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315996 tn?1429057829

Went to GP for lactulose script, A, B, Pneumonia Vaccs


So I saw someone in my GP's office (any available doctor) and tried to give him my reasons for getting a perscription for lactulose. He had a suttle fit that it wasn't mainstream medically accepted for non-chirosis HCV carriers. I told him that I probably wasn't going to take enough to blow the backside of my pants off, but I wanted the option to try it. He got all huffy about supplements and how I was wasting my money and that there was no science. I guess I wouldn't have expected anything less of him. He wouldn't take the printout I had made from discussions on this forum. Said he wouldn't read it because it wasn't scient. Anyway, I got the script and decided not to talk about all the other stuff I am interested in. Jerk off. Walk a mile in my liver you conservative putz.

Anyway, the nurse came back in and bang, bang, bang, I got the A, B, and pneumonia vaccines. (or the first in the series for A and B). God bless nurses.

Went to the dentist earlier in the day and told the hygenist when she asked me if there were any changes in my health (hell yes). She was really accepting and went to ask the dentist and the dentist just said, "active TB is the only one we can't do work on". It wasn't even a yes/no about me. They made me feel really good about myself. I wasn't going to tell them I was so worried.

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92903 tn?1309908311
Just be sure to start by taking the stuff at night.

-- Gassy
315996 tn?1429057829

Thanks. Probably just take half a dose. If it helps stave off fibrosis in a chirotic liver, it should do the same in a *normal* HCV liver, no? I don't think being chirotic makes the lactulose act any different.



315996 tn?1429057829

I think it does something like inhibit ammonia production. Haven't been following any regime with the stuff, probably going to do half dose at bedtime or quarter dose with each meal or just take it when I eat a lot of protein. Bi-product of protein digestion is ammonia. The goal is to keep the ammonia and enzymes down, no?

144210 tn?1273092382
Lactulose  (prebiotic) helps your digestion bacteria clear out impurities (like ammonia). Lactobacillus GG (probiotic) actually puts these friendly bacteria into your system.
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MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
Lactulose is totally harmless and very beneficial, since the bacteria that thrive upon it will expand in numbers and  pushback/replace the ones that use leftover amino acids as foodstuff, producing ammonia and other toxic products.  You titer it down to the extent that the gas production ( hydrogen and carbondioxide)/bowel frequency is tolerable.

In stages of life threatening intoxication of the brain from intestinal toxic products that the damaged liver cannot handle anymore - ammonia AND other products - enemas with up to 200ml of lactulose are given and are life saving.

Lactulose is not absorbed into the bloodstream at all. If it would, it would still  be quickly excreted in the kidneys, since it is extremely water soluble. It is a simple sugar , for which we have no import/transmembrane transport mechanism available, so we do not have the capacity to enter it into our intracellular milieu.
315996 tn?1429057829

And now I know the rest of the story! Thank you very much!

92903 tn?1309908311
Hydrogen, huh?

Maybe I'll change my moniker to hindenburg...
233616 tn?1312790796
just keep a box of matches by your bed or you might get accused of what I did.........hubby said

"whew when did the cat get locked in here??"  :  ))))))))))))))))))))))))

233616 tn?1312790796
was it your GP or Flora who poo pooed the supplements...
write and tell me what you are getting and where OK??
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Do lactulose and inulin do the same thing or should one consider using both? jm
315996 tn?1429057829

Please read the title of this thread. Slowly amassing my list (gauf's list). Plan to break it down to cost per day/month. Not yet, though. Bought from www.betterlife.com (LEF Curcumin, LEF D3, Olympic Labs Reservetrol) and bought a slew of stuff from www.vitacost.com. I hate it when they put the NSI brand at the top of all the search. Bought some of the NSI stuff if it looked cheaper. Who's to say. Gotta start somewhere. Wallet is losing a lot of weight, you should too before you look to the golden pill. {insert hysteria here}



Avatar universal
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
Inulin and lactulose will beneficially grow/foster

slightly different strains

of beneficial/nontoxic/noninflammatory/intestinal epithelia feeding(yes!) bactreria that will     together      more efficiently  push back the dangerous ammonia/slew of other toxins producing/proinflammatory harmful bacteria to small numbers by competing for available space and by the production of natural local antibiotic factors that reduce the growth potential of the more pathogenic species.

The importance of blocking/reducing  proinflammatory signals and toxins to the liver in a condition of compromised liver function and an already inflammatory state in the liver cannot be overstated.

Similarily the related concept  of reduction of "leaky gut syndrome"/ amount of residual epithelial leakage due to compromised intestinal endothelial function to a minimum  by "eubiosis" is of paramount importance.
A teaspoon of Glutamine/day is also further important in that context, since the rapidly dividing intestinal epithelial cells require this particular amino acid in particular high amounts.
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Thanks, yet once again. jerry
315996 tn?1429057829

Not another one! Wait! I just remembered I have a 750 gram jar of L-Glutamine sitting in my cupboard from my weightlifting-nutrition days. Hope the "L-" is ok. I'm still puny by the way, didn't get huge weightlifting. :(

Avatar universal
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
Make sure your leftover it is not L-Glutamic acid. It is L-Glutamine what the intestinal lining cells need. Those two are easily confused.
92903 tn?1309908311
Speaking of L-stuff, in a fit of who-knows-what, I ordered the following L-junk for no apparent reason a month or so ago. Is either of the following beneficial or harmful?

(1) L-arginine-alpha-ketoglutarate
(2) BCAAs (L-leucine, L-isoleucine, L-valine)
92903 tn?1309908311
Speaking of L-stuff, in a fit of who-knows-what, I ordered the following L-junk for no apparent reason a month or so ago. Is either of the following beneficial or harmful?

(1) L-arginine-alpha-ketoglutarate
(2) BCAAs (L-leucine, L-isoleucine, L-valine)
92903 tn?1309908311
As long as I'm picking your brain here.... those lactulose enemas you've reported on... are they using the same mechanism as the oral dose? It would seem not, as it would take a fair amount of time to redistribute the flora ratios..... right?

OMG, I can't imagine the gasseous results from high power lactulose enemas,,,,, yowzah!!!
315996 tn?1429057829

Yes, it's L-Glutamine. For anyone else, it doesn't look to be that expensive by the way.

GoofyDad:
No more fart talk!


315996 tn?1429057829

Ok, just a little more fart talk. Will Beano work or would it be counteractive to the whole scheme of things?

92903 tn?1309908311
I would have to say no, absolutely not. That would be like taking a parasol into a monsoon. A squirtgun into an inferno.

Actually, once your body adjusts, the lactulose farts are almost non-existent. But they do arise occaisionally, and there's no mistaking them. They are truly unique.

When I first started with the lactulose, I began mulling the invention of a fart capturing aperatus that would insert into your anus with a rubber nipple attached to length of plastic tubing. Emissions would be either directed into an activated charcoal filter strapped to your ankle, or possibly a mylar balloon tied to your wrist. You could change the theme of the balloon to match the current holiday.  
315996 tn?1429057829

Here ya go, little fella!!
http://tinyurl.com/ys36r2

hahahaha
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