Ottmar,
I went looking for the post from Dr. Hook that went on to say that the combined test is mainly responsible for high false positives than the false negative. When I searched for it guess who I came up with for the first result... It was you.
From Dr. Hook on your Expert request.
The reason the type-specific IgG tests are recommended by experts is because the other, combined and non-specific tests tend to be misleading because of false positve results more often than being falsely negative. As for the HerpeSelect, at 3 months and 6 months about 95% of persons with HSV will have positive tests. Whether the last 5% ever develop antibodies is not known as studies have not been carried out that far (too expensive).
I mean if it came back negative well then I would assume you don't have it given that if you had something the test would have more then likely been positive.
We are at an impass. I can't convince you that you are just fine and taking things to somewhat of an extreme in my own mind. You can't convince me that you have herpes because the evidence you have provided shows otherwise. I am not a betting man but I am willing to bet your tests will continue to be negative as long as you haven't engaged in any new sexual/kissing encounters.
That will be all from me in regards to your post as well Ottmar. I appreciate and think your testing for IgG in Canada is great but I think your fear is unjustified. Like Joe I will not answer any further of your posts because I don't feel that you will listen to us. I really don't mind you won't listen to me but the Experts including grace to me is just beyond me. You paid for their advice they gave it to you.
actually I think it's more strep A than strep B if I recall. enteroviruses can cause it too. several others I can't recall off the top of my head.
grace
Grace, would you happen to know what viral illnesses NGU can result from? I know that strep throat can cause it, normal oral flora and a viral infection that is supposedly a member of the HSV (starts with a Cr...something) family but very common among the general pop. and has pretty much little to no symptoms. I am not trying to HJ this thread, just wondering what batch of "bugs" other then HSV can cause this. I took 2g Z-pac at the start and did read that it can cause some of the flu like stuff that some people experience as side effects. No stiff neck, or actual fevel, just a hot feeling, never had any oral HSV exposure to have sore throat just genital.
Mistakeguy789:
If I had a second (first was specific Immunoblot) Igg type specific test at 6 months, not the wrong combined test, that would be different. The lab just messed up where they were sending the sample, the ambiguity, sensetivity of combined tests is what makes me disregard its result.
there are also viral illnesses that cause ngu too. typically the flu like symtoms we refer to with genital herpes infections are stiff neck, photophobia, fever and that general "did anyone get the number of that bus that ran over me?" type symptoms. sore throats can be due to oral herpes but in general, they are due to other causes.
grace
A combined IgG being negative is pretty darn good if you ask me. The test is inaccurate when it comes to positives (as I believe you were told on the expert forums too.)
I understand you are trying to relate. But we all know that right now you don't appear to have herpes in all your test results confirmed that. Oh well we shall see. :-)
I'm not trying to stir fear in people, just trying to relate to others who had similar symptoms. Yes I did have two tests BUT the second one was a combined IgG for both, this is why I discount the results of that one and think the 15 week one was not enough for antibodies to develop. That's all. I just sent off blood work for a 7 month test....and the coming result is freaking me out
Ottmar with all due respect I think your case is and has been discussed on your own thread. Everyone has told you including the experts on STD forums. I don't feel that you have HSV I think you and Joe both have symptoms that are related to something else. You have been tested re-tested and have shown to not have HSV. Until otherwise I seriously think you need to move on from Herpes and look into a real cause.
Please don't try to stir fear in others posting here about symptoms that truly can be a million other things. Typical HSV symptoms can come in different forms and with that they will experince some typical things that can be seen by a doctor to help make their case more for HSV or not.
True but I had the symptoms same wee that I had the supposed NGU diagnosis. Had the whole chills, fevel like symptoms, sore throat......I know they can be typical HSV symptoms or something else. But with my issues Im leaning twoards HSV.
Sure but so could a number of different viruses. Flu like symptoms are out there for just about everything. H1N1 is one virus that I can think of that has the same thing. So does just about any virus including.. the flu. I really would say that Grace has a lot of knowledge and she wouldn't steer any member of these forums the wrong direction.
Grace,
I know you do not think that whoops234 has HSV but aren't flu like symptoms, sore throat and chills a symptoms of HSV infection, be it type 1 or 2??? Even without obvious lesions correct?
Hey,
I just sent you a PM.
How I wish I could just believe you: now my mouth feels like a bad cold, I have blisters under the tongue. And I'm aching all over my bladder and the side channels that go to the groin are warm and swollen. Tip of penis very itchy and red. No pain urinating. My wife's cold is going down to her throat and lungs, and she was complaining of vaginal discharge. I'll go back to the clinic on Monday.
once again, none of this sounds like herpes going on . it is the time of the year when colds and flu are going around. no reason to suspect that your partner's symptoms are due to herpes.
grace
I went to the clinic but they were not very helpful. They took a urine sample and tested for chlamidia (negative). They said they couldn't test for herpes since I didn't have open sores (nor sores at all). They thought I shouldn't even bother to check after a waiting period (I was asking, and I understand we can't do a blood test now if exposure was only 3 weeks ago). It's still a bit itchy but nowhere near it was last week. I feel geenrally tired and thought I had a fever last week, and my mouth is feels dry (or my saliva is very thick). No sores there either that I can see. The really bad news is that my wife came down with a bad sorethroat and flu two days ago, with fever and reported pain like menstruation (but that isn't the right time). The fever went away and she feels better now. But I'm totally freaking out for her and our little toddler.
also washing up after sex does nothing to prevent std's. all it does is make you smell better.
this doesn't sound at all like genital herpes going on.
see your provider for a proper exam.
grace
You should have had the spot looked at by your doctor. They can help you give a better idea of what is going on there. You could have hemmorroids and you could have had a fungal infection. Something to do is to go to your doctor have them look at your symptoms now so they can tell you what they think.
Unprotected oral sex is a low risk. If she had no sores on her lips it is a good indication she wasn't having an outbreak if she had HSV to being with. Not everyone is a walking STD. Your symptoms can be anywhere in the boxer shorts region. However, accoridng to Dr. Hook and Dr. HHH the typically show up in the first site of infection. But see your doctor or local STD clinic for a full evaluation.
If you are happly married I would invite that you and your wife be doing the sexual contact so that your fear of getting herpes doesn't come back.