MUST READ.. short term Time frame treatment for Lyme

[jo73161]

I have noted other people struggling with Pathogenic mycoplasma , and Auto Immune responses to these Pathogen's
you CANT treat Lyme disease once it has mutated the immune system.
Make your self literate, aware, and go on instincts
we pushed and got kicked out of many clinics only to win and find answers ,treatments, and sometimes mild cures.

http://www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_diseases_associated_with_infectious_pathogens

[nutrinut_bob]

SV40 is sexually, and otherwise transmissible, like any other virus.  Kids can be born with it, I have a grandaughter that had to have a tumor removed from her brain.  Whether or not it was SV40 caused I can't say.  And, as you may have noted on the SV40 foundation page, seems there was still some vaccines that may have been contaminated as late as 1998.  The major makers have changed the way they manufacture the vaccines here in the US, don't know exactly when at the moment.  Can't always recall what I've read or where I read it anymore.  I'm on a different computer and lost many of my old bookmarks.

[JackieCalifornia]

How would that account for youngsters today who get Lyme and never had the problematic vaccines?  

[nutrinut_bob]

My guess is that without SV40 or something else that hampers p53, we'd be more like the dog tick who's immune system quickly kills borrelia.

[JackieCalifornia]

Bob, thanks for the data ... that's exactly my time frame, my family being posted in Ohio a couple of times back then, and also in Europe ... so shots galore, as well as the oral ('sugar cube') vaccine when it first came out.  It was considered a great advance in medicine and science.

In my grade school (where there were a lot of other military families too), every so often the teacher would start the day by saying "[Student name]'s family is transferring overseas soon, so he is getting his shots.  Please be careful not to bump into him since his arms are very sore this week."  Oh yeah.

I guess it beat having polio etc.  I had classmates who had had polio and carry the effects forever, and adult family friends who had it also, living afterward in heavy braces to get around.  Terrible stuff.  

[nutrinut_bob]

Sorta interesting to note Jackie that the states with high levels of SV40 in the vaccines are also the states where Lyme is most prevalent.  Fascinating.

[nutrinut_bob]

My LLMD was the one who pointed me to SV40.  She doesn't help much with herbals or supplements.  I'm an experienced megadoser when it comes to vitamins and other supplements. That got me through a lot back in the early 90s, but I didn't understand that I was just feeding the parasites.  I got stronger, but so did they.  I still had enough mind that I didn't do too bad in college.

What helps me with herbals is Dr. Duke's site, a couple of courses offered by OU, Medicinal plants of Ohio, and the fact that I live in the middle of 6000+ acres of woods where the herbs are free, just add alcohol.  My monthly bill for vodka to make my extracts is getting high though.

[nutrinut_bob]

Jackie, the contaminated vaccines were given from 55-63.  There have been other lots since then.  I imagine the military used the same suppliers,  especially the Salk which was a shot, not oral.  I had the Salk 62, and sometime later some school nurse decided I should have the oral too.

According to the National Institutes of Health, high levels of SV40 were identified in polio vaccines in Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Utah, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington DC, Maryland, Delaware, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont and New Hampshire. Low levels of SV40 were found in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Missouri, Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia. Polio vaccines in the other states showed no SV40 present.

http://www.sv40foundation.org/index.html

Cave76, the last thing we need is for the FDA to meddle in the supplement or herbal industries.  They are doing us bad enough by allowing this GMO stuff, and things like azidocarbonamide in our bread.  When I first read about GMO back in the 90s, I thought it a good idea.  Increased yields, why we could feed the world!  I wasn't aware then of the effects of glyphoshate.

Oh, something I should have noted in my posts above.  Borrelia doesn't effect p53 in order to get around apoptosis as SV40 does, it uses another bio_switch.  But if you already have SV40, anything that can internally infect a cell can get in and make itself comfy without worrying about its new home suddenly being washed away by the immune system.

[cave76]

@bob said:

"I have avoided modern medicine like the plague that it is,"

I can't say that I have-----but I look forward to the day that supplements and herbs are submitted to the same rigorous testing studies that drugs are. That would be a wonderful thing, I think.

So your llmd helps you with herbs and supplements?

[JackieCalifornia]

bob, I spent some formative years in Ohio .... what era were the bad vaccines being doled out?  mine would have been through the military hospital system ... same or different suppliers as civilians, I wonder ...?

[nutrinut_bob]

I have been on my own from the beginning.  But I have a bit more education and learning ability than Joe Average.  I was a nutrition w/biological science major in the 90s.  I still can't confirm through testing just what I have.  One LLMD that I consult thinks chronic Lyme.  Whatever it is has been with me since I was less than 5, though the major Lyme symptoms started when I was in my teens.  I am now 55 and aspiring to live as long as my herbalist great great grandmother, who made it to 101.  Not such a big deal today it seems, but she passed away in the early 1960s and still had enough energy to pick her own coal out of the hillside when she was 100.  The main reason I wish to live so long is to see what God does to those who did this to my people.  I may not have to live that long to see it!

I cannot firmly say I had SV40, though I can say that I certainly had something that infected my lymphatic cells, and is still in my nervous system.  I received the old Salk vaccine, which was contaminated.  The chemical that turns the apoptosis switch on is aucubin.  Once the apoptosis started, I felt like I was melting under my skin, and everything fell down into my legs.  There are a myriad of things that it could be have been, but the vaccines in Ohio were contaminated,  many people my age are dying of cancers, SV40 turns the switch off, and aucubin turns it on.  Therefore...it is at the very least a strong maybe.

I have avoided modern medicine like the plague that it is, and will continue to do so.  Pill pushers for the drug companies and symptom treaters who don't have enough sense to look for the root cause of any maladies.  Fat cats, living the good life.  Even a physician for a small prison here in Ohio starts out at $170,000 a year.

[cave76]

That's a good quote from T. Jefferson, but it wasn't written with the Internet Sales Force in mind. :)

Bob---- you said:
"More specifically, it activated p53, which that nasty cancer causing monkey virus from the polio vaccine, SV40, turns off."

Wow! How did your doctor(s) determine that? Are you seeing an immunologist?

From that link you sent (thank you):

"Dr. Duke's
Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases
Disclaimer

WARNING: Do not consult these databases unless you agree not to hold the compilers or host liable for any errors or omissions. Data were gathered rather randomly from the literature on economic plants, none of which will ever be completely known phytochemically. These data were compiled by human beings, mostly Jim Duke and Stephen Beckstrom-Sternberg, from published, or rarely, personally communicated sources by human beings."

Dr. Duke went on to say:

"The compilers do not recommend self diagnosis or self medication; the compilers do urge serious studies of herbal alternatives, believing that in many cases, the herbal alternative may contain several synergistic compounds that will, in fact, do what empirical trials have suggested, as recorded in the folklore"

Those excerpts weren't displayed prominently on the page that came up. I think they should have been, but that's just me.

Evidently you did self diagnose and self medicate and it helped you---- good for you! I'm not nearly as brave.

[nutrinut_bob]

It's a shame she was forced out of business.  An herbal needn't be exotic to be effective, I've found.  Many of the herbals are things we would consider weeds, and some are inexpensive spices found on the grocery store shelf.  There is lots of info on phytochemicals available here:

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/  

One of the most significant things that I have gone through, thanks to herbals, is a massive die off that filled the lymphatic system of my legs.  Took a long time to figure out what had happened, but the inexpensive herb I was taking works to turn on a bio-switch that many pathogens turn off once in you.  More specifically, it activated p53, which that nasty cancer causing monkey virus from the polio vaccine, SV40, turns off.  This protein tells an internally infected cell to self destruct.  There are ways around a hampered immune system.    It isn't easy researching, but it is fun killing microvermin!  Death to them all!

One of our founding fathers seems to have foreseen the days, and ways, of the FDA:

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."

-Thomas Jefferson

[cave76]

"Email from -Raintree Nutrition (herbs) -& about the FDA

We are sadden [sic] to inform you that Raintree Nutrition is going out of business. As many of you are aware, we have been prohibited by the FDA of importing our bulk plant materials in from the Amazon to manufacture our products over the last year. Between the additional high costs in meeting new GMP standards, the falling US dollar affecting our import prices, and battling the FDA over our website while still providing our customers with important factual information about our products, we simply cannot go on any longer. "
(Nov 2012)

http://*************.net/forum4/showthread.php?52507-Email-from-Raintree-Nutrition--herbs--about-the-FDA

"Ms. Taylor decided that the wealth of factual and truthful information about these important plants and formulas was more important than selling products and this factual information needed to stay widely available to continue to help people. Raintree Nutrition, Inc. officially closed and ceased selling products on December 21, 2012. Ms. Taylor then freely shared all of her proprietary formulas by posting them on the product pages below so that anyone and everyone can make them and use them."

http://www.rain-tree.com/rtmprod.htm#.UXv3J6LCZ8E

Ms. Leslie Taylor's Anti-microbial Guide  (as promised above)

http://www.rain-tree.com/reports/Antimicrobial-Guide.pdf