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It's been awhile since I posted anything here.  I am still making headway after 4yrs of rna/dna inhibition via various herbals.   Some of you here are new, so here's a brief recount of what I have going on.  I can remember the first ticks mom every pulled off me, they were at the hairline on the right side of my neck.  I was 3 or 4 yrs old.  I'm now 57.  Over the years the area of my neck where these bites were has gotten hard and inflexible, almost like I have a tumor there.  After 4yrs of rna/dna inhibition, this area is gradually getting softer and smaller.  I still don't know just what "it" is, but who cares, long as it goes away.  Could be lyme or one of its coinfections, might even be cancer since I know I got the Salk vaccine and its SV40 virus in 1962.  But, since the ticks were there....This area has caused me quite a bit of problems over the years, stiff neck, cracking neck, sometimes a sharp pain like an electrical shock when I moved my head a certain way(lhermitte's sign).  And given its position at the top of my neck, the stuff probably had access to my brain stem.  There were times over the years that I felt more than just a little disconnected from my body.  As this lump goes down, that disconnected feeling is getting to be less and less.  A few months back I reported I had a die off of microvermin in my knees, made my skin look older when they left, but the knees got a lot more flexible.  Something died around the area of my left shoulder blade last week.  Again, the skin got older looking, but the shoulder blade, which pops out of joint, feels a lot better.  Borellia, mycoplasmas, and cancers all have a need for glucuronic and/or hyaluronic acid in order to reproduce, so one often finds colonies of them near joints.  Someday, I'll be rid of all of them!  They are stubborn, but I am more stubborn than any little microvermin could hope to be.  I think these herbals will be lifelong pals of mine.
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Well, hey there, bob!  Good to hear you're still kickin' -- and even (knock wood) making progress.  Keep us posted --
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Nice to hear from you.  I have come to realize I will be on herbs for the rest of my life too.
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What has been doing the most for me is an herb that contains natural quinolones, the chemicals that big pharma turned into the somewhat toxic fluoroquinolones.  The quinolones are not just antibiotic, they also stop expression of SV40's T-antigen, and show some anti-viral activity.  I also found a chemical that is pretty good at dissolving biofilms, limonene.  It has also been used in cancer therapy.  I discovered its solvent properties in an odd way though.  I put a few drops of the essential oil in a cup of McDonald's coffee.  Next thing I knew, I had coffee all over!  The limonene had dissolved the top of the styrofoam cup and part of the lid.  The two components fused together as they cooled.  Limonene also dissolves fat and sterols that mycoplasmas make their cell envelope from.  Gotta keep trying, but I sure wish I'd found these things back when I was in my 30's.  I spent a lot of money on supplements trying to get better and bigger, not realizing that I was feeding parasites.  Now, I'm getting too old to change much physically.  But, living in a small town where many of the people were given the one two punch of SV40 and mycoplasma via vaccinations, I can see how lucky I am compared to others.  Getting what is at the back of my neck may have kept worse things from getting to my brain.  The ticks got to me before I was given Dr. Salk's witches brew.
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[Part 1 of 2]

If I'm reading your post correctly, you are referring to the situation some years ago during a time that ‘live’ polio virus was used for vaccination instead of virus that had been killed and was no longer able to infect the patient (but was still able to stimulating the immune system to create antibodies against polio infection, in case the patient picked up a rogue virus that was still able to cause infection).  

To my understanding, the concern about polio spreading is no longer the case in most of the world, so your own experience may no longer be the current approach in medicine.  

> Would you kindly confirm that status (assuming you agree) so that anyone reading your post above does *not* assume that they will have problems taking polio immunizations currently.

(Note that the very last line of what is pasted below refers to the topic:  
“Issues    SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer” for anyone interested in reading further on that particular aspect.

Below is from the website:

    immunizationinfo  [dot]   org   /   vaccines    /    polio (Updated: February 13, 2008)    

[please take out the extra spaces and replace [dot] with a period if you are searching for that URL online]
Table of Contents

    1-- Understanding the Disease
    2 -- Available Vaccines
    3 -- History of the Vaccine
--->>>    4 -- Who Should and Should Not Receive the Vaccine?<<< ---
    5 -- Dose Schedule
    6 -- Effectiveness of the Vaccine
    7 -- Known Side Effects
    8 -- Related Issues
    9 -- Key References and Sources of Additional Information
    10 -- CDC Information
1 -- Understanding the Disease

Polio is caused by intestinal viruses that spread from person to person in stool and saliva. Most people infected with polio (approximately 95%) show no symptoms. Minor symptoms can include sore throat, low-grade fever, nausea, and vomiting. Some infected persons (1 to 2%) will have stiffness in the neck, back, or legs without paralysis. Less than 1% of polio infections (about 1 of every 1,000 cases) cause paralysis. In some cases, the poliovirus will paralyze the muscles used to breathe, leaving the victim unable to breathe on his or her own. Many paralyzed persons recover completely. Those who do recover from paralytic polio may be affected 30 to 40 years later, with muscle pain and progressive weakness.

Before the polio vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 people were paralyzed by polio, and about 1,000 people died from it each year in the United States. Most of those infected were elementary school children so it was often called ‘infantile paralysis.’

The incidence of paralytic polio peaked in the U.S. in 1952 with 21,000 reported cases and numerous deaths. Following licensure of the Salk (inactivated) polio vaccine in 1955, the incidence of the disease fell dramatically. The disease was further reduced by the advent of the Sabin (oral) polio vaccine in 1961. The last cases of paralytic polio from natural poliovirus in the U.S. were in 1979, and the most recent case from outside the U.S. occurred in 1993.

Today, polio has been eliminated from the U.S. and the entire Western Hemisphere, although it remains a threat in some countries. The World Health Organization set up an initiative to eradicate polio from the planet by the end of 2005.
2 -- Available Vaccines

The polio vaccine is available as:

   --    Polio Vaccine Inactivated (IPV) or as

   --  IPV in combination with DTaP (Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular Pertussis) and hepatitis B vaccines

Product: IPOL® (Polio Vaccine Inactivated-IPV)
Manufacturer: Aventis Pasteur
Year licensed: 1990

Product Name: PediarixTM (IPV, DTaP, and hepatitis B vaccines)
Manufacturer: GlaxoSmithKline
Year licensed: 2002

[NOTE ] The oral polio vaccine (OPV) is no longer administered in the U.S.

For information on the thimerosal content in these vaccines, see: the Food and Drug Administration at www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3, or Johns Hopkins University’s Institute for Vaccine Safety at www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
3 – History of the Vaccine

Two types of polio vaccine (OPV, oral polio vaccine, and IPV, inactivated polio vaccine) were created in the 1950s. Both were highly effective in preventing polio. Initially OPV was preferred because it helped to increase community immunity to polio.

However, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV distributed in the United States actually caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP). In an effort to reduce this terrible side effect, a new polio vaccine schedule was recommended in 1997 (two doses of IPV followed by two doses of OPV). The new schedule decreased, but did not guarantee elimination, of vaccine-induced paralytic polio; so, effective in the year 2000, an all-IPV schedule was recommended, and OPV is no longer administered in the U.S. OPV continues to be used in countries where wild polio infections still occur.
4 – Who Should and Should Not Receive the Vaccine?

----- Who should receive the inactivated [that is, killed] vaccine?

   -Most children, and young adults who were not vaccinated with OPV or IPV as children, should receive the vaccine.
   -Laboratory workers who might handle polio virus.
   -Healthcare workers treating patients who could have polio.

----- Who should receive the oral polio vaccine?

    -OPV is used in mass vaccination campaigns in countries where wild polio infections still occur, and in polio eradication programs. It is not recommended for use in the U.S.

----- Who should *not* receive the vaccine?

    -People who had a life-threatening allergic reaction to the antibiotics neomycin, streptomycin, or polymyxin B.
    -People who had a severe allergic reaction to an earlier polio vaccine.
    -People who are moderately or severely ill should wait until recover before receiving any vaccine. People with minor illnesses, such as a cold, may be vaccinated.

This vaccine is recommended by:

--    Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
--    American Academy of Pediatrics
--    American Academy of Family Physicians

The complete childhood immunization schedule for the U.S. can be found at:

The summary of adolescent/adult immunization recommendations can be found at: www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/adult-schedule.pdf
5 ---- Dose Schedule

In the U.S., inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) is recommended.

Children should receive doses of IPV—or IPV combined with the DTaP and hepatitis B vaccines (PediarixTM1, GlaxoSmithKline)—at two months, four months, and 6 to 18 months. A booster dose of IPV (not a combination vaccine) is given at four to six years.

Young adults who have never been vaccinated against polio may receive the first dose of IPV (not a combination vaccine) at any time. The second dose should be given one to two months later, and third dose 6 to 12 months after the second.

Adults who have never been immunized and who are traveling to areas where polio outbreaks occur can receive three doses of IPV, each given four weeks apart.
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6 -- Effectiveness of the Vaccine

The IPV vaccine is 90% effective after two doses and 99% effective after three doses. Duration of immunity is unknown at this time, though it is probably quite long.
7 – Known Side Effects

Most people have no side effects at all. Some people have soreness where the shot is given. IPV is not known to cause any serious side effects. However, if a serious allergic reaction occurs, it happens within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot. Signs of a serious allergic reaction can include difficulty breathing, weakness, hoarseness or wheezing, a fast heart beat, hives, dizziness, extreme paleness, or swelling of the throat.

OPV causes vaccine associated paralytic polio in a very small percentage of those immunized. It is more likely to occur in those with weakened immune systems. IPV cannot cause paralysis, as the vaccine virus has been inactivated.
8 -- Related Issues

Batches of polio vaccine used between 1955 and 1963 were later found to be contaminated with a virus that infects monkeys, called simian virus 40 (SV40). Studies to date have shown that those who received OPV containing SV40 are not at additional risk of complications, though scientific research is continuing. OPV produced since 1963 does not contain SV40.  
9 -- Key References and Sources of Additional Information

    American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), Committee on Infectious Diseases. (1999). Prevention of poliomyelitis: Recommendations for use of only inactivated poliovirus vaccine for routine immunization. Pediatrics, 104(6), 1404-1406.
    AAP, Committee on Infectious Diseases. (2003). Polio virus infections. In LK Pickering (Ed.), Red Book: Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases (26th ed., pp. 505-509). Elk Grove Village, IL: Author.
    Butel JS. (2000). Simian virus 40, polio virus vaccines, and human cancer: Research progress versus media and public interests. Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 78(2), 195-198.
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). (2000). Polio vaccine: What you need to know [Vaccine Information Statement (VIS)]. Available on-line: www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/vis-IPV.pdf
    CDC, National Immunization Program (NIP). (2000). Polio. In Epidemiology and prevention of vaccine-preventable diseases (“The Pink Book”) (6th ed., pp.85-100). Atlanta: Author. Available on-line: www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/polio.pdf.
    CDC, NIP. (2000). Polio. In Vaccine-preventable childhood diseases [Online fact sheet]. Available on-line: www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/child-vpd.htm#Polio
    Combination Vaccines for Childhood Immunization: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP). (1999). Pediatrics, 103(5). Available online at:  www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr4805a1.htm.
    Fisher SG, Weber L, and Carbone M. (1999). Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine. Anticancer Research, 19(3B), 2173-2180.
    Food and Drug Administration. (2002). Product approval information – Licensing action. Available online: www.fda.gov/cber/products/pediarix.htm.
    Grabenstein JD. (1999). Moral considerations with certain viral vaccines. Christianity and Pharmacy, 2(2), 3-6.
    Humiston SG and Good C. (2000). Vaccinating your child: Questions and answers for the concerned parent. Atlanta: Peachtree Publishers.
    Offit PA and Bell LM. (1999). Vaccines: What every parent should know (Rev. ed.). New York: IDG Books.
    Rizzo P, Di Resta I, Powers A, Ratner H, and Carbone M. (1999). Unique strains of SV40 in commercial poliovaccines from 1955 readily identifiable with current testing for SV40 infection. Cancer Research, 59(24), 6103-6108.
10 -- CDC Information



    State Requirements


    Polio Vaccine and AIDS


    SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer

© Copyright 2010. National Network for Immunization Information (NNii). The information contained in the NNii Web site should not be used as a substitute for the medical care and advice of your health care provider. There may be variations in treatment that your health care provider may recommend based on individual facts and circumstances.
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In 1962 Jackie, I received the Salk vaccine, may have been given a booster of the stuff later.  They call it inactivated Jackie, but SV40 can live through the inactivation process.  Salk was none too specific about his inactivation process and some of the companies making his vaccine didn't inactivate the polio virus, let alone any SV40 they may have contained.  SV40 can live through a formaldehyde bath.  My father got the 1955 version of the vaccine which Carbone (mentioned in your references) has shown contained two strains of SV40.  One slower growing than the other.

SV40 is a problem the medical community doesn't want to admit to.  Too much money available from naming new syndromes which are but manifestations of what SV40 can do, and too much money in cancer to look for a way to stop it.  Like borellia, it likes the nervous system.  Unfortunately, there is no testing available for SV40.  But I can tell you, it's in many more of us that what is realized.  Through research I have found connections to brain cancers, mesotheliomas, autism, anencephalic births, SIDS, and alzheimers, just to name a few of the problems it can cause.

Then in 64 the AF, out of Lockbourne came to my little town after a flood and gave us all typhoid immunizations.  My parents made me get it, though it isn't needed in Ohio.  State and county health departments don't even stock it!  Grown on chicken eggs, it is often contaminated with mycoplasmas.

I will never again be given any vaccine.  If ebola comes to America, I won't be one of the people standing in line to get it.  
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Forgot to mention, the partial paralysis kids are suffering today is nothing new.  After my polio vaccines my arms sometimes wouldn't work when I got up in the morning.  An early name for polio was morning paralysis.  I also forgot to put kidney problems in the list of things SV40 is connected to, that's primarily where they live.
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I hear you, and I too had schoolmates with various manifestations of paralysis from polio -- one had a brace from ankle to knee on one leg; another had paralyzed abdominal muscles that resulted in looking like he had an (unearned) beer belly in his midteens.  But that was long ago, and I just don't think that's happening anymore.  The cases of polio encountered in the US today are almost entirely from unvaccinated immigrants; there is no longer a sufficient pool of susceptible (that is, unvaccinated) individuals in the US to sustain the infection rates of just a few decades ago.

As much as I have doubts about the CDC's understanding of Lyme, I have no reason to doubt their approach to polio.  From their website:  "Polio incidence has dropped more than 99 percent since the launch of global polio eradication efforts in 1988. According to global polio surveillance data from November 19, 2014, 291 polio cases have been reported to date in 2014 from Afghanistan, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Syria. In 2013, a total of 416 polio cases were reported from the following countries: Afghanistan, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, and Syrian Arab Republic.

"On March 27, 2014, Dr. Frieden and senior CDC immunization staff were present when India, along with the other 10 countries of the South East Asia Region, was certified polio-free.  The country was once considered the most complex challenge to achieving global polio eradication. Four of the six regions of the World Health Organization have been certified polio-free: the Americas (1994), Western Pacific (2000), Europe (2002) and South East Asia (2014). 80% of the world’s people now live in polio-free areas.

"While no polio cases have been detected in India for more than three years, poliovirus transmission is ongoing in the three endemic countries – Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Pakistan. GPEI’s Independent Monitoring Board considers Nigeria and Pakistan to be the greatest challenges for eradicating polio. ..."

So it's not over yet, but have made significant progress.
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Jackie, I don't wish to get started too much on vaccines.  My small town lets me see a lot.  Let's take for example a younger friend of mine.  He never had a vaccination because of his parents beliefs.  A big strapping young man who never had a health problem, until he got with a girl who had been given the standard US course of vaccines.  Then something went for his thyroid, like Lyme and some of its coinfections do in some, and soon he wasn't such a big strapping fellow anymore.  There are things that the vaccinated unknowingly carry that can infect the unvaccinated.  I don't know what "it" is, but I know some candidates.  I see what is left of my dad everyday.  What's left isn't much.  Whatever he has is contagious, even the dogs that he's had in his house over the years succumb to cancer.  Mom, who has been at his side for 58 years now has it also. (note, mom never got the polio vaccine).  I'd leave the techno world and go live amongst the Amish, but wouldn't want to contaminate them.  My great great grandmother lived to be 101 without vaccines, so I don't want anything to do with any vaccine.  I don't care if they say I'll die a horrible death without it, so be it.  I'll put my trust in he who makes the "wisdom" of man, foolishness.
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Bob, not trying to change your mind or your beliefs, but trying to give other readers here a contrary view.  You state your believes, I state mine, even steven.

As you know, Lyme affects the endocrine system and thus emotional state, all for strictly biochemical reasons.  I remember being fragile and confused and scared when I had Lyme, and when I come to post here I remember that all over again.  

My intentions are not to tell everyone what to believe and do, but to give a full picture of where things are in the medical community, so that someone who arrives here sick and confused and getting little or no help or understanding from the docs will hear a different view and begin to 'work the problem' and not simply despair.

Your view is your view, and you are entitled to it -- I have no quarrel with that.  When I post to give a different take from your opinions, it is not to change your mind, but to show another path to those who arrive here fragile and confused and thinking there is no hope.  I was once one of those, and I now keep showing up here now years after I was treated and again well and healthy to say that all is not doom.

Again:  I'm not fighting with you; I'm giving a different point of view for others to consider.  
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No offense or fighting intent taken.  I imagine this forum is pretty overwhelming for a person in the state that we have both been in.  You know, I had never considered something you mentioned above.  The beer belly kids.  Had some in my school too, kids who could hardly do a single setup.  I hadn't considered partial paralysis of those muscles.  I've always been overly slim, aka overly skinny, and thought a big belly repulsive, looks like a bag of worms and sometimes might be.

In due time, we will have to address SV40.  I think the hope is that we will all quietly die off without knowing what is behind our demise.  Russia is beginning to address their problem, we are still in denial.  That's mostly due to people that big pharma hires to cast doubt on the work of good researchers like Carbone, and conflicts of interest by members of the committee that decided it doesn't cause cancer.  SV40's effect doesn't stop with the first generation that received it, and it varies depending upon serotype.  My dad is AB, less that 1% here in the US.  I'm a B, less than 3%.  I see its effects in the next generation down, among my relatives, like my 2nd generation down cousin who is now at the James with brain cancer, and even in the next generation down, like my grandaughter with a brain tumor.  But we can't even see what it's done to that first generation because follow up wasn't long enough.  The only way one can really understand what it does, is to feel all the things go in reverse, as I have been, or find an infected monkey that can talk about how it feels.   Hey, that might be me!

I know this is a Lyme forum, and I can get offtrack, mainly because I really don't have a diagnosis.  That leaves me wondering about a lot of different things.  For example, the dog tick here in Ohio supposedly doesn't carry Lyme, but can carry Rocky Mountain Spotted fever and other things.  Maybe one of the times I supposedly had measles, it wasn't measles.  Note that if vaccines worked, I shouldn't have gotten measles at all, I was vaccinated.  Different strain maybe?  Deutsche masern.
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What part of Ohio?
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Near Athens.  You were in the area during the flood of 64 IIRC.  RMSF infected dog ticks have been found a bit further SW, between Athens and Cinci. and soldiers at a base in Ky, Ft Campbell maybe, have contracted it too.

Truthfully, I think I have a little bit of everything a tick can carry with the added problem of SV40.  But lots of it is slowly going away.  
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Hmm, that's interesting.  My family spent decades in SW Ohio.  Used to try to be hip by hanging in Yellow Springs; been to Athens on weekend jaunts.  It was a more interesting than Oxford, mainly because it wasn't Oxford.

We used to wander around in the woods just for something to do, but no obvious infections .... tho obviousness is clearly not a requirement to be infected.  SW Ohio has to be tick heaven, but what place isn't anymore...
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Serendipity strikes again!  Above I mentioned that I was taking an herb that contains natural quinolones.  I noticed that when I combined it with another herb it seemed more effective.  I just found some research showing that quinolones are more effective combined with a chemical that herb number two contains.  I like it when my gut feelings are verified by research!  Herb number two has been in my cabinet for over a year and I just got around to combining the two, primarily for the taste of number two, but quickly noticed the effect.

I apologize for being cryptic and not using the names of the herbs, but if I let anyone know what's working for me, demand would skyrocket and so would the prices.  Couple other reasons I don't share is that what I have might not be what you have, and some of the herbs are dangerous.  This quasi-physician wishes to do no harm, except to the microvermin that are in me.  I do however share my discoveries with my LLMD.

A few miles away Jackie is a reclaimed strip mine.  A field in the middle of woods.  Couple years ago I had reason to walk some in that field, which is frequented by wild turkeys and deer.  In no more than half a mile my clothes gathered at least twenty dog ticks, perhaps more.  None of them got to stick around long enough to bite, this country boy feels them creepy crawling now.  Union St in Athens had a big fire recently.
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