Yes, Virginia you can get it from sex continued

[timedog]

Copyman:

Was not attacking you, really, just trying to bring sense into the discussion. Drug addicts who got HIV or Hep C from sharing needles was because blood went into the syringe and was shared that way, not because there was blood on the needle. like I said there are things we need to be careful about but for me and I said me I choose not to obsess about the near impossible.

[moveabove]

does anyone know a good turky porno site?

[Myown]

lol that turkey may have been looking at you "that way" in fear. He may have witnessed the illegal underpaid guatemalan kill his cousin,,don't do it. PETA may be filming in the area and you know what will happen then. Always sleep on a tough decision before you deceide. Please don't.

[moveabove]

SO ?

[Myown]

moveabove said

"Now dig that and as one of my Central American helpers does every thanks giving, Go **** a turky.
Realy he did that in gaudamala. The poor thing died but I dont think it died of hep-c"
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Amazing.

[moveabove]

I'm going to stay with my thoughts on this and that is unless I have blood in semen wich is very rare or open sores, that theres no rubber wareing for me.  And I am nothing but truthfull to any woman I date.  Vaginal sex is fluid, even during period her blood does not go into mine nor mine into her uless theres blood in my semen wich has happened 2 times in my life and it was scary and did see a specialest.
  Revenire, I have read your posts even during the kalio thing and not once did I see you step out of bounds.
It seems when theres sistuations when either one or many people but their head in the sand and someone tries to pull the heads out, that theres a lot of resistence. But thid life needs people like you finding holes and exploring them while working thru the resistence.
Even though there are whols in what I am saying about transmition, personaly I don't think its practical to think hcv can be passed without direct blood to blood, not blood to skin or near blood to blood.  Now dig that and as one of my Central American helpers does every thanks giving,  Go **** a turky.
  Realy he did that in gaudamala. The poor thing died but I dont think it died of hep-c

[cquest]

Hey! Haven't been here in a while and I see things haven't changed much!

The news: my x-husband has HCV too...that brings the total up to 5, me, my daughter, him, my x-sister in law and her husband. He's waiting for his viral load but if he got it from the 5 pints of blood he got after he got shot (friendly fire, an accident), then chances are it's a whopper.

Then I found out I had H-Pylori all this time...a nasty little stomach bug that causes ulcers and even cancer...got rid of that.

Now for the question...you better believe you can get this from sex...how many men have sex w/ women on their period? Don't mean to be gross but it's a factor. How many 'mouth chewers' are out there? Go ahead and kiss somebody after they chewed themselves bloody...I dare you...freaks me out just thinking about all the ways to catch stuff...where did the H-Pylori come from? Spit can transmit it...I witnessed someone cut his hand, wipe the blood on his pants then proceeded to reach for the joint people were smoking...your mouth is now touching the very spot he just touched w/ his bloody fingers...and you think you can't catch HCV w/ casual contact? HA!
Cin

[moveabove]

ok

[can-do-man]

Didn't think you were ignoring me, and if you was i'm used to it. After being married all these years i'm ignored alot.

As for dyce, think he's at the **** table getting tossed around.
Hope your doing ok

[moveabove]

Thank you for pointing out how bad my spelling is. But I already know that. And I do not think at all that I am an expert. But I do think that jumping to conclusions of how we get hep-c does not make sense when there are far more reasonably explanations like I just wrote to cquest.
  I am kind of surprised that you are picking on me about my spelling. I have enjoyed reading you the past few weeks and like who you think, but no matter how smart you sound or how much I like reading you, I do not think you or me or anyone else on here are the last word.
  I think for myself after getting as much information from others.  And on this topic alot of the razor and sex thing does not fit compared to other explanations.  But thank you again for telling me I must be an idiot because of my spelling

[fishdoc]

I'm not ignoring you.......just slow these days!!!  hope your well, and where the hell is dyce???

[moveabove]

Sorry to hear about all these people having hcv.  Here's a truth. In the past but hopfully not the near future, if there was 100 woman standing up in front of me and only one of them were sick or at least who has had a "past"  and they didn't say a word nor did I know anything about them, I would pick the only one out of a hundred that had the "past".
   You mentioned people sitting aroung smoking pot, well of course theres infection and blood being passed. And gun shootings, if he was a cop please excuse me but who is living a healthy life says "Oh, I got shot, but dont worry it was friendly fire"
  I would bet most of us choose partners that had similure back grounds as us and even faimily members so to say that someone close to you got hcv because of having sex with you or sharing a house with you, is not anything but hysteria.
I would suggest you stop smoking pot and stop playing with guns with is quite a foolish thing and clear your head

[Alady1620]

I don't think anybody is debating the fact that HCV can be spread by sex.  Of course it can.  Many of us are guarded against the hysteria and shame that is being injected into this conversation.

[DoubleDose]

My reply to your question about why would it specifically be HCV virus causing these immune reactions, vs. other viruses , etc. is this:

HCV is one of those viruses that are not easily dealt with by the immune system, and often evades, mututates, or in other ways 'fools' the immune system, thus allowing for a state of 'chronic infection, and ongoing damage'.  Most of the other viruses are dealt with directly by the immune system, and eliminated in due time.  They may stimulate immune responses for a period of time,( and leave permanent antibodies to the virus) but HCV is the one that just hangs around, continuously stimulating immune responses.(the virus AND the antibodies remain).

If it does this in localized tissues, as it does in the liver/blood infection, then yes, I think this qualifies it as a 'unique' viral agent, with the potential to cause CFS, CFIDS, FM, or other immune-system related disorders.  I think HR also concurred on this speculation, and indicated that research was being condicted with this issue in mind. It is also being researched by a globally prominent HCV doctor with decades of background in HCV treatment and detection.

Bottom line, I think HCV is a very unique form of virus, with a great potential for resistance to immune system 'elimination', whether in the blood and liver, or just confined to a cell, organ, or tissue system.  This potential realm of infectivity, and chronic illness is only beginning to get the attention that it deserves.  We may ultimately find that there are 'orders of magnitude' more people out there who are infected with 'localized', or tissue based' HCV than those with the more obvious, and dangerous 'blood/liver' infection.  

I have already made my observations and concerns known, over the past few years, and am now communicating these issues to the research doctors and HCV scientists who may be interested in pursuing them.  If there is a form of 'CFS' like syndrome developing in close contacts, or intimate partners, etc, then I want to know.  It will need to be dealt with if it exists, because the CFS syndromes are very limiting, and life-draining in and of themselves.  My aim is ALWAYS to understand clearly what we are dealing with, and to have the scientific community take that knowledge and translate it into appropriate treatments, and preventative strategies.  I hope to be a hard nosed 'realist' rather than an 'alarmist', and will continue to push for serious research in this area of concern, until we get clear answers.

DoubleDose

[SoCal Lady]

The article mentions "tattooing, piercing, manicure/chiropody, and barber shop shaving" as possible contaminants---not transmission from HCV-infected hairdressers who cut themselves with scissors, then nip the ears of hapless clients with the same scissors...

It's good that beauty and nail salons are being held to higher standards for safety and sanitation than in the past (at least that's what's happening in California), but to  create and focus on absurd scenarios is not particularly helpful....

[SoCal Lady]

Sorry, jboyhk...My last sentence was in reference to Myown.  Your warning about beauty parlors was, of course, fair, and everyone should advocate legislation, if it doesn't already exist, to make them safe and sanitary...

[moveabove]

It is far from pratical to think minute particals of hcv can find thier way into an open cut and actually lodge themself into it. This is blood to blood not fluid to fluid.
Me and my kids call burger king and Mcdonolds, bathroom king and Mcbathrooms.  When ever I have to use public bathrooms I don't touch anything not because I'm afraid of germs, I just dont want others peoples pee on me so after I'm done and my weenie is safly back in its clean home I dont dare touch even the sink. I'v already got pee on the bottom of my sneakers just from walking into thoughs plaecs.
  If this was transmitted through razors and tooth brushs MANY more people would have it.  Its just not possible.
Look at all the peole in history killed by hystarical flag waving doo doo holes.
Needles tatoos and piercings. Thats not hysteria, thats practical.   And by the way it was a drug company that is now saying herpes can be spread without an out break. They are trying to get everyone to eat their pills.
You may not feel the outbreak coming and then pass it on. But the drug company needs money, their ceo can not live on only 250 million a year so eat up and don't ask what the sx are to those drugs or what they can do to your liver.  I prefer a little itch a few times a yr

[returntosender]

I have generally not been too worried about transmission although I am careful about the day to day contact.  That being said, I am slowly being convinced that transmitting this disease does not always result in full blown HCV.  In reading some of the recent comments from HR and from DD and the recent spanish studies it is starting to make sense that there are more levels of illness from this virus - and other viruses for that matter - than a full blown illness.  

I have noticed that the folks I have been in contact with over the years do share traits such as fatigue, muscle soreness, skin problems etc.  HR, as I recall, said that the virus could have gotten into the system on a periphery level and is being fought at that level by the body's defenses.  Perhaps there are several areas where persistent immune reactions are taking place.  I think it was HR that said there are probably many viruses that people have that are not totally active and are controlled by the immune system.  The question is at what cost?  Is this an explanation for CFS or other sort of chronic ongoing illnesses?  

The point is that we dont yet know the price being paid by our family and partners for being cavalier about this illness.  Until that is know, I think that more careful rather than less careful should be the watchword.

[beamishboy]

our 1st line of defense is our skin......this is a 'blood to blood' transmitted virus....the effects of mcdee's burgers on our cardio-vascular system is probably what we should be concerned about......and bottom line we are still safer in a public bthroom than living in Iraq or Africa or somesuch......there are dangers everywhere,but we have evolved quite sucessful and generally sufficient protection-our bodys are wonderful;it's the brain that worries me?..(-:

[Alady1620]

:word:  You're preachin' to the choir.

[Alady1620]

"I have noticed that the folks I have been in contact with over the years do share traits such as fatigue, muscle soreness, skin problems etc. HR, as I recall, said that the virus could have gotten into the system on a periphery level and is being fought at that level by the body's defenses. Perhaps there are several areas where persistent immune reactions are taking place. I think it was HR that said there are probably many viruses that people have that are not totally active and are controlled by the immune system. The question is at what cost? Is this an explanation for CFS or other sort of chronic ongoing illnesses? "

If this were true, wouldn't the infected people have the antibodies in their blood and test positive for HCV?

[cuteus]

or it could be an entirely different organism or virus, other than hep c.  Most of us do come in contact with a inumerable amount of known and unknown substances and organisms, why would the immune response be of only hep c?  Yes, they were in contact with us, but also with Lulu who has Epstein Bar or HIV, why would it be only the result of low immune response to hep c?  
we do see a lot of far out speculation in this forum.  Based on actual facts, but also on paranoia.

[can-do-man]

Said.......or it could be an entirely different organism........
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Hmmmm, well i guess this is a sex thread. But entirely different has me somewhat confused. Maybe you can explain?

"OH JEEZ" I'm sorry i read that wrong....... I know the ole one two heading my way.:)

[Myown]

Jboyhk said
This research in Italy clearly concludes that beauty parlours are a source of HCV, HBV exposure.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15332269
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SoCal said
The article mentions "tattooing, piercing, manicure/chiropody, and barber shop shaving" as possible contaminants---not transmission from HCV-infected hairdressers who cut themselves with scissors, then nip the ears of hapless clients with the same scissors...

It's good that beauty and nail salons are being held to higher standards for safety and sanitation than in the past (at least that's what's happening in California), but to create and focus on absurd scenarios is not particularly helpful....

Sorry, jboyhk...My last sentence was in reference to Myown. Your warning about beauty parlors was, of course, fair, and everyone should advocate legislation, if it doesn't already exist, to make them safe and sanitary...

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To SoCal,

So in other words you (and others who think as you) believe, "yes", it is possible to get hep from beauty parlors, such as nippers etc. You seem to agree with that as being a "possible contaminate."

So since you seem to agree that the blood particle that was left on a nipper might be a mode of transmission,,,,but the blood particle on the scissor that your(maybe) high risk hairdresser has on his scissor, is a silly little paranoid thought of myown. You're amazing. I guess if you tell yourself something long enough, you will believe it.This theory of mine WAS a concern of my former hairdresser, who was HIV pos. We both we very careful when he or his partner cut my hair, and we were all concerned about all the haircuts he gave prior to knowing he had aids,,,but that is something that is water under the bridge and I do not think about because there is nothing one can do to change the past.

I know most people haven't thought of their hairdresser as a mode of transmission, but the next time your get your hair styled, if Andre is wearing a band aid on his finger, I would make up an excuse to leave and go home, but thats me.

Everyone thinks that the ad that shows a person with sores on their face (i haven't seen the ad yet) is a good ad for hep, because it says something to the effect, "if you could see hep, you'd do something about it "(or whatever, but thats the jist if I remember)

If your Andre was covered with sores and had aids and even told you he was sick,,, and lets say he was wearing that bandaid, as I mentioned above, on his finger,, and you even SAW him cut himself a minute before your haircut,,,would you feel comfortable sitting in his chair and having him cut your hair? Now lets break it down...think back to the meaning of the ad...Andre CAN LOOK healthy and feel happy, but he may be a carrier. Again,,,,,...he does NOT have to have sores all over his face and body to be carrying, nor does anyone else. But if you believe as some that there has to be a teaspoon, tablespoon or whatever of blood exchanged, don't sweat it,,,sit down in his chair and don't worry if he clips your ear.

Am I saying that people should let their hair grow down their back and never go to a salon?  "No',,,do you see that word to the left? I will type it again to make sure, since some have trouble reading what I write,,,,here goes..."NO". Am I saying that people should lock themselves in their house,"No",,but if our doctors followed procedures that salons follow or "don't follow", we would search high and low for a new doctor, but yet some people think my thinking is blowing things out of proportion.  

BTW Timedog,,I am not angry. I never raise my voice even when I am having an argument with someone,,,,, and I didn't consider our posting as an argument, maybe you did. Rev even thought you were picking on me for having my opinion. Timedog, also read my closing statement to you below. I stated I am not mad and I hoped you weren't. You were the one who wanted to continue this. I also found it interesting that you didn't question the others who are NOT on the same wave length with you as far as transmission.

I read a post where someone said people have their head in the sand. Thats the truth for sure.

BTW. for those that can agree with what Timedog said in opening above makes liars out of nurses who say they got hep from "pricking themselves" with needles. I believe the nurses. I don't think the highly trained nurses took the needle and Injected themselves, they just 'ever so slightly pricked'. So please just drop it. If you want to "keep your head in the sand," go ahead.

SoCal really study what yo've said, its silly. Manicure implements,shaving might be a mode of transmission, but NOT  scissors in the hands of someone who may be in a high risk category for HIV to boot.?? It feels good to think that way I guess.

Nice talking to you all. Myowns not mad. "Conservatives" allow people to have their own opinions and even with that don't get mad at them. Hard for some to conceive, but some of us are not into "group think." I enjoy talking to others with differnt opinions. I never call them paranoid for not thinking as me.

Have a good day.

[Myown]

Read timedogs posts to me below as far as what he says about sticking with a needle and you'll see why I said what I did.  No, don't worry you didn't start anything.

Some of us in here believe pricking with a dirty needle can infect a person and others think you need a puddle of blood or something.  I was having a conversation with Drofi and TD chose to jump in.

I'm finished with subject. Anyone else wants to debate it, in a healthy way, read the posts below an choose a person for rebuttal.

Good night all.