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PMBC - Shown not to be viral reservoirs

http://natap.org/2008/HCV/030508_01.htm
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You've gotta be kidding, right?

I am done responding to you, so read and research and enjoy.  Bud do not engage me any further, in any way.  Thanks you.

DD
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DD:  or all the twisted misinterpretations she has been spewing out,
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Qualify that, for you are surely speaking of me.  Quote my twisted misinterpretations.  I have surely quoted yours.  Quote mine.    

You insinuate that I am purposely twisting and misinterpreting.  I am doing nothing of the sort.  I am asking questions, conjecturing, forming opinions.....and you attack me each time.  You have consistently twisted MY words and I have been forced to come back to you each time and correct what you have said so that nobody will think that what I meant is how YOU have interpreted it.  It is beyond me how you can read into my posts each and every time I post them something that has nothing to do with what I was intending to convey.  All I can conclude is that the glasses you are wearing are so tainted that you are not capable of clear thinking any longer.

On that note....and with constant evidence to support that thought....I will read the studies posted as I said I was interested in doing, I will then read the comments posted here including your own because I am interested in various takes on those studies and I will continue to seek and learn.  What I will NOT do .. .is discuss it further with you.  I have been part of discussions on this topic with you before and they all devolve to the same point.  As they say.. the definition of insanity is to do the same thing expecting different results.  It is clear that it is insanity expecting to have a fair and open discussion with you on THIS topic.  Perhaps other topics it would be possible.  But not THIS one.  Whatever your personal investment in this topic is....you are too threatened by other points of view to engage in rational discussion.

Regards.

Trish

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Jim,  I am sorry you feel that I 'mocked you', but a little bit of light hearted humor should not get anyone that bent out of shape.  For someone who comes on as the resident 'know it all' ,and has been called to task on that behavior by other members in the past, you least of all should be calling the kettle black!  I am disappointed that you take my disagreement with your interpretation of this viral persistence issue so personally.  And I do think there may be more going on than many doctors realize, but I am not mocking them or you!  I am just saying that research may be ahead of their current views.

And for you to give a 'free pass' to the person you addressed above, for all the twisted misinterpretations she has been spewing out, I am really disappointed in you.  I thought you were more rational and objective than to do that.  You sound like someone who's ego has been offended, and you are lashing out to feel better.  I mean really!  Read all of her responses.

I always gave you credit for trying to look a both sides of an issue, and 'trying' to remain above the garbage, but today you just took a big swan dive right into it.  People can disagree with me all they want to, and they do frequently, but it does not bother me in the slightest, contrary to what you seem to think about my attitudes and behaviors.  

You strike me as the guy who can't handle it when someone contradicts your 'authoritative pronouncements', and today you just made it perfectly clear.  

So if you feel entitled to define me in your above post, then here is my synopsis for you.  It goes both ways Jim.

DoubleDose
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I was hoping to leave this thread for good, but you being a new member here, who just started treatment –  I wanted to add that while these threads no longer raise my hair as they did when I treating – I do share your frustration at how DD mischarterizes and personally attacks those who disagree.

He often insinuates that this topic gets people emotional and defensive, but it’s obvious to anyone reading this thread that he’s the one who gets emotional and defensive, as soon as anyone disagrees or calls him to task.

This is not a topic I’ve researched thoroughly, so have limited my comments mostly to what I consider DD’s incorrect conclusions (or however many ways he qualifies his statements)`from the study data he himself presents. And I do mention on occasion – thought it pertinent this time since  we got into this whole “prevailing view” nonsense -- what some of my doctors have said.

Instead of DD simply saying that that in his opinion the study data doesn’t support my doctor’s opinions – he chooses to attack and mock both me and the doctors. This is par for the course.

Trish, you’re on treatment now, the drugs can be rough, and really should garner your energy to that end. My only suggestion is to eiher ignore threads like these, or simply post your opinions and ignore what invariably will be a personally directed, ad hominem response.

Speaking of ad hominem, I'm of course doing the same right now   (talking about the person and not the topic) and for that I’m not at all happy, but felt it should be said, at least for your sake as someone both new here, and obviously someone very bright who has picked up many of these topics quite well in a relatively short period of time.

And taking my advice, I’m leaving this thread and going to enjoy the weekend. No need to respond.

All the best,

-- Jim
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EspritLibre:  Whoops... didn't mention 'entertaining', but actually I didn't see that as much as I found part of the thread annoying and sad that interested parties such as ourselves have to wade through such opposition when 'studies' and 'papers relating to occult hep c' are being discussed in a reasonable manner - with DIRECT LINKS to same, I might add.  If a person feels uncomfortable reading such discussion or do not want to see what research is out there, why must they attack the messengers and those having open minds wanting to discuss same?  I mean.. for chripes-sakes... if opposing parties have STUDIES, PAPERS, LINKS from RESEARCHERS (DUH) showing that what is attempting to be discussed here then by all means I wish they would show it.
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Perhaps you could use some independent thought of your own, or wait until your eyeballs have recovered and read what I actually posted, rather than only DD's tirades and incorrect assumptions about my posts that I CONSTANTLY have to go back and correct because he has quite the knack for reading into everything I say.



I thought it was a discussion about strains of HCV RNA getting into various other compartments of the body besides blood and what the implications are.  

In DD's own words:  "How to INTERPRET this or what it all means is, of course open to further research, discussion, etc.  I don't think any of us have tried to say exactly what these findings might imply, or what the impact might be.  I do not see anything above that implies that.  "

IS it?  IS it open to interpretation?  Further research?  Further discussion?  

Then why am I being attacked for choosing to read the studies, then ask questions about my own interpretations to date, posting my opinions on same?  

Despite DD's comments, it seems that the interpretation has already been decided, the research to date is already conclusive and no further discussion is required other than for everyone to simply agree with the conclusions of those who feel they are right.

There is nothing wrong with feeling secure in what you have come to believe.  But do not state something like "How to INTERPRET this or what it all means is, of course open to further research, discussion, etc.  I don't think any of us have tried to say exactly what these findings might imply, or what the impact might be.  I do not see anything above that implies that.  "  if you are not willing to allow others the same right to do the same investigation, ask the same questions and come to their own personal conclusions.

I am not a sheep.  Have never been a sheep.  Last time I looked this is not a cult and any who are not true followers and don't toe the party line get ex-communicated..however, I am beginning to wonder on the "cult" thing because this discussion has taken on overtones of that sort of thing.

How about...instead of you continuing false accusations against me..... you actually answer my earnestly posted questions as I would REALLY like answers to those.  
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Sheesh!!!!  Well, now I guess you can see how I feel.  I am just not responding to the stuff above anymore!  Its a waste ot time and energy.  Glad to have you on the Forum.  I hope you continue to enjoy the discussions!

DoubleDose
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