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IV ozone therapy Hepatitis C 100% effective in irradicating for good?
Hepatitis C - IV ozone therapy over 6 treatments 100% effective in irradicating for good?
Yes, it's a complicated issue with the expenses of bringing a new drug to market with FDA approval. I am not surprised that there are many homeopathic treatments that are beneficial. I drink a lot of green tea because studies have shown a correlation between consumption and liver health.
I get a little heated up when people claim that these so-called remedies can cure HCV or attain SVR in an HCV patient (remember MAtt the juicer?). Absence of evidence is just that. :)
It is interesting what you say about the viral remains letf in some tissues. It has had a lot of discussion on this forum in the past. I am not sure that this is of any significance if it does not lead to a viral breakthrough. Evidence is that if a patient is UND for more than 6 months after EOT, then they continue to be so for good. I will be happy when I achieve this SVR and will consider it a cure in any meaningful sense of the word.
Anyway, thanks for your intelligent comments.
Best regards,
Brent
P.S. Loved the caffeine curve!! LOL!
I get a little heated up when people claim that these so-called remedies can cure HCV or attain SVR in an HCV patient (remember MAtt the juicer?). Absence of evidence is just that. :)
It is interesting what you say about the viral remains letf in some tissues. It has had a lot of discussion on this forum in the past. I am not sure that this is of any significance if it does not lead to a viral breakthrough. Evidence is that if a patient is UND for more than 6 months after EOT, then they continue to be so for good. I will be happy when I achieve this SVR and will consider it a cure in any meaningful sense of the word.
Anyway, thanks for your intelligent comments.
Best regards,
Brent
P.S. Loved the caffeine curve!! LOL!
You'll notice that I in no way addressed whether the treatment in question worked. : )
I believe that there are several therapies/technologies which are approved in places other than in the United States. That fact that they are not here, where there are perhaps the toughest standards is not rigorous proof that they do no work, or.......don't *kinda* work. : )
The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence. : )
Milk thistle (either in pill form or IV infusion) is used in Europe, Fibroscans have been used for quite some time and still are not approved here and I believe some of these processes/technologies of treating the blood are used; perhaps, Ultraviolet light treatments of the blood, ozone treatments, filters....... I don't know the effectiveness of them, but I have seen some evidence that that may be partially effective.
I think the issue is that since they only treat the blood, and that HCV RNA may reside in tissue, that even if the blood is cleared 100%, that the virus present in the tissue will cause reinfection; virtually impossible to achieve SVR.
It is a different question as to whether any of these processes could be used to get a large viral load drop, and then commence any form of HCV treatment. Surely, if one stated TX with a viral load of zero, then the treatment would have a very good leg up on the remaining virus.
As it stands......we are not likely to see such a trial, since it would mean that far less drugs would be required; profits would be diminished.
Even as we speak right now, the best in class treatment may be 2 antivirals, but one of them GS-7977 is being held from continued collaboration. It appears that Gilead does not want to cure people with the fastest route to FDA approval. Instead, they are trying to rush their own drug replacement and essentially having to reduplicate some of what had already been proven with a Bristol Myers drug.
My point remains that simply because a drug or treatment is not approved in the USA it is not clear proof that these cannot exist. Is it possible that a like treatment of some IV treatment.....either ozone or irradiating the blood could be used to lower viral load and then expose it to SOC? It would not surprise me if the virus could be treated even with older existing technologies. IV milk thistle has been used to lower and clear a percentage of viral breakthroughs in patients treating with SOC in Europe.
Does that mean it is going to happen here? LOL; I doubt it. : )
If it was discovered that eating mud cured HCV, the process would never gain FDA approval in the united states; no one would pay for a trial. If the government itself paid for the trial we could all eat mud in 7 years, give or take. : )
willy
I believe that there are several therapies/technologies which are approved in places other than in the United States. That fact that they are not here, where there are perhaps the toughest standards is not rigorous proof that they do no work, or.......don't *kinda* work. : )
The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence. : )
Milk thistle (either in pill form or IV infusion) is used in Europe, Fibroscans have been used for quite some time and still are not approved here and I believe some of these processes/technologies of treating the blood are used; perhaps, Ultraviolet light treatments of the blood, ozone treatments, filters....... I don't know the effectiveness of them, but I have seen some evidence that that may be partially effective.
I think the issue is that since they only treat the blood, and that HCV RNA may reside in tissue, that even if the blood is cleared 100%, that the virus present in the tissue will cause reinfection; virtually impossible to achieve SVR.
It is a different question as to whether any of these processes could be used to get a large viral load drop, and then commence any form of HCV treatment. Surely, if one stated TX with a viral load of zero, then the treatment would have a very good leg up on the remaining virus.
As it stands......we are not likely to see such a trial, since it would mean that far less drugs would be required; profits would be diminished.
Even as we speak right now, the best in class treatment may be 2 antivirals, but one of them GS-7977 is being held from continued collaboration. It appears that Gilead does not want to cure people with the fastest route to FDA approval. Instead, they are trying to rush their own drug replacement and essentially having to reduplicate some of what had already been proven with a Bristol Myers drug.
My point remains that simply because a drug or treatment is not approved in the USA it is not clear proof that these cannot exist. Is it possible that a like treatment of some IV treatment.....either ozone or irradiating the blood could be used to lower viral load and then expose it to SOC? It would not surprise me if the virus could be treated even with older existing technologies. IV milk thistle has been used to lower and clear a percentage of viral breakthroughs in patients treating with SOC in Europe.
Does that mean it is going to happen here? LOL; I doubt it. : )
If it was discovered that eating mud cured HCV, the process would never gain FDA approval in the united states; no one would pay for a trial. If the government itself paid for the trial we could all eat mud in 7 years, give or take. : )
willy
I guess there is some truth to that as you pointed out. I can't disagree. Corruption is found in all aspects of enterprise. My point is that the vast conspiracy that so many keep using as a reason that their "miracle cure" is not recognized by science/medicine are more than a little improbable. A simple application of the "razor" of Occam helps put things in perspective.
On the one hand we have the liklihood that these touted miracle cures have somehow remained in darkness becauae of a vast conspiracy to keep profits in the medical profession. This requires the complicity of millions of people in health care and in the government to somehow keep this from the press.
On the other hand, we have the postulation that these miracle cures really do not work and just bilk money from the uninformed and enrich the provider.
There are some precedents for either case, but surely the simpler explanation in the correct one.
Your point reminds me of a movie I saw "Love and Other Drugs" with Jake Gyllenhal. There is certainly corruption in the system, but we should be careful not to let our fears be exploited by hucksters.
Thanks,
Brent
P.S. Been a while, sorry.
On the one hand we have the liklihood that these touted miracle cures have somehow remained in darkness becauae of a vast conspiracy to keep profits in the medical profession. This requires the complicity of millions of people in health care and in the government to somehow keep this from the press.
On the other hand, we have the postulation that these miracle cures really do not work and just bilk money from the uninformed and enrich the provider.
There are some precedents for either case, but surely the simpler explanation in the correct one.
Your point reminds me of a movie I saw "Love and Other Drugs" with Jake Gyllenhal. There is certainly corruption in the system, but we should be careful not to let our fears be exploited by hucksters.
Thanks,
Brent
P.S. Been a while, sorry.
Wow, great article, a lot of food for thought.
"Industry experts say the federal inquiries into Schering-Plough and the other drug giants have led some companies to adopt significant changes in the way they peddle drugs to doctors."
I wonder how they do it in 2012? I would assume more carefully and with no blatant paper trail.
(Not a blanket indictment of big pharm, just food for thought)
"Industry experts say the federal inquiries into Schering-Plough and the other drug giants have led some companies to adopt significant changes in the way they peddle drugs to doctors."
I wonder how they do it in 2012? I would assume more carefully and with no blatant paper trail.
(Not a blanket indictment of big pharm, just food for thought)
I hear that all of the doctors make an extra $1,000 for their part.
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The last post was 90-100% sarcastic, but does anyone remember that doctors prescribing interferon were doing that very thing? Of course, some were reimbursed well over a *mere* 1000 dollars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/27/business/27DRUG.final.html?pagewanted=all
"As Doctor Writes Prescription, Drug Company Writes a Check
Published: June 27, 2004
The check for $10,000 arrived in the mail unsolicited. The doctor who received it from the drug maker Schering-Plough said it was made out to him personally in exchange for an attached "consulting" agreement that required nothing other than his commitment to prescribe the company's medicines. Two other physicians said in separate interviews that they, too, received checks unbidden from Schering-Plough, one of the world's biggest drug companies. "
(visit the link for the rest of the article-willy)
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The last post was 90-100% sarcastic, but does anyone remember that doctors prescribing interferon were doing that very thing? Of course, some were reimbursed well over a *mere* 1000 dollars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/27/business/27DRUG.final.html?pagewanted=all
"As Doctor Writes Prescription, Drug Company Writes a Check
Published: June 27, 2004
The check for $10,000 arrived in the mail unsolicited. The doctor who received it from the drug maker Schering-Plough said it was made out to him personally in exchange for an attached "consulting" agreement that required nothing other than his commitment to prescribe the company's medicines. Two other physicians said in separate interviews that they, too, received checks unbidden from Schering-Plough, one of the world's biggest drug companies. "
(visit the link for the rest of the article-willy)
I amazes me that so many miracles are available, yet the government, businesses, doctors, journalists, and others manage to keep it a secret. Remind me to send in for my $50 monthly check from the Conspiracy Consortium for my share of the profits made this month by me keeping my mouth shut about this deception that is costing thousands of lives each year. I hear that all of the doctors make an extra $1,000 for their part. But I guess that is cheap compared to the billions we are making by keeping folks away from "ozone cures" and "juice cures" and ...
Also, while we're at it, someone needs to expose the conspiracy by the oil companies that is preventing a simple magnet from reaching the market that, when attached to your fuel tank or fuel line of your car, will instantly double the gas mileage. Those oil companies must really be worried that we'll all find out and halve their oil sales.
I, for one, am tired of being duped by the man. Occam was a fool!
(My comment above should display in the Sarcasm Font. If your PC does not recognize this font, it is probably because TimesRoman, Courier, and SansSerif are blocking it to keep their monopoly on the Font Market)
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