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Squashing Hepatitis C with no interferon-ribavarin

Hi,

I am a 32 year Hep C survivor. I found and tried a new combo of drugs and supplements that reduced my count from over 500K to 11K in a very short time.

I posted the whole nine yards on Blogger ******* under this lnk    http://******************.********.com/

Not sure if links are allowed.

And no, I am not selling anything. I just want to try and help anyone who is looking for an alternative. Everything I am taking you can easily obtain yourself.

I hope this helps some of you.
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" now if Goofydad could just put it all into language I understand, that would be the cherry on the top."

Now you're just baiting him........ ;->
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1523804 tn?1316560909
Well I for one have enjoyed the discussion, now if Goofydad could just put it all into language I understand, that would be the cherry on the top.
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1130586 tn?1316266292
Ya Trin , his post is not that clear ... , but it did start ...
Thought provoking and sharing of information as well as helpful open minded dialog ..... that has led to more info available to us ..... that is what these forums are all about (to me) ... and i would venture to say, his post has created a successful one that is interesting reading for many members, even if we have strayed, if only a bit, from the original intent ... as at the center of the subject is VL,  ... and VL is so important to all of us ....... well maybe not to all , that would be those who already have their minds made up it's not important relative to liver health  .....

My hope is that over time , as there is much more data available that has been produced over time and scientific studies being conducted nowadays compared to yesterday on long term effects of this virus , we will know the answers to this and the other many unanswered questions about the effects of this virus...

"All I can say is I believe what all the renowned hepatologists and studies throughout the world have indicated so far.  VIRAL LOAD HAS NO BEARING ON FIBROSIS PROGRESSION......Prove me wrong, show me something, conclusive and I will gladly change my viewpoint."

Not an attack , just curious .. any change in your viewpoint Trin ?

Thankfully we have gotten this far without any "thought police" intervention , let's hope we can continue without any censoring !

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"Do you agree that starting Tx with a low VL improves the chances of attaining SVR?"

If you read my early posts it's quite apparent that I do agree.  The OP did not state his intentions for lowering his viral load.  The topic of his post was squashing hepc with no interferon or ribavirin.  I do not know if his meaning implies he intends to treat and has lowered his viral load for optimal results or if he intends to maintain a low viral in hopes fibrosis progression will slow.  Least I assume for as you so eloquently stated above, any presumption or conclusion at this point would only be to assume so between assuming and brains with an ******* I better damn well have my facts straight. :)

Irrespective of what the OP's intentions were this thread has certainly produced some thought provoking dialogue without the intervention of the thought police who many times decide for us what our actual intentions are.  

Trinity
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The Op didn't say anything at all about fibrosis in his post.  Only that he's a 32 year survivor of Hep C and was pleased to bring his viral load down.  No mention on if he has ever tried treatment at all or anything, is a relapser or non-responder and regardless if that is the case, fact remains his post was in reference to bringing down viral load, period.  You chose to focus narrowly on fibrosis in that regard, fair enough.  However, as subsequent posts have shown, there is some merit or at least worthy discussion to the impact of viral load in the big picture on much more than fibrosis alone when it comes to management of HCV.  With regards to fibrosis - good thing you are keeping an open mind as I'm sure many are interested in being able to discuss the issues unfettered and unmolested for having divergent points of view.  Some, as you know, have a particular stake in being able to do that, being forced to manage with their HCV rather than be rid of it, at least for the time being.
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1130586 tn?1316266292
X 2 , Trish77 - new info comes to light every day ...

This is why folks should not state conclusively, over what is still unknown .. to presume old research data is 100% complete and 100% accurate is ... just not right .. in my opinion, nothing dealing with this virus is 100% confirmed ... except trying to rid our bodies of it ,  takes time , $$ & luck .....

Trin , one link you provided had 90 patients .. not much to go on and not dated .. one other NDDIC pretty generic and not dated ...

Thank you & posted by Portann :

http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/28/30/4587 ,

This one is current 2010 & 925 subjects followed over thousands of person years ... I'll look for some others I have , but this is quite a detailed long term study ...

Results: Fifty-five participants newly developed hepatocellular carcinoma during 8,476 person-years of follow-up, giving an incidence rate of 648.9 per 100,000 person-years. The cumulative hepatocellular carcinoma risk increased from 1.1% for HCV RNA seronegative status to 6.4% for low HCV RNA levels and to 14.7% for high HCV RNA levels (P < .001). The cumulative risk also increased with elevated serum ALT levels from 1.7% for persistently ≤ 15 U/L to 4.2% for ever more than 15 U/L but never more than 45 U/L and to 13.8% for ALT ever ≥ 45 U/L (P < .001). Having HCV genotype 1 was associated with a higher cumulative hepatocellular carcinoma risk (12.6%) than not having HCV genotype 1 (4.5%; P < .001).

Conclusion Elevated serum levels of HCV RNA and ALT and HCV genotype 1 infection are independent risk predictors of hepatocellular carcinoma. These findings have strong implications for the management of chronic HCV.

If you want to bash on the HP , by all means go ahead .. this dialysis type medical device has just now entered into it's ... first ... CT's 2 months ago , and there is no results or data yet ... if .... if ...  it works and stands up to the CT criteria over time and trials ...  reduction of VL before starting TX .... without another drug ... or,  controlling VL in non responders & relapsers, that is the intent of the device and the company making it .
I like the idea ... and has been the focal point of my support of furthering it's studies since our earlier ... discussions ...
Do you agree that starting Tx with a low VL improves the chances of attaining SVR ?

It's good to see you keep an open mind ...
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