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Talk about an invasion of privacy! I don't know if they are referring to this forum or not.
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The market for personal data about Internet users is booming, and in the vanguard is the practice of "scraping." Firms offer to harvest online conversations and collect personal details from social-networking sites, résumé sites and online forums where people might discuss their lives. In May, Nielsen Co. scraped private forums where patients discuss illnesses.
The seventh installation in the Wall Street Journal's series on Internet-tracking technology:
News Alert
from The Wall Street Journal
The market for personal data about Internet users is booming, and in the vanguard is the practice of "scraping." Firms offer to harvest online conversations and collect personal details from social-networking sites, résumé sites and online forums where people might discuss their lives. In May, Nielsen Co. scraped private forums where patients discuss illnesses.
The seventh installation in the Wall Street Journal's series on Internet-tracking technology:
Hi all,
Glad to see this is still a lively forum. Hello to all my friends. I hope you are all well and enjoying life as best as possible.
Glad to see this is still a lively forum. Hello to all my friends. I hope you are all well and enjoying life as best as possible.
Lovely compliment isn't it?
"Four legs good, two legs bad"
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which"
-George Orwell - Animal Farm
"Four legs good, two legs bad"
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which"
-George Orwell - Animal Farm
Am very angry about it but I have searched this site, as I didn't remember the correct name, "med help" and found, in the hit, parts of posts I HAD MADE!!! When i was stupid enough to use my first and last name as my identity here. The internet is very interesting and could be dangerous in terms of personal info getting into the hands of the wrong people, or perhaps just people you wouldn't want to know specific things about yourself. I was mortified when i saw my name and part of a post, a question I had asked....
A lapdog ??? what the heck does that mean in the context you used Trish??????
Why do you say this cr@P, I would say that's an insult
if I've ever heard one.
Why do you say this cr@P, I would say that's an insult
if I've ever heard one.
"Unfortunately, wth all the cyber bullying going on that I hear of in the news lately - little girls killing themselves because of information/pictures getting around/people finding out for example that man was gay and then he killed himself when the vid went viral........it seems it is almost a moot point that a person should or shouldn't do something. If they are smart enough to get the information, they will use it."
That was a terrible situation with that young man who killed himself. The thing is, it isn't clear that he's gay. Nobody has confirmed he was. He might have simply been experimenting. If he was gay, he had the right to come out on his own time and in his own way. He didn't make the video himself either. He had no idea he was being taped. So it's not a matter of him being careless. He didn't even pick his roommate. He ended up with a guy that would do such a thing. The whole situation is an utter tragedy. It's at least a comfort that the perpetrators have been named and discovered and will go to court for it. I'd like to see them charged with something akin to manslaughter. Hopefully, at the least, there is a conviction and sentencing that sends a message.
"Once something is out there - it's out there for good. Kids need to learn to be careful with what they are doing (adults too!) "
True enough.....in this poor young man's instance, he didn't put it out there. So hopefully laws will evolve that catch up with the digital age where people use the supposed anonymity of the internet to indulge in morally and legally reprehensible actions.
There's also the "just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD."
That was a terrible situation with that young man who killed himself. The thing is, it isn't clear that he's gay. Nobody has confirmed he was. He might have simply been experimenting. If he was gay, he had the right to come out on his own time and in his own way. He didn't make the video himself either. He had no idea he was being taped. So it's not a matter of him being careless. He didn't even pick his roommate. He ended up with a guy that would do such a thing. The whole situation is an utter tragedy. It's at least a comfort that the perpetrators have been named and discovered and will go to court for it. I'd like to see them charged with something akin to manslaughter. Hopefully, at the least, there is a conviction and sentencing that sends a message.
"Once something is out there - it's out there for good. Kids need to learn to be careful with what they are doing (adults too!) "
True enough.....in this poor young man's instance, he didn't put it out there. So hopefully laws will evolve that catch up with the digital age where people use the supposed anonymity of the internet to indulge in morally and legally reprehensible actions.
There's also the "just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD."
"Aren't you being a bit sensitive? Disagreeing or commenting on opinion/information isn't attacking or disrespectful."
If I was upset, I'd be being sensitive. I'm simply making an observation in general and added that I'm amused...or rather the one-word comment of "Amusing" to be precise. Not sure where the sensitivity comes in unless it's that I'm rather prone to mirth in these circumstances.
Commenting on an opinion isn't attacking or disrespectful - until personal biases and agenda come into play. Intent isn't about honest debate anymore, it's about one-upmanship and finding subtle ways to attack. Some people like to hide behind the supposed nobility of their intent to simply get at the truth when really, it's to get at the person. There is a reason the phrase "wolf in sheep's clothing" came into being. Alllll about intent. Like Mike's comments to me - lovely compliments. Aren't they?
Of course, this is just my opinion. As for the rest of it with regards to fake identities and people posting whatever they want behind a fake name and it being untouchable or so they think, a matter for the courts apparently and that's why I posted the articles. Examples of actual circumstances where identities can be ordered revealed by courts. I had a similar thing happen with an ex-boyfriend and the police got involved. Fake identities and emails being sent to people....I didn't know it was him and was shocked to find out. He was very very computer savvy. But they found him anyway. Found the articles interesting and relevant and thought I'd post them for others like Deb and myself who have been targeted by people hiding like behind a fake identity as if that makes them untouchable. People can take away whatever is useful to them and leave the rest behind.
Trish
If I was upset, I'd be being sensitive. I'm simply making an observation in general and added that I'm amused...or rather the one-word comment of "Amusing" to be precise. Not sure where the sensitivity comes in unless it's that I'm rather prone to mirth in these circumstances.
Commenting on an opinion isn't attacking or disrespectful - until personal biases and agenda come into play. Intent isn't about honest debate anymore, it's about one-upmanship and finding subtle ways to attack. Some people like to hide behind the supposed nobility of their intent to simply get at the truth when really, it's to get at the person. There is a reason the phrase "wolf in sheep's clothing" came into being. Alllll about intent. Like Mike's comments to me - lovely compliments. Aren't they?
Of course, this is just my opinion. As for the rest of it with regards to fake identities and people posting whatever they want behind a fake name and it being untouchable or so they think, a matter for the courts apparently and that's why I posted the articles. Examples of actual circumstances where identities can be ordered revealed by courts. I had a similar thing happen with an ex-boyfriend and the police got involved. Fake identities and emails being sent to people....I didn't know it was him and was shocked to find out. He was very very computer savvy. But they found him anyway. Found the articles interesting and relevant and thought I'd post them for others like Deb and myself who have been targeted by people hiding like behind a fake identity as if that makes them untouchable. People can take away whatever is useful to them and leave the rest behind.
Trish
"I'm simply posting articles on cases that have gone before the courts. Somehow that seems to invite attacks."
Aren't you being a bit sensitive? Disagreeing or commenting on opinion/information isn't attacking or disrespectful.
Scooby Doo
Aren't you being a bit sensitive? Disagreeing or commenting on opinion/information isn't attacking or disrespectful.
Scooby Doo
Awww Mike.....so sweet of you to say. Always have such lovely things to say to people in your own special way. Have to give the credit where credit is due though. it was Deb - nygirl - who decided to educate us about people taking out false identities. Have to thank her for that for sure, it was certainly overlooked in the thread until she brought that into it. Certainly enlightening to me. Thanks Deb!!!
"Truth is a complete defense to defamation, and opinion cannot be defamation. "
Well you're the lawyer apparently or lapdog to one. I'm simply posting articles on cases that have gone before the courts. Somehow that seems to invite attacks. Then again, I could say the sky is blue and that would be sufficient. Amusing.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."
Winston Churchill
Well you're the lawyer apparently or lapdog to one. I'm simply posting articles on cases that have gone before the courts. Somehow that seems to invite attacks. Then again, I could say the sky is blue and that would be sufficient. Amusing.
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."
Winston Churchill
Thanks so much trish. You've been really helpful.
You're just wonderful to spend so much time guiding us through this intricate subject.
Thanks again.
Mike
You're just wonderful to spend so much time guiding us through this intricate subject.
Thanks again.
Mike
"There is a lot of very valuable information and insight in this thread. Since this issue is so complex the extensive elaboration is very instructive. This libel concept is simply fascinating. Who would have known?"
Clearly not a lawyer, obviously.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/07/12/nb-moncton-court-anonymous-commenter-disclosure-554.html
Robert Currie, a law professor at Dalhousie University in Halifax, said the Moncton court case illustrates that privacy on the internet has its limits.
Currie said he's seeing a diminishing appetite on the part of websites and internet providers to protect people who anonymously post.
"If you defame somebody on the internet, the courts can compel anybody who has your [identity] to reveal it and a civil action can be brought against you for defamation," Currie said.
Currie said people should think twice before posting anything on the internet and more people are using the courts to compel media companies to hand over the names of anonymous commenters.
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"On the internet, there is very little privacy, although people feel like they have a great deal of privacy because when you're sitting at your computer, it feels very anonymous," Currie said.
"And yet, you can always be identified, unless you're very, very skillful."
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/07/12/nb-moncton-court-anonymous-commenter-disclosure-554.html#ixzz12TQcSRMx
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http://www.lawyersweekly.ca/index.php?section=article&articleid=1010
"Still, ISPs can link IP addresses to customers, says Dimock, and anyone assuming they can hide their identity forever while posting defamatory statements on the Internet is mistaken.
“No one is truly anonymous,” says Dimock. "
Etc...etc....etc.
Clearly not a lawyer, obviously.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/07/12/nb-moncton-court-anonymous-commenter-disclosure-554.html
Robert Currie, a law professor at Dalhousie University in Halifax, said the Moncton court case illustrates that privacy on the internet has its limits.
Currie said he's seeing a diminishing appetite on the part of websites and internet providers to protect people who anonymously post.
"If you defame somebody on the internet, the courts can compel anybody who has your [identity] to reveal it and a civil action can be brought against you for defamation," Currie said.
Currie said people should think twice before posting anything on the internet and more people are using the courts to compel media companies to hand over the names of anonymous commenters.
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"On the internet, there is very little privacy, although people feel like they have a great deal of privacy because when you're sitting at your computer, it feels very anonymous," Currie said.
"And yet, you can always be identified, unless you're very, very skillful."
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/07/12/nb-moncton-court-anonymous-commenter-disclosure-554.html#ixzz12TQcSRMx
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http://www.lawyersweekly.ca/index.php?section=article&articleid=1010
"Still, ISPs can link IP addresses to customers, says Dimock, and anyone assuming they can hide their identity forever while posting defamatory statements on the Internet is mistaken.
“No one is truly anonymous,” says Dimock. "
Etc...etc....etc.
Or that ask the same question 69 times assuming that the answer will finally be different if they don't give up. Like we'll just cave and say oh yeah positive doesn't really mean positive it means wow good luck!
Along those lines, I don't like the people that show up out of nowhere, know just about everything (or think they do)..stir the pot, cause trouble and pooff they're gone.
How do you even know I am really me? Maybe I'm some guy at 'Debs' job who has access to her facebook account and I'm really some sicko who makes up crap like how many kids and a whole fake story. Who would really know? Maybe I am really Steven Tyler after all - certainly that would take me out of the poor little inadequate group and lump me into something relevent anyways :)
Sadly though, those freakazoids will always exist on the internet (not Steven - just to be clear there).
Since I don't work at the FBI or CIA or something or claim to have a relative who does...I will never know who is legit and who is not so it's best to just act like they all are not. Much safer.
Sadly though, those freakazoids will always exist on the internet (not Steven - just to be clear there).
Since I don't work at the FBI or CIA or something or claim to have a relative who does...I will never know who is legit and who is not so it's best to just act like they all are not. Much safer.
You really see it all online! I know there are people on the internet who secretly feel they're not as good as others - people who feel they are poor little inadequate nobodies. I guess that is what causes them to do things that will make them feel important. So they make claims of having information nobody else has. To me its hard to believe anybody would decide that out of all the people in the world with internet access, they know who is posting what. And pretend that they have access to information that is, any rational person would agree, nobody could know.
There is a lot of very valuable information and insight in this thread. Since this issue is so complex the extensive elaboration is very instructive. This libel concept is simply fascinating. Who would have known?
Thanks again,
Mike
Thanks again,
Mike
PS I'm not going to accuse anyone of doing anything in here because I am in fact the one who was paranoid enough to believe that someone on this forum was completely made up.......and I was uh wrong ;)
PS Michael you are light years ahead of us hwo could you be learning from us? ;-P
PS Michael you are light years ahead of us hwo could you be learning from us? ;-P
Just because you said something in an email or on the internet does not mean someone else has the right to do whatever they want with it. "
Unfortunately, wth all the cyber bullying going on that I hear of in the news lately - little girls killing themselves because of information/pictures getting around/people finding out for example that man was gay and then he killed himself when the vid went viral........it seems it is almost a moot point that a person should or shouldn't do something. If they are smart enough to get the information, they will use it.
Once something is out there - it's out there for good. Kids need to learn to be careful with what they are doing (adults too!)
Unfortunately, wth all the cyber bullying going on that I hear of in the news lately - little girls killing themselves because of information/pictures getting around/people finding out for example that man was gay and then he killed himself when the vid went viral........it seems it is almost a moot point that a person should or shouldn't do something. If they are smart enough to get the information, they will use it.
Once something is out there - it's out there for good. Kids need to learn to be careful with what they are doing (adults too!)
Sometimes I just don't understand what people are talking about.
I guess some people are just very smart - over my head for sure.
Great discussion. I am leaning a lot.
Slow Mike
I guess some people are just very smart - over my head for sure.
Great discussion. I am leaning a lot.
Slow Mike
"Best advice is if you don't want someone on the internet to know something - never, ever say it if you do it becomes fair game. It's only the internet in the end but words and copy and paste have power. "
Not exactly. There are limits to what you can do to someone on the internet, Deb. Just because you said something in an email or on the internet does not mean someone else has the right to do whatever they want with it. Believe it or not, there are actually laws that can intervene in some cases. There have been some libel cases in the news over the past year and people have been forced to reveal their real identity because what they said libelled someone. Such as your fake identity situation if it crossed over into breaking any kind of laws. Takes awhile to investigate and then to get to laying charges but it can happen.
Not exactly. There are limits to what you can do to someone on the internet, Deb. Just because you said something in an email or on the internet does not mean someone else has the right to do whatever they want with it. Believe it or not, there are actually laws that can intervene in some cases. There have been some libel cases in the news over the past year and people have been forced to reveal their real identity because what they said libelled someone. Such as your fake identity situation if it crossed over into breaking any kind of laws. Takes awhile to investigate and then to get to laying charges but it can happen.
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