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My mother has Hep c and latent TB

Hello my mother has had hep c for around 30 years now (blood transfusion) and recently got the gold blood test for tb as she was told she had it at a nursing home when her leg got broke with the skin test. She took a chest x-ray and everything is fine. However I'm very worried how to even start with this duel diagnosis.

I read ethumbutol was a first line drug but her doctors are recommending InH and vit b6
and I'm concerned as she has the hep c and this drug can increase the risk of heptotoxity .as well as be a strain on the liver.
She has complained that her legs and arms are jelly like and its worrying her and me.
She also has osteo arthritus and is somewhat limited physically because of a car accident years ago and I'm wondering if this might be a natrual progession over time as well? She's 56

I would greatly appreciate any guidance, insight or feedback. Her viral load is at a million and she does not have cirrhosis, however she hasn't had a liver biopsy done only ultrasound.

How urgent is care? What are possible complications that are caused with treatment for tb and is there a way to avoid them?
Also does her hep c have a chance of strengthening if treatment for tb is carried out?

Do I have to seriously worry about a liver transplant being possible? if so that terrifies me.
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683231 tn?1467323017
Hi

You have responded to a very old post from 2011 to Oscarguy whose last post was also in October 2011 so most likely he will not see your comment.

As you are asking about Hepatitis B I suggest you go to that forum http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Hepatitis-B/show/223 and select the green Post a Question near the top right of the page.

Also if you saw the comment just above from Emily Med Help Moderator you would have seen this which I have copied below.

"Hi everyone -

We are closing this thread.  While some may firmly believe that BHT cures hep C (among other things), as there is no real proof, please consider this carefully, and buyer beware.  No one wants to cause more harm than good.

Emily

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                                    NO MORE POSTS, PLEASE ."

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Hi oscar I was diagnosed for hep b I've been reading your blogs about the bht and I started taking it since last week, I take it every morning on empty stomach and have my breakfast in an hour and I also I take multivitamins. I'm hoping for a good result....
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Hi Any improvement since you started taking it?
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This is an old post now so you may already be aware of the role of Vitamin D in TB if not highly reccomend you listen to this podcast (you will need flashplayer on yr computer) go to WWW.BBC.co.UK/search/schedule/vitamin
_d then scroll down to Case Notes Vitamin D 20 April 2010 - has some really interesting info from a Prof doing research into TB - and the effect of Vit D  You will also see a lot of other articles on Vit D on the search page all worth a look - especially those on Case Notes and Inside Health (the successor prog to Case Notes Regards Hugh
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707563 tn?1626361905
Hi everyone -

We are closing this thread.  While some may firmly believe that BHT cures hep C (among other things), as there is no real proof, please consider this carefully, and buyer beware.  No one wants to cause more harm than good.

Emily

******************************** CLOSED THREAD  ****************************
                                    NO MORE POSTS, PLEASE
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179856 tn?1333547362
"If you mix BHT and inject it that it could cause cancer" Good for you!!! "

Wow then we could have another thing to do a REAL treatment for - thanks for the ideas Oscar you are brilliant, yay, on to chemo this BHT is the best!!!!!

BTW nobody on this forum is going to fall for this nonsense, we're a bit too well educated in our disease to know not to waste money on garbage that has no studies or data hell juicing would be better - at least it migth have some benefit on overall health.

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1253246 tn?1332073310
Sorry I forgot some words"If you mix BHT with cooking oil and inject it that it could cause cancer"
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1253246 tn?1332073310
Seems you are pretty popular on some of the other forums
The only thing I read that you posted that made sense to me was "If you mix BHT and inject it that it could cause cancer" Good for you!!!
The 5 people that have cured from BHT wouldnt beJanuary,Gina,Fatchabrute and Shakarr would it???And Shaker's father??
I didnt know that BHT cured genitel herpes too???
I also didnt know that it was good for Conjestive Heart failure? Please tell us more Oscar2U!!!!
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1669790 tn?1333662595
I think in early trials on that    approx. the same result was achieved in just 3min.:) .
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I'd imagine in this case a dose reduction would be preferred to rescue drugs. ;)
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If I told you that 5 of my friends and I increased the size of our private parts 5 inch by paddling my testies with a ping pong paddle for 5 min daily would you take my word for it
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.I think in early trials on that      approx. the same result was achieved in just 3min.  :)
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1747881 tn?1546175878
Oscar I have to give you an E for effort but you are seriously failing in the proof dept. If I told you that 5 of my friends and I increased the size of our private parts 5 inch by paddling my testies with a ping pong paddle for 5 min daily would you take my word for it or would you want to see before and after pics and video proving I was actually using a ping pong paddle. I think I would want to see the proof myself but you can take my word for it and try it if you like.
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1253246 tn?1332073310
Well, it does not sound to me that the treatments your are taking are working very well for you from what you stated.

And what was that???That the viral load fluctuates???Nor am I on treatment at this time,I dont recal saying any of that in my posts.
Further more you have been asked several times to post the links supporting your claim and you cant or wont!!!You cant produce anything to back your statements.
I really hope that the new people here are not falling for your sales pitch  and dont think that there may be a "Magic Cure"
  Hey Guys-lets consume a bottle of mayonnaise-it contains BHT and it will cure my hep C.Fact is BHT has been linked to cancer.
And I agree with what Lynda said.By the way glad your Voo_doo medicine worked for you.When in fact the only thing that will get you cured is current treatments.Now Im done here too.
Quit preying on innocent people!!!!!
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Instead of just showing up when you want to push BHT, why don't you stick around and offer encouragement to people who are currently undergoing the prescribed treatments?  You may learn something from these people.  You will see that a great many of them are becoming UND very early with the current treatments available and most likely will go on to SVR and they also know it's the only treatment currently available that actually eradicates HCV.  No hearsay, no personal testimony by five people but actual studies to back up the documented cure rates.  
We see certain people who never offer one word of encouragement or support.  When they post it's to push a treatment with no medical proof it works. like yourself, or to say how awful their quality of life has been since undergoing treatment or feel it is their duty to mediate on a controversial thread.  IMO, that's selfish and self serving.  Support should be given every aspect of hepc and treatment.

People don't have to agree, but IMO showing up once in a while and offering a kind word here and there lends a little more credence to one's sincerity and motive.
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    Well, it does not sound to me that the treatments your are taking are working very well for you from what you stated. With the BHT those viral load counts seem to go to undetectable within a matter of weeks for those willing to give it a try, The BHT surely does not cost very much. And there is that PHYSIOLOGICAL REVIEWS article along with Dr. Harman`s and other`s studies that show a definite average lifespan increase for mice and other mammals dosed for their entire lifetimes with BHT. This is compared to undosed mice. So their is substantial proof that BHT in theraputic doses is benificial to the average lifespan of mammals.
   So, it seems reasonable that some people may wish to give the BHT a try for a few weeks and see what happens like shakar`s father and the others I have posted about have done, as a treatment for hepatitis C. They can always stop taking it if they choose to. The BHT seems to work amazing well for some people including me and those others I listed. This BHT really does work and amazingly well for at least some people. Like shakar said: no one even gives it a try. His father did and the results are impressive. The same is true for me, Gina, January, fatcha brute, and Dr. W.
    The prescribed treatments do not work for everyone, far from it. Frankly they do not seem to work all that well for you from what you stated.   ...Oscar
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1253246 tn?1332073310
As far as viral load being lessened by 50%.I do not take BHT or intend on using it,My Viral laod fluctuates from 17,000,000 to 8,000,000 in a matter of weeks.Viral loads do this.Dont be fooled and dont use the poison that Oscarguy is talking about,There is no cure for hep C except the tx.Why would the pharmacy co's pay millions of dollars on research if this were true??? Buyer Beware !!!!!
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1669790 tn?1333662595
We ask for references and you post an obsure reference to an article published in Science in 1975 with no link to read it?  At least you have a sense of humor.   If this is all you got, I'm done.  

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   I made a mistake in my last posting. BHT and it`s metabolites have one not two tert-butyl groups on each side of the hydroxy or the carbonyl group. I needed to correct that statement. BHT and metabolites have two tert-butyl groups: One on each side of oxygen group = 2 tert-butyl groups. Sorry for that mistake.   ...Oscar
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   Hi flclist, I think I am actually starting to like you a little bit and do not know why. Anyway, there are some important differences when it comes to BHT. All of those published articles beginning with: Snipe, Person, Keith, and Cupp`s:" Butylated Hydroxytoluene Inactivates Lipid-Containing Viruses " published in the journal SCIENCE, volume 188, pages 64-66 in the year 1975. These same scientists along with many others had follow up articles published in SCIENCE and other journals about the ability of BHT to effectively treat and prevent many viruses that have a coating that to some degree is made up of lipids. These studies proved BHT to be effective in treating many lipid coated viruses in many different species. Hepatitis C is very much such a virus. Exactly the type BHT was proven to be effective in treating. This is because of the nature of the HCV viruses. All are rather simple structures as far as viruses go, or are concerned. And all have a relatively high lipid content in their outer coatings or envelopes.
   Exactly the type of viruses BHT had proven to be effective in treating and preventing in the different animal studies that were done. So, that is the big difference as to BHT. It is not just another of the many plant extracts that have shown some anti-viral properties.
   In any serious discussion about BHT one has to include BHT`s metabolites of which there are many. The things they all have in common are: a 6 carbon ring with an oxygen atom or an O-H group with a tert-butyl group on both sides of the oxygen or O-H group. This is an unusual arrangement. The O-H group is called a hydroxy group. The single oxygen double bonded to a carbon is called a carbonyl group.
    Anyway, BHT and all of it`s metabolites have one or the other group with two tert-butyl groups on each side of it on that 6 carbon ring. With the O-H group that 6 carbon ring has what is called an aromatic electron structure. With the double bonded oxygen the ring loses it`s aromatic electron structure. It does get complex. BHT`s anti-viral properties may very well be nothing more than lipophilic nature of these molecules combined with their relatively bulky shape which would have a disruptive effect on or in those lipid coatings, the forces that hold those coatings together.
   Then there are those anti oxidant properties associated with BHT and it`s metabolites to take into account. I could write a small book about it but have no desire to at this time. There is nothing in it for me and never will be. So very many chemists and others have already discussed all of this and continue to. Anyway there is something very different about BHT and it`s metabolites.   ...Oscar
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1669790 tn?1333662595
Suppose I came to a Hep C forum and started to make claims that I've elimated HCV by drinking 4 cups of chrysanthemum tea every day for a month, and know 5 other peope that claim the same results.  Oh, and I should also mention this was never tested on humans, only rats.  Do you think everyone would accept this new alternative treatment with open arms?   I would hope and expect to be challenged to provide information to forum members to support this claim.  Otherwise, it's just a claim the can't be backed up.   Hearsay is meaningless.

Somehow you think we should just believe your words.  You take this challenge by stating that I have a "neurotic obsession with BHT".  I'm not the least but concerned about BHT, but more about someone pushing an agenda that can't be supported with data and studies.  

I like to focus on what works, not hollow promises that you say cured 5 people and was never published.  This is not a personal attack on you, just an attempt to understand and read something other than hearsay.    
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   It was never my intention to frighten you or anyone else. I have discussed a treatment that has proven very effective for the few that have tried it. I wish to offer life saving information for those people this BHT treatment works for. If that is heresy to you, so be it.   ...Oscar
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    Well, I have every reason to believe no official type of studies will ever be done. Such studies do cost a lot of money and BHT does cost so very little. But many studies have been done with animals that are not people. And these studies have proven that BHT does effectively treat and prevent infection of animals treated with BHT for a number of lipid coated viruses. Hepatitis C is a lipid coated virus.
   Why do you and others get so concerned about BHT anyway ? There are other alternative treatments being discussed in this forum and others. Why this neurotic obsession about BHT ? Why do you care so much if I post about some success stories with the use of BHT ?
    I would think people would be happy to know there is this alternative treatment for hepatitis C that works so very well for at least some people. After all: on a world wide basis the prescribed treatments are unavailable to the vast majority of people infected with hepatitis C. And there are those very many people for whom the prescribed treatments do not work even if they can get said treatments paid for.
   So what is your problem with me discussing this BHT anyway ? Has the use of these prescribable treatments become some sort of a religion with you or what ? Am I in effect some sort of heretic in this weird religion or what ? Did I offend the PEG-interferon god. I do hope that I did.   ...Oscar
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Wow, five people, got me shaking in my shoes. Doesn't matter if I have hepc or not or if I've tried BHT, show us the published medical data, trials, statistics, not personal testimony.  Proof, not hearsay.

This is a public forum, I could tell you I'm a millionaire, would you believe it?
Probably not until you say my financial records.  
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   Well, that is what you say. I say BHT is a very effective treatment for hepatitis C for at least some people and five people agree with me. Five people who have actually tried it. It seems to me shakar also agrees about this. So that would make 6 people. Why is anyone supposed to assume you know better ? Do you have hepatitis C ? And if you do: have you tried BHT as a treatment for your infection ?   ...Oscar
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1669790 tn?1333662595
If you "wish for people to know about BHT as an effective alternative treatment" then show some published studies to support your agenda.  If this is so important, show us something of substance.  We are all interested in learning more.  

This request for data or published studies has been made multiple times over the months with no response.  If you have something, please provide.
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As public info and for the record, BHT does not cure hepatitis C.
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