinking is a rarity.  Usually a small window Thursday thru peg time Fiday. Then it's back to veg-out (no insult intended) time and then the neurons going on hiatus again.  Come to think of it, it's also when my family likes me and I have quality bathroom time.  O' my God - what have I become?

[GoofyDad]

What with the title of the thread I was hoping more for a likening to Long Jon Sil..... ahhh fergettit. No sense in tryin' to toot my own horn (for me anyway).

[vegas777]

Hey!!!  I know someone from Florida that has the computer name Methinks!!!  lol  

*dip*

[FlGuy]

Methinks there's some Tom Sawyer in you

[friole]

Hey John, I think you are talking about my totally unacademic post about the 80% clear.

First, all I have been doing is writing the 12 week results on a little scrap of paper.  I don't know all the genotypes.  I went back and looked at that little scrap, and it was:

Clear - 9
Not Clear - 4

That is 64% clear, not 80% as I stated.

Of the not clear, I had 40 IU and another had 188 IU, one had 3300 IU and one had a 1.96 log drop

friole

[Shanaenae]

so actually, it was my MD that told me to go to the naturopathic doctor. I am instructed to get her opinion on possible herbs and homeopathic medicines and then report back to my doctor with what she recommended. Sounds like most of you are in fairly large cities, i see mention of doctors, like all of us are supposed to know who these people are!! Everyone here has to realize that i live in a podunk town, pop 5,500 deep in the heart of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado, we don't even have a heptologist or gastroenterologist within 150 miles. I had to drive 120 miles just to get my liver biopsy.
So with that said, i probably don't have all the big name doctors or even specialized doctors to turn to, which is one of the main reasons i have been doing so much research on my own. I am not saying that my donctor doesn't know anything, she is the best in town, and she has also treated quite a few people with combo interferon therapy in my town that all have had Hep C and she has had 100% of them become at nondetectable levels.

[jmjm530]

Please take this in the nicest way because you know I've always respected the  opinions and intelligence you've brought to MH from almost the moment you arrived here.

I'd appreciate it if you don't try and characterize my opinions on things, especially regarding herbs and vitamins. Let my words stand for themselves --  or if you agree/disagree with with something specific, then please keep it to that.

From some of your past posts, I know you've been very sensitive when people have done the same with your thoughts, so hopefully you understand where I'm coming from.

I believe all I said about herbs and vitamins yesterday was you should run everything by your doctor and some things you can take off treatment may be controversial on treatment.

All the best.

-- Jim

[cuteus]

all you have to do nowadays is check all the literature tying chronic hep c to things like neuropathy, cognitive dysfunction, diabetes, thyroid problems, etc., and reason that most of us with long term infection have to be getting some "action" in those organs even if we don't feel anything or is too mild to consciously thing about it.
It seems some folks might be experiencing the effects of the immune system's reaction more than others.  How many times we feel a little twitch here and there only to chuck it off because it was so subtle? Bring on the IFN and riba and these things might flare up big time and bring them to the surface, but it started with hep c. It might not explain all of the post tx complains, but maybe most.  The only way to find out is if ALL that were going to tx, got a complete neurological, autoimmune, cardiac, endocrinology, vision consult prior to tx to identify the anti thyroid antibodies, for example.  Who really does that?
Hep C tx with IFN has been out since the late 80's early (90's, I would say that over 15 yrs of using them will provide some long term data, from at least IFN.  Plus the yrs that they have been using them for AIDS. No studies have shown significant LT damage as of yet, none that I have seen.  I encourage you to web search any and all hep c related topics, especially long term effects from IFN.
talking in message boards is not the best way, since a small percentage with leftov er signs are still frequenting for support.
Consider also that when anemia sets in, and many folks if not most, are going to experience it, your body's usual supply of oxygen has been compromised, your brain is not getting its 25% share on a regular basis, and we all know how important that organ is, I for one, do not need a study to tell me that brain hypoxia could be dangerous, but there are studies out there if you have the energy to read.
Think now about hypoxia to all the other major organs and tissue, just go and read on the term and the dangers of the condition, and you will see how anemia could possibly cause a lot of lasting conditions. I don't need a study to tell me. Just research anemia thoroughly, insist on the Procrit if your insurance covers it.
That way you can rule out anemia as the reason for lasting effects, if you have any.
I treated for 72+ wks and have no lasting effects, and I do not have the healthiest eating habits.

When you are young, according to some articles, your SVR shot could be about the same as a g2 or 3.  And females do better than males, it seems. Just read that too,
in hep c infection and tx.
best to you all

[jmjm530]

I'm also concerned that treatment induced long-term anemia can cause hypoxia to many major organs including the brain.

The problem with Procrit is that in many cases Procrit doesn't prevent anemia, it simply *reduces* anemia by boosting hemoglobin (Hgb) s a couple of points so we can function a little better.

I've been on 40,000 -- 60,000 units of Procrit a week from week 2 of treatment. Still, I've been anemic for over half the time and my guess is I'm doing better than most.

To simplify, anemia (at least with men) starts when Hgb falls below 13.2. How many of us on treatment -- Procrit or not -- have Hgb lower than that? If so, then you're anemic.

-- Jim

[cuteus]

it is troubling that it does not work for some people as well as it does others, any ideas what the percentage of "non responders" is?  there should be something factual, since there are so many on it from dialysis. What a predicament! I wonder if switching brands of erythropoetin wil make a difference?

[jmjm530]

I don't think it's a case of being "non-respoders" -- at least not with me. Procrit did boost my Hemoglobin and allow me to continue treatment on full meds.

But like many, treatment also left me anemic much of the time. The point being that no one really knows going into treatment whether or not they will be anemic -- Procrit or not.

I was willing to risk anemia for the past 38 weeks because my options were limited with moderate-significant fibrosis.

Just to balance this out, I haven't read any studies that show the kind of treatment-induced anemia you and I are talking about indeed impairs organ tissue, including the brain. But from what you've posted, it's a concern we both seem to share.

-- Jim

[cuteus]

"Just to balance this out, I haven't read any studies that show the kind of treatment-induced anemia you and I are talking about indeed impairs organ tissue, including the brain. But from what you've posted, it's a concern we both seem to share."

I guess you don't read about it directly related because, regardless of the cause for anemia (hemolytic, defficiency, etc), the effects are the same. The body still gets shortchanged regrdless of who did it. Since there is so much literature on the effects of anemia itself, they might not find it necessary to study its effects in relation to our tx. The only reason to find the cause is to find the treatment for it. But the anemia seems to be causing the SAME damage, no matter how it started. Of course, the literature is on long term anemia mostly.

It is scary to think how bad it would be for you, and wasabi, and others without the Procrit. It is frustrating to see it not working as well as we feel it should.

[NYgirl]

"The problem with Procrit is that in many cases Procrit doesn't prevent anemia, it simply *reduces* anemia by boosting hemoglobin (Hgb) s a couple of points so we can function a little better."

Yup.  At 9 I could not function but now at 11.1 I am feeling much better. Still on a regular day that would be quite anemic since I started at 14+.  But yes...I can function a little better and that's about it.

But it's WAY better than the 9!  ;-)

[tonerman]

I got hepititis in 1975 from a blood transfusion. I guess with 52 pints of blood you bound to get a bad one (laughing).

At that time they called it sermum Hepatitis so never know until about 3 years ago because I had my doctor everytime he did a blood work to check my liver and it finialy shows up.
Last year I did the interfion. It worked as long as I was on it but then 4 weeks after being off the shots and pils it shows up again. So took the summer off meds and so now doing the interfergen and pils 7 days a week he says for 12 weeks then maybe a cut back on the does to 3 times a week.

What will hurt is that i am self employeed so I hope I dont get to sick that I can not keep up so I can pay the bills.

So if anyone needs toner let me know  (Laughing).
Good luck to everyone also.
Gary

[NYgirl]

You sound like you have a great sense of humor Tonerman!  Welcome to the board!

I only had FOUR transfusions and thought it was way to many LOL my GOD 52?  52?!!!!!!!!

I don't think I got my disease that way though...since the doc says I've had it for 20 - 25 years and I only got the transfusions last year (was Dx in June, 2005) on shot 9/48 right now coming up tomorrow.

Are you Tonerman cause they have replaced all your ink?  hahahahahha


Debby
Welcome!

[cuteus]

what is your genotype and damage level?  Some members here have just repeated the same meds they did the first time and went longer than the first time.If infergen becomes debilitating, perhaps he can switch to an easier IFN once you are clear. It is not the norm, but you got to work and pay bills and get rid of HCV. I just saw the title of an abstract from the conference about repeating tx with a different pegylated IFN, but have not read it yet. I'll see if I find the links ( they were actually 2 studies)