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I really found a person who is UND with homeopathy.

Hi guys, I just found a person today who is UND now. I didnt believed him but he went home and bring his reports with him. In the reports, he doesn't have Hepatitis C virus. He was patient of Hepatitis C 2 years ago. He went here and there to find the cure and every one told him that there is no cure except interferon and riba. He advised me that i should not take injection of interferon because they have many lifelong side effects etc. He gave me the address of the homeopathic doctor from which he got treatment. According to him, the homeopathic treatment was of six months and during this time perious his antibody level went higher and higher. and then he became UND.
He says that he knows many other persons who became UND with homeopathy treatment of that doctor.
In his reports, i have seen enzime and eliza method in which he was positive for hcv. and then after two years he was UND. He even done PCR RNA and he is UND.
Should i also go for Homeopathic treatment from the same doctor or i should go along with Interferon and Riba.
I am confused, however the information i am giving you is true because i am the witness of his reports.
Please advice,
Thanks,
Naeem
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86075 tn?1238115091
And here I went ahead and dropped a bundle on replacing my gold crowns in the back of my mouth....shoulda just went ahead and moved em to the front of my mouth according to these cultural mandates...oh well again...where do you come up with this stuff? Yikes! I can only wonder what qualifies as light reading material vis-a-vis "Le Goofus"
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Sorry for the confusion niceguy - I was just being silly. I knew homeopathy was a medical treatment. I think it's used to treat  <a href="http://www.rapperdentist.com">over exposure to gold</a>, right?

Forsee: I thought I might butch things up a little by getting BBQ tools painted on the toe nails?

<small>Good thing the Cunning Dental Group treats teeth and not tongues .. could result in an unfortunate name....</small>
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yup, thats it!!  thanks for the compliment, have to share a funny.  Yall all know my physical attributes, having described them in intimate detail, just a recap: hairy, I haven't even waxed my lip in a month or more, redrimmed eyes, balding, splotchy, 180 lbs on a 5'6" frame (down from 238).... 50 Years OLD, not young these days!!  So I am in the lumber yard where my 24 yo son works buying material for the pigeon coop. After I got home, my sons calls practically hysterical he's giggling so hard.  Seems some "old geezer"  as he put it that works there after I left said "thats your mom?  man, she's a good lookin woman."  I would have paid $100 to see the look of horror on my sons face!! His buddy that has spent many days at my home just busted out laughing, right in front of the poor guy!!  I got up the next morning, looked at hubby and said "can you believe this inspires lust in anyone??" See polish chicken reference: http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Polish/BRKPolish.html

OH, melaleuca I am familiar with. My best friend raises horses (as in spring theres 50 head at her place), and she uses it religiously on wounds.  She had a week old filly that laid down on a brown recluse spider, the hole was big enough to put your fist in, if you had a big fist, on a 200 lb baby.  She filled it every day with stuff, hardly even a scar 6 months later.
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My son has the "lack of pigment" fungus, can't remember the name, but that no longer surprises me.  Its the same thing you see on african americans with white splotches. You can take medicine internally when it gets bad, or he has been told to use a zinc based shampoo-selsun blue- on it, and lo and behold it clears up until the next time...
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When I was younger and spending alot of time down in Jamacia, I was very prone to getting different sorts of fungus.
Chev, I have the same splotches you speak of right now. I have it on lower back, and also around my belly button. Doesn't bother me one bit, and I sort of like the leopard look. Kidding, you can barely notice it. But yes, it leaves blotchy white or pale spots even after tanning. Areas infected will not tan. But you know what they told me to use for it? Selson blue!! It got rid of it once, just been to lazy to mess with it now. I was told it is from the sun, and saltwater..
Jim, tea tree oil is amazing stuff. Just about a cure all. Use it 100% strength. Apply it a few times a day, and I would be very dissappointed if it did not help. I have used this stuff for years, and have yet to find a fungus or skin problem it has not gotten rid of.
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86075 tn?1238115091
Yikes, the only fungi I've ever experienced is on two toes of my right foot, I won't take that Lamisil either (and really, those commercials....they make me sick) I wonder if tea tree oil works on toenail fungus? I don't want to paint nail polish on my toes anymore (the way I used to cover it up) too toxic for me till I clear the hep....(and besides, after that Goof remark, I'm thinking I should save my nail polish for him since he's SVRed)
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86075 tn?1238115091
There will always be back and forth about this issue until some better treatments arrive for everybody, and I hope that's sooner than later, now that they are at least in mid-trials and have stirred up a lot of enthusiasm, I hope sooner...

In an earlier post I made to Jim regarding Alinia, it might of gotten buried, I spoke about a guy on another board named Dennis. His own doctor told him maybe to wait for new drugs, (this was a few years ago) because he was in perfect health, very physical and active, good labs and had biopsied out as a 0. Fast forward to a few years off treatment, and the guy unfortunately didn't SVR, and he has a variety of post tx problems including a bad case of fibro and chronic fatigue, intense neuropathy, insomnia, etc etc...this isn't the only case I've ever heard like this...I bet Dennis is re-thinking his original decision...

Now I don't point him out to scare anybody, only to make the point that current treatment does have risks, if you read the drug lit on the flaps of the meds you find that out, I'm not making any big revelatory remark here...

And we all have to weigh those risks/rewards IF WE ARE IN THE LOW BIOPSY GRADES, 0 OR 1.....even if I treated tomorrow (and this might happen) I, personally, am glad I waited till now, cause as crude as they are, they know more about treatment now, (rescue drugs, treatment times, etc) then when I was diagnosed in 01, there are trials happening now for potentially new and better drugs, etc, the whole atmosphere is better now, my opinion....could be a lot better, but it's better then it was...

And yeah, I took a risk waiting, others don't want THAT risk, but youre taking a risk too treating (FOR THE LOW GRADES) (for higher grades I completely understand that you have no other options)...all depends on what risk you wanna take and for what reasons, I respect ALL people on these issues cause it's going to be down to us as individuals - what we want to do under these circumstances....

I trusted the fact that I'm a really healthy liver, not organ liver, but I live healthy...there's no way of knowing just what keeps me in a pretty good place regarding this disease (not the best cause I do have some symptoms) I think it's synergistic, the supplements and a few herbs, the exercising, the eating healthy with lots of veggies and fruits...who knows what's more responsible or if they all work together, whatever, the scientists don't know for sure and I certainly don't...

I do disagree with something I've heard on this thread, that labs don't really count...they count if youre a 1 biopsy...if youre a 1 or 0 biopsy and continue to have good labs, you COULD make a pretty good case that youre hepatitis C isn't completely taking over...of course, this isn't COMPLETELY definitive, but put it this way, having good labs under these circumstances is a whole lot better then having bad labs - under these circumstances...

If you don't know the state of your liver, low alts COULD mean that you have cirrhosis, but that's a different deal and that's by no means definitive either...as we all know, this disease is often all over the place...

To me, everything depends on perspective regarding these issues... if you've done your treatment, and youre SVR and going on with your life and don't have a care regarding this disease, then, perhaps you made the better choice then I did...

If youre not SVR, with a lot of post side effects, maybe you could say I made the better choice, once again, it's all a cr**p shoot whichever way you look at it...

Even if youre argument is that even having done treatment, your liver is healthier because of it, well, my liver isn't that bad off according to my docs, so it's back and forth as usual...I guess my main point is.....do what you feel is the best avenue for you (with a good biopsy grade)..hopefully, you'll be right...
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86075 tn?1238115091
Only wish I had a video or better yet a webcam....of Canny Man's face as he was reading the menu of your last post, oh well...
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Just pulling your chain.

Hope this finds you well and all Aloe Vera'd up. Decided to throw caution to the wind and had one row tekamaki and one row yellowtail/scallion row yesterday. Previously, post tx, stayed away from the rew fish and only had California roll, except for Uni -- not sure if that qualifies as raw fish though :)

-- Jim
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86075 tn?1238115091
you just asked the 65,000 dollar question...too, too many variables for anyone to give you the COMPLETE DEFINITIVE ANSWER...my suggestion would be to keep reading, researching, talking to specialized hep c docs and researchers if you can, get the anectodal from this and other boards, all of it, then try to make your own decision tailored to YOUR own particular circumstances, then just throw the dice with the rest of us, whatever you end up choosing...
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86075 tn?1238115091
you just asked the 65,000 dollar question...too, too many variables for anyone to give you the COMPLETE DEFINITIVE ANSWER...my suggestion would be to keep reading, researching, talking to specialized hep c docs and researchers if you can, get the anectodal from this and other boards, all of it, then try to make your own decision tailored to YOUR own particular circumstances, then just throw the dice with the rest of us, whatever you end up choosing...
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just to think about something else for a change, yall remember the niece with the wierd parasites??? Now they think its Morgellons..  http://www.morgellons.org/  CDC does not recognize it, so insurance won't pay for tx.... man, I feel so sorry for her..
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Saw the post and video. Sorry about your niece. The dermotologist in the vid is typical of most. I'm sure he dismissed Morgellon's without even looking at a patient who has it. I've been experimenting with dilutions of Tea Tree Oil for my seb derm and rosacea. It's a natural antiseptic. Maybe she could try it on a small spot and see if it helps. Hope things work out. Not sure which is more frustrating -- skin problems or trying to have a two way conversation with a dermatologist.

-- Jim
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Oh yeah. Forgot. Just show cdm's blood pressure doesn't rise, I did have a slice of pizza tonight. BTW did you catch Goof's homo
pathic post? He sounds a bit confused these days :)

-- Jim
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Hi Frinds,
Thanks for giving me valuable information. I can understand that every one has different opinion which is usually based on his own personal experience. However here I got two more questions from the posts here.
What are the common life long side effects of the INF treatment?
I already know about the side effects but i want to know about the side effects which were encountered to forum members. like hyperthyroid etc. because I want to compare the chances of more health damages with the treatment  and the damages of HCV.
BTW what is hyperthyroid and what happend when some one got it?
my english is poor, i hope you people dont mind=).
Thanks,
Naeem
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how does anyone truly know that the herbs and supplements kept the damage from progressing? If the nature of the disease is to progress slowly, then that alone can account for the low damage experienced for 10 or so yrs. There is no way to prove otherwise.
as for the mushroom and tomato treatment curing 20 to 30% of hcv infected...isn't that the same rate as those who spontaneously cleared the virus, without tomato or mushrooms?  
No one can state that supplementation and healthy eating will prevent further damage just like no one can state it won't.
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As previously discussed, very little or no studies on post treatment side effects, so most of what you will get is anecdotal.

Thyroid problems happen to some and at least one member here blew out her thyroid gland requiring thyroid meds for life. Another member reports lupus-like skin problems along with joint pain. Forseegood, above reports that someone in another discussion group reports " a bad case of fibro and chronic fatigue, intense neuropathy, insomnia". Others have reported cognitive problems including short-term memory and feeling years older. Personally, I've also had the cognitive issues including short-term memory problems but most troublesome are lingering skin issues such as sun sensitivity, rosacea, psoriasis and seb dermatitis which flared on treatment and still remain 4 months after. Another member, close to six months post treatment reports similar skin issues. My nurse practioner, as I mentioned earlier, told me that interferon can damage the kidneys as well. It should also be mentioned that some members report no post treatment issues. The problem is you don't know where you will fall until after you treat. Will you have post treatment problems or won't you. That's why it's important to weigh the risks of treatment with the rewards. It's difficult, especially with few if any studies and only anecdotal data like this go go by.

-- Jim
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Hi,
Please spare some time to see the question bellow as i think my previous message is being over sight :).
What are the common life long side effects of the INF treatment?
I already know about the side effects but i want to know about the side effects which were encountered to forum members. like hyperthyroid etc. because I want to compare the chances of more health damages with the treatment and the damages of HCV.
what is hyperthyroid and what happend when some one got it?
Many Many Thanks,
Naeem
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86075 tn?1238115091
Hi there! youre posts are usually so amusing, I like reading you...anyway, yeah, the point I was trying to make is we all end up making our decisions based on a lot of factors, hopefully, we all come out ahead in this process...
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Hey there, I too waited to treat, from 94 until 06, because the old tx REALLY sucked, and I needed my ducks in a row, and like snook pointed out I felt like I had time to wait..Wanted to start in 03, but life happened.  Haven't had a biopsy since 99, BUT both docs felt like my alt and ast were consistently normal, and with the two previous biopsys, felt like I was still at minimal risk for disease progression..
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I'm in the treat if you can group.  Kalio's point is correct.  We don't know if or when our liver's will get bad.  There have been studies that show treatment is easier the younger you are and it is best to stop liver damage early.  

There are some people that can't take the standard treatment for other health reasons or if they are a nonresponder.  I can see how they would seek out homeopathic remedies.  Anyone taking herbs/mushrooms/whatever should be monitored by a doctor just like someone on interferon.

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I am in a study with a new drug called Valopicitibine (NM283) and interferon.  You should be able to find information with a Google search.  People in this round of the study are starting to finish up their treatments and there will be more information about SVR published in the next few months.
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goofydad, do you even know what homeopathy means? It has nothing to do with gender preference.

It's a medical treatment.

Please look it up in a dictionary or on http://www.m-w.com

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Again, just completely misinterpretted my post..

"keeping Virus at bay"..   How might I ask does this refer to lowering viral load? As stated before, viral load has NOTHING to do with damage. AS I for one had a barely registerable viral load from the start, yet moderate liver damage.
Keeping the virus at bay, is by lowering ALT's, which in turn will slow the progression of the disease.. I had a drop from 83, to mid 40's on herbs. All liver functions improved, as well overall health. Many other memebers here and on other forums have stated and recorded the same findings. One member in particular, "califia", was able to "keep the virus at bay", for 14 years with supplementation alone. She tried the standard interferon years ago, which left her with a blown thyroid, and ultimately relapsing.. She then went under the medical guidance of a Dr Misha Cohen, and began an extensive herbal regimen. She had routine bioposies, bloodwork, and check ups to monitor progress during this 14 year period. Atfer the first tx, she was a stage 3, bridging fibrosis. Biopsy reports during that 14 year period, suggested that her liver was maintaining a stage 2/3 fibroisis level, slightly improving, not progressing.. This my dear, is responsibly "keeping the virus at bay"..
Other members have taken herbal regimens and gone years without progression of liver disease. Like I stated several times, yet you fail to comprehend, viral load is meaningless. Viral load does not signify disease progression, ALT's do.. ALT's signify ongoing liver damage, and specifically the destruction of healthy liver cells. Now if one can lower these numbers naturally by taking supplements and changing their diet, then in fact, they are "keeping the virus at bay"..
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