SVR (Do i Tell or Not)

[Rockerforlife]

Heres a good one...if we do get SVR....should we tell new lovers that we did have the virus but are now cured...im thinkn    there is no point...i guess i just answered my own question...again

[FreedomMK]

If you're cured, there's no need to tell anyone. It's no longer relevant.

Simply MOVE ON, leave the past behind.

It's extremely rare for Hep C to be sexually transmitted anyway. I recall a study done about 15 years ago in Australia:   for 5 years some 180 couples who lived together and were having unprotected heterosexual sex were monitored. One was Hep C positive and the other was not. At the completion of the 5 years it added up to well over 800 years in total, and there was not a single case of the people without Hep C getting it from their Hep C positive partner.

[libnic84]

Bump.   I found out I was hcv positive when I was 18. Young and dumb I told a few people who told people who told people and I live in a small town.  I'm now 32 and have been svr for a little while and when I go out people I don't even know will tell who I'm w that I have it.     Idk what to do about that.  People are ******** and I feel ill be alone forever.  I need to learn to accept it myself.  

[Rosebud41]

I like nygirl's advice.
I would not tell a potential long term relationship.

What happen's when of if the relationship ends poorly and the
person you revealed this info to decides to share it with others who are less understanding...

Maybe you can share that information on you 25th anniversary or something!!!

Rosebud

[R Glass]

“a better analogy might be is there any reason to tell a potential sex partner that you had let's say gonorrhea 10 years ago and then got cured?”

Thanks Jim, I can always count on you to bring things down to my level without posting a 40 page study.

[nygirl7]

I might disclose it at some later date but since I don't have that disease any more I sure wouldn't bring it up until I'd discussed a whole plethora of other things first and knew the person well.  Just still too much stigma to chance a great relationship (or sex) on something that we dont even have.

[dointime]

Jim, thanks for this info, and to you too Rocker for posting the question.

Rocker, it sure is a psychological thing.  Since I found out I have the virus I have felt unclean.  Luckily I don't have a partner because I have developed an aversion to being touched which I never had before in my life.  I mean any kind of touch, even though I know rationally that I can't possibly transmit the virus that way.  I can handle living with this as long as I think of it as a temporary condition, but a rest-of-my-life thing would be a whole other matter.  

So it really means a lot to me to have confidence that after I SVR I can really close the book on this aspect of hepC, I'm fixed, I'm no longer a biohazard.  

dointime        

[Rockerforlife]

I like the occult explanation in the above ..Feb 24, 2009 08:33PM

that says it all in a nutshell...


  

[jmjm530]

sorry I read the sentence wrong. there is no typo. he's clearly saying that the virus is not very transmissible even in the 50 million range and in his opinion neglible after SVR. I would add that my doc would use the word "impossible" instead of neglible  or whatever medically is close to that.

[jmjm530]

I left the thread uncorrected, but it appears from the context of the sentence that there is a typo in line 2. As I see it, it should read "not very transmissible" and not "very transmissible"


: Trihep
"    - What are the possibilities of occult SVR's being able to transmit the virus?

(Hepatitis Researcher)

Most likely negligible, since not even full blown VLs with fit virus in the 5o Million/ml range are very transmissible in the sexual context.


"- And if the majority of occult infection is made of 'unfit' viral remnants, how might the immune system of an uninfected individual who became exposed (via transfusion, IV drug use, needle stick, etc) respond? Would you expect their immune system to 'trap' and treat it in the same way - creating a low level 'balance' with a chronic infection remaining? Or might a healthy immune system be able to fully 'knock back' the occult infection to the point where negative strand replication no longer takes place? "

Such an infection will probably not take hold to any degree that matters. It has become a "non-pathogenic' virus, a lame and tame dog out of a Wolfe....

Questions like that will also have a very low chance of being investigated, since they are very difficult to examine and have a clinical impact too low to matter in a world filled with more obvious diseases and dilemmas.
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[Rockerforlife]

Maybe us heppers are just going to have mingle with our own kind?...that would solve the delimma of 'do i tell"....thie disease is just not a physical killer....its psycological too...it plays on emotions and moral issues...hep C IS evil

[dointime]

"even per HR's recent comments on implausibility of HCV transmission sexually by an SVR which would be categorized as an impossiblity by other medical experts. (see tnhepguy's recent thread)"

I don't suppose you have a link to tnhepguy's thread?

I don't think this subject deserves the derision it is getting,  I'm not SVR but if and when I get there I will be concerned to know if there's any possibility of my still being infectious to somebody else.  I suppose I mean more if my blood will be safe.  Do we really know  for 100% sure that after SRV we are not infectious in any way?  Have there been any studies on this?  Because if we're not sure then we've got to maintain the same vigilance with blood spills, etc. for life whether or not we tell.  And I think we do have to tell if we could be putting somebody in harm's way, even if the possibility is remote.  

Dointime  

[desrt]

Don't forget to tell them you might have 'occult chicken pox' too.

[fxr_rusty]

I guess i am just not the ***** I use to be.  one nite stands just are not what they use to be.  This is the 21st century, not the 70's or 80's. I remember when motorcycles were dangerous and sex was safe.  Or am I just getting old!!!!   lol

[JBGAL]

Dating is too complicated as it is to worry about mentioning HCV. The truth is that most people still think it is a STD and you do not want to be the source of "gossip". I am the monogamous type, so if I found a match, I would continue to see how mature they are about keeping secrets, then figure the right time to mention it, all along keeping "safe". The hard part is getting others to get tested for the other STDS before deciding to get in the "raw". Seems that THIS is the true dealbreaker that is keeping me single, not me having the HCV, because I was picky before I found I had it. My ex-fiance and others in my recent life, to my knowledge, they never got it from me. I find it best left secret for now, until they decide to make more public service announcements to bring understanding about it.

[Rockerforlife]

I Think i will don a garbage truck uiform this weekend and go out on the town...maybe ill even jump on the back of a truck and start waving...pick me...pick me....
if thats what it takes to find some loving....think ill stick with the dinner and a show

[jmjm530]

Sometimes it's bringing in the trash that gets the job done.
(Where's Goofy when you need him?
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LOL. with lines like that we don't need "goofy"

[Tippyclubb]

How did you get the virus?  If you got it through IV use then you have to tell that too.  Or maybe you got it through transfusion which would be easier to explain to any new potential lover.  I feel there's always going to be a negative stigma attached to having Hep C.  It such a personal decision weather to tell or not.  

I chose not to tell just because my past is exactly that, the past.  I feel no need to go digging up bones.  But then again, that's just my attitude--some things are left better unsaid.  

Ask yourself are you really going to gain anything by telling--if so then by all means start talking!

[FlGuy]

"Maybe some of the married guys here have forgotten that it takes a little more than taking out the garbage at night to get a woman to sleep with you these days."

Sometimes it's bringing in the trash that gets the job done.
(Where's Goofy when you need him?)

[can-do-man]

Geez, if i had to go through my life history for 30 seconds, (OOPS i mean 3 hours) of fun i'd just get me a six pack and the new sports illustrated swimsuit issue.:)

Port....I'm just not sure how you fit in so much conversation when h-orny s-ex is a dream within reach. Nah, let's kill that scenario and talk about when I broke my ankle in high school. That's the way to o-rgasm, I say.
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While i'm sorry you broke your ankle, the other conversations seems more interesting.

As for chocolates, i do have some kinky thoughts on that..........:)))

I know can it cando

[jmjm530]

MS: Jim, I get better purchase with a good pair of shoes on and, in case you don't know,  it can get rather slippery.
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LOL. You cease to amaze.

[lalapple]

and if he really loves me and wants to spend the rest of his life with me, then it will not matter at all.  if not, then his loss

[lalapple]

i was thinking the same before i started tx, i think when i meet the right one in the future, i will tell if i can trust him with my secrets

[jmjm530]

PA: On opening night, if there's time for talk at all, wouldn't there be more profound concerns than a closed chapter in your health history? For starters, I'd rather know if lover boy loves chocolate and evaluate accordingly.  

Rocker started the thread about new encounters, not ongoing ones. I'm just not sure how you fit in so much conversation when h-orny s-ex is a dream within reach. Nah, let's kill that scenario and talk about when I broke my ankle in high school. That's the way to o-rgasm, I say.
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I'm repeating what PA said, because I think she said it better. Maybe some of the married guys here have forgotten that it takes a little more than taking out the garbage at night to get a woman to sleep with you these days. LOL. Yes, a little romance is in order and a discussion on SVR somehow doesn't fit the bill .

[jmjm530]

DD: If you feel you are really CURED, then why would you not discuss your history with an intimate partner, or prospective love interest? ... If you had been treated for Cancer and recovered, wouldn't you expect to at least mention this at some point to a partner.  Is there a reason to hide the past SVR and HCV history?  I get the feeling there is more to this issue than meets the eye...like fear of someone interpreting the SVR to be more threatening than we might prefer them to....or causing someone to look at you differently.
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Once again, you're interjecting your bias and fears toward occult HCV into areas where they have no relevance even per HR's recent comments on implausibility of HCV transmission sexually by an SVR which would be categorized as an impossiblity by other medical experts. (see tnhepguy's recent thread)

Rockers question was about "new lovers' which is a very general category that could include anything from a year's courtship to a one-night stand. Personally, I would see no reason or responsiblity to discuss my medical history -- be it HCV or your example, "cancer" -- unless I knew a person well and long enough to share that kind of personal information, and please let's not debate the morality of how well you should know someone before sleeping with them because that belongs in another forum.

The question posed  here by Rocker  is responsiblity of disclosure of HCV to a new sexual partner if you're SVR -- and again, I -- and many others -- see absolutely no reason to disclose unless for some reason you want to disclose and thats fine.  And yes, HCV does carry a stigma and the average lay person may not immediately understand what SVR actually means.

Personally, as an SVR,  my disclosure to someone about my HCV history and status
would have nothing to do with whether or not Im sleeping with a person. There are several women who know of my history who I have not had sexual relations with and there could be several I had sexual relations with whom I did not discuss my history.
I also had gonnorhea (and crabs) when I was 20 but rarely bring that up either!

-- Jim