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My sister withdrew my mothers 10 15 year heart medications she says with authority of the local G.P.I returned home and insisted my mother be taken to the hospital.I just found the doctors modified order to hospice.It says hospice to continue to oversee patients plan of care as general in patient and she was in the hospital to be evaluated for dysphagia and consciousness.I read this to say to the hospital forget the heart medications as there is already a plan of care with hospice.
Not a lawyer, but had similar situation. Grandmother needed medication was diabetic, gave her insulin shots, checked her glucose levels and crushed her pills (mixed w/ applesauce or babyfood) for about 10 years before became "terminal". Then family ALL met w/ GP and agreed to continue supportive care at home, but NO calling ambulance or using CPR when was her "time" to die.
We posted legal document (advance directive- family style) in her room, to protect her and all caregivers. She passed peacefully few months later, but was HARD not to call 911. I'm sorry for your situation, but sounds as if sister has "jumped the gun" and if she is primary caregiver I don't know how you can force her to give the medications. Even a court order might not do any good unless your mother is moved somewhere else?
Are you prepared to fight your sister in court and has anyone ASKED Mom what her wishes are? My grandmother hadn't "seemed" to be aware of who we were for years, but her husband died first, and when I told her (everyone thought I was crazy!) her expression changed (first time in years) and she cried. So, don't underestimate Mom's ability to understand a direct question, she may not want to "be a burden", but you can assure her she isn't... if that's the case. But, whatever her condition, at least ask her! SBF
We posted legal document (advance directive- family style) in her room, to protect her and all caregivers. She passed peacefully few months later, but was HARD not to call 911. I'm sorry for your situation, but sounds as if sister has "jumped the gun" and if she is primary caregiver I don't know how you can force her to give the medications. Even a court order might not do any good unless your mother is moved somewhere else?
Are you prepared to fight your sister in court and has anyone ASKED Mom what her wishes are? My grandmother hadn't "seemed" to be aware of who we were for years, but her husband died first, and when I told her (everyone thought I was crazy!) her expression changed (first time in years) and she cried. So, don't underestimate Mom's ability to understand a direct question, she may not want to "be a burden", but you can assure her she isn't... if that's the case. But, whatever her condition, at least ask her! SBF
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
I cannot answer your question. The answer varies state to state and if your mother has a durable power of attorney or living will.
Dear SBF,
I rergreat now finding you earlier.There is the emotional side,legal side and medical side which you have identified for me.My mother passed away on 11/2/2006 alone in a California nursing home.She already was living in a Chicago nursing home next to her sister and 70 relatives.My mother was a simple person and only had a few wishes one was to die with her family my sisters deprived her of that.While her family waited for her remains for a service and burial my sisters snuck into town without notice and uried her.I have a strong elder abuse case in N.C. where sister two lives.As a 15 year hear patient 88,after I left for China they took my mother on a 7500 trip that resulted in a stroke and dementia 8/2006.Their first act of business was to change trustees of her trust and successor trustees one by forgery.Emotional abuse whent on as well as financial.My sisters withdrew $650,000 in 14 months while my mother lived with them.She went to California in 2/2007 and lived in a house 100 steps up from the street in a 5'x9' sewing room for 10 months without a phone.My case there except for the moner is from 5/3-6/9.When my sisters heard I was coming in two days Hospice was in beginning 5/31 after a sccessful 5/3 cardiologist appt.10 heart medications became haldol and morphine and vallium over night and comatose so she could not eplain what had happened.On 6/6 the dishonest GP agreed to a full evaluation including cardiology.Now I read the hopice report and it stated to check for swallowing and her conciniousness.Follow Hospce plan of care for the balance.Confirmation of haldol,restore heart medications was determined on 6/6,two days later no doctor or medications,she is discharged to a nursing home with medications although my sister ignored her third doctors order.Now she knows there is no where to go with me as the lioes ran out.My sisters pre planned an order of protection while I was in China in a town my sister lived for 40 years, was politically connected ands had my mothers trust fund.The third tresspassing call was made and TROP was taken out.I petitioned for a conservator in California and a Guardian in Illinois.With all of my evidence and a medical expert witness my attorney choose to go to the hearing with only pleadings and we lost,he did not even cross examine APS or the publc defender who were on my sisters side,his adversley affected the Illinois motion.At the restraining order there had been no contact for 6 weeks.APS came although my mothers case was closed for three weeks and during their invlvemet wher was no contact with anyone living in my sisters house including my mother.APS said she supported my sisters motion.No witnesses or evidence but a three year protective order preventing me from seeing my mother.From 6/13-11/2 I saw her for a total of 1-1/2 hours including a hospital visit for a bad fall and an arrest in front of her,5 more lawyers followed not one motion although the had the same evidence as the first one.My mothersmoney and connections did me and my mother in,Here are a few of the avenues that were open to them,revoke POA,TRO elder abuse,hire a lawyer for my mother,bing her to court,writ of habious corpus, however the all decided to do noptingg,from my hotel room for the next 90 days I wrote 120 letters all unanswered,Here is my case.The medical part for 36 days is it and it is heart medications,haldol,valium and morphine,there is no way my mother dererriorated from 5/3 to 5/31 her sister and Italked to her very often,I have to tie my return to what she did and convinced others to do,5/28 letter,5,31 appointment,6/1 return,my brother in law stating my two sisters pre planed the TRO,improper entrance into hospice,5/3 fie,5/31/terminally iil,5/31-6:00pm California time from China "come and get me I am being hurt and poisoned" this is the day Hospice was signed in but no signing or agreement by my mother,all papers signed by my sister as my mother saying next to each (dementia) funny she can talk to me but not hospice,they are not going to talk to me after the letter I wrote them two days ago along to the GP,hospital,doctor,Nursing home and my sisters lawyer,Can you come up with any plausable defense for thm from 5/3-5/31 and two more doctors order after ignored.If I can porove what I know I will win my case,my sisters intent was to kill her and the others played along.Her living will says when death is imminant determined by an attending physician no more life support except medication,water and food,I revoked my sisters Illinois POA while my mother was in the hospital the only way she was able, verbally, valid under the Illinoiss POA document which my sister operated from everyone was given a copy but none acted,Hospice refers to it in their notes but a copy was not sent to me with their records,if someone conceals orfails to recognize a revocation by Illinois law the charge if the person dies by willful means is manslaughter.So that is the saga of a mother and her son.I am trying to figure out my next step.T date I have wasted $120,000.
Thank you for your understanding.
I rergreat now finding you earlier.There is the emotional side,legal side and medical side which you have identified for me.My mother passed away on 11/2/2006 alone in a California nursing home.She already was living in a Chicago nursing home next to her sister and 70 relatives.My mother was a simple person and only had a few wishes one was to die with her family my sisters deprived her of that.While her family waited for her remains for a service and burial my sisters snuck into town without notice and uried her.I have a strong elder abuse case in N.C. where sister two lives.As a 15 year hear patient 88,after I left for China they took my mother on a 7500 trip that resulted in a stroke and dementia 8/2006.Their first act of business was to change trustees of her trust and successor trustees one by forgery.Emotional abuse whent on as well as financial.My sisters withdrew $650,000 in 14 months while my mother lived with them.She went to California in 2/2007 and lived in a house 100 steps up from the street in a 5'x9' sewing room for 10 months without a phone.My case there except for the moner is from 5/3-6/9.When my sisters heard I was coming in two days Hospice was in beginning 5/31 after a sccessful 5/3 cardiologist appt.10 heart medications became haldol and morphine and vallium over night and comatose so she could not eplain what had happened.On 6/6 the dishonest GP agreed to a full evaluation including cardiology.Now I read the hopice report and it stated to check for swallowing and her conciniousness.Follow Hospce plan of care for the balance.Confirmation of haldol,restore heart medications was determined on 6/6,two days later no doctor or medications,she is discharged to a nursing home with medications although my sister ignored her third doctors order.Now she knows there is no where to go with me as the lioes ran out.My sisters pre planned an order of protection while I was in China in a town my sister lived for 40 years, was politically connected ands had my mothers trust fund.The third tresspassing call was made and TROP was taken out.I petitioned for a conservator in California and a Guardian in Illinois.With all of my evidence and a medical expert witness my attorney choose to go to the hearing with only pleadings and we lost,he did not even cross examine APS or the publc defender who were on my sisters side,his adversley affected the Illinois motion.At the restraining order there had been no contact for 6 weeks.APS came although my mothers case was closed for three weeks and during their invlvemet wher was no contact with anyone living in my sisters house including my mother.APS said she supported my sisters motion.No witnesses or evidence but a three year protective order preventing me from seeing my mother.From 6/13-11/2 I saw her for a total of 1-1/2 hours including a hospital visit for a bad fall and an arrest in front of her,5 more lawyers followed not one motion although the had the same evidence as the first one.My mothersmoney and connections did me and my mother in,Here are a few of the avenues that were open to them,revoke POA,TRO elder abuse,hire a lawyer for my mother,bing her to court,writ of habious corpus, however the all decided to do noptingg,from my hotel room for the next 90 days I wrote 120 letters all unanswered,Here is my case.The medical part for 36 days is it and it is heart medications,haldol,valium and morphine,there is no way my mother dererriorated from 5/3 to 5/31 her sister and Italked to her very often,I have to tie my return to what she did and convinced others to do,5/28 letter,5,31 appointment,6/1 return,my brother in law stating my two sisters pre planed the TRO,improper entrance into hospice,5/3 fie,5/31/terminally iil,5/31-6:00pm California time from China "come and get me I am being hurt and poisoned" this is the day Hospice was signed in but no signing or agreement by my mother,all papers signed by my sister as my mother saying next to each (dementia) funny she can talk to me but not hospice,they are not going to talk to me after the letter I wrote them two days ago along to the GP,hospital,doctor,Nursing home and my sisters lawyer,Can you come up with any plausable defense for thm from 5/3-5/31 and two more doctors order after ignored.If I can porove what I know I will win my case,my sisters intent was to kill her and the others played along.Her living will says when death is imminant determined by an attending physician no more life support except medication,water and food,I revoked my sisters Illinois POA while my mother was in the hospital the only way she was able, verbally, valid under the Illinoiss POA document which my sister operated from everyone was given a copy but none acted,Hospice refers to it in their notes but a copy was not sent to me with their records,if someone conceals orfails to recognize a revocation by Illinois law the charge if the person dies by willful means is manslaughter.So that is the saga of a mother and her son.I am trying to figure out my next step.T date I have wasted $120,000.
Thank you for your understanding.
Fred, I'm a little confused, after re-reading your note, I'm catching your use of the past tense... so I have to ask, Is your mother alive and on all those powerful drugs? Are you saying she has been killed by a system set up to relieve extreme suffering?
If so I'm flabergasted and so sorry! If not then your mom is being treated as if she has no rights. Is your sister legal guardian? Given the right information a judge will provide a court order to suspend the guardianship and move her immediately to where she can have good care. the doctor who OK'd hospice may have been lied to, or could just be in it for the money from what you say!
This is such a terrible strain on you, I am sending my prayers to all of you! But get in touch with the toughest family law/heath law attorney you can find and stop this awful mess if you can. No fault of yours if you can't but your sister should be ashamed and probably checked for mental problems herself... it's an angle to bring up with the lawyer anyway. A sane and loving daughter wouldn't be in any rush to do these things, so something is certainly wrong with her!
I am serious, if there is $ involved it can make people kinda crazy, so don't approach the situation with anything less than the smartest and toughest lawyer in town!
The doctor should probably be informed there will be a formal complaint with the state medical board... may make a huge difference in what and how quickly things happen, no matter how much $ is involved, ethics violations are very serious business and the doctor will have more interest in keeping license than "helping" your sister with this madness... Visit your Mom and tell her you love her... let the director of Hospice know what is going on, this is a time to go straight to the top and don't take NO for an answer, if they aren't available... go wait in the office until they are!
Hospice peole are generally kind and loving or they wouldn't be in the business they are in, and doing what you say is going on... doctor's orders or no, is against all ethical principles. They will change the medication back if you can tell the Boss what is going on, as the last thing they want is to hurt someone or have any bad publicity that would cause people to hesitate to use their services!
My prayers are with you, let your business mind figure out how to make what your heart knows is right happen. Think of it as a hostile takover, and fight back if you're certain of your facts! Best wishes Sir, for a quick resolution! For all your sakes. SBF
If so I'm flabergasted and so sorry! If not then your mom is being treated as if she has no rights. Is your sister legal guardian? Given the right information a judge will provide a court order to suspend the guardianship and move her immediately to where she can have good care. the doctor who OK'd hospice may have been lied to, or could just be in it for the money from what you say!
This is such a terrible strain on you, I am sending my prayers to all of you! But get in touch with the toughest family law/heath law attorney you can find and stop this awful mess if you can. No fault of yours if you can't but your sister should be ashamed and probably checked for mental problems herself... it's an angle to bring up with the lawyer anyway. A sane and loving daughter wouldn't be in any rush to do these things, so something is certainly wrong with her!
I am serious, if there is $ involved it can make people kinda crazy, so don't approach the situation with anything less than the smartest and toughest lawyer in town!
The doctor should probably be informed there will be a formal complaint with the state medical board... may make a huge difference in what and how quickly things happen, no matter how much $ is involved, ethics violations are very serious business and the doctor will have more interest in keeping license than "helping" your sister with this madness... Visit your Mom and tell her you love her... let the director of Hospice know what is going on, this is a time to go straight to the top and don't take NO for an answer, if they aren't available... go wait in the office until they are!
Hospice peole are generally kind and loving or they wouldn't be in the business they are in, and doing what you say is going on... doctor's orders or no, is against all ethical principles. They will change the medication back if you can tell the Boss what is going on, as the last thing they want is to hurt someone or have any bad publicity that would cause people to hesitate to use their services!
My prayers are with you, let your business mind figure out how to make what your heart knows is right happen. Think of it as a hostile takover, and fight back if you're certain of your facts! Best wishes Sir, for a quick resolution! For all your sakes. SBF
Thank ou for sharring your experience with meMy sisters motive was quite different .A lot of money an awful lot while I was in China.She did not think my mother was ever coming home until my phone call.She panicked called her local GP,called in Hospice and substituted haldol,morphine and vallium for her heart medictions in one day.My mother was not in pain.This was 5/31/2007 one day before my return.On 5/3 before she knew I was coming the cardiologist said she was fine and continued her medications and to come back in four months.I took her to the hospital and my sisterbehind my back refused to allow her to be medicated same thing on discharge.Three doctors orders but a 60 year old uneducated houseife who is psychotic knows better.My mother had he right to live and the will to live anyone without cause that takes away her lfe line wants to kill her
Dear Annette,
After a cardiolist evaluated my mother on 5/3 she was to continue her heart medications of 15 years.On 5/31 my sister withdrew them for spitting them out she says.She brought in Hospice with the help of a local GP.I took my mother to the hospital but they were unable to help my mopther as Hospice had already been appointed.
My mother was not terminally ill at the time.Without her medications she probably was.Does anyone for any reason have the right to withdraw heart medications unless the patient is in the final stage of dying and their organ are shutting down?
Thank you.
Fred
After a cardiolist evaluated my mother on 5/3 she was to continue her heart medications of 15 years.On 5/31 my sister withdrew them for spitting them out she says.She brought in Hospice with the help of a local GP.I took my mother to the hospital but they were unable to help my mopther as Hospice had already been appointed.
My mother was not terminally ill at the time.Without her medications she probably was.Does anyone for any reason have the right to withdraw heart medications unless the patient is in the final stage of dying and their organ are shutting down?
Thank you.
Fred
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