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Concerned about our military
I don't know about you guys but I'm getting increasingly alarmed and concerned over the violence many of our military members are showing. Some of them are war veterans, but not all. I do understand that they can suffer from PTSD, depression and anxiety after returning home from war. It seems we are seeing an increase in suicides and violence towards others.
The most concerning to me is the violence towards their family members. It seems every day I'm picking up the newspaper and reading about another soldier who has killed his girlfriend, wife and/or kids.
Just this week I read at least three stories about a military member killing their young children. Today I read about a Petty Officer in the Navy with a security clearance working in our missile defense, no less, who recently killed his one month old son. Why? He said the child vomited on him so he threw him into his bassinet. Then he said the child head butted him while he was holding him and that made him mad. He beat him on the back of his head while burping him no less, until the child went limp. Then he called 911 and lied and said the child fell off the couch. It was too late. The child died. I'm almost glad. At least he's in the arms of Jesus now and not at the hands of this man anymore.
Even the dumbest person surely realizes that babies spit up, and the head butting? Um, babies at that age have no neck control and their heads are very wobbly. Don't most people know this? I'm just so angry at this I feel sick inside.
Something has got to be done to address this problem. It seems to me that it's getting worse. We live near a few military bases so maybe I'm getting more news than a lot of folks but I'm seeing this kind of thing in the news almost every day. It's very alarming to me.
What do you all think? And what do you think can be done to stop this trend and protect the innocent people? Is there anything the military can do that they're not already doing? I'm just wondering what people's thoughts are on this. Should they require all military members who have been in combat to take some sort of classes or talk to a therapist to help them deal with stuff? I do think the military is trying but I don't think they're doing enough. What else do you all think the military can do to help these soldiers and their families?
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
By the way, I'm in no way bashing the military. I'm the spouse of a retired military member who was in for 22 years. I'm also the daughter of a retired AF officer. I love the military and they've been good to us. I'm just very, very concerned about the seemingly increased violence among many of our military members.
What do you all think?
The most concerning to me is the violence towards their family members. It seems every day I'm picking up the newspaper and reading about another soldier who has killed his girlfriend, wife and/or kids.
Just this week I read at least three stories about a military member killing their young children. Today I read about a Petty Officer in the Navy with a security clearance working in our missile defense, no less, who recently killed his one month old son. Why? He said the child vomited on him so he threw him into his bassinet. Then he said the child head butted him while he was holding him and that made him mad. He beat him on the back of his head while burping him no less, until the child went limp. Then he called 911 and lied and said the child fell off the couch. It was too late. The child died. I'm almost glad. At least he's in the arms of Jesus now and not at the hands of this man anymore.
Even the dumbest person surely realizes that babies spit up, and the head butting? Um, babies at that age have no neck control and their heads are very wobbly. Don't most people know this? I'm just so angry at this I feel sick inside.
Something has got to be done to address this problem. It seems to me that it's getting worse. We live near a few military bases so maybe I'm getting more news than a lot of folks but I'm seeing this kind of thing in the news almost every day. It's very alarming to me.
What do you all think? And what do you think can be done to stop this trend and protect the innocent people? Is there anything the military can do that they're not already doing? I'm just wondering what people's thoughts are on this. Should they require all military members who have been in combat to take some sort of classes or talk to a therapist to help them deal with stuff? I do think the military is trying but I don't think they're doing enough. What else do you all think the military can do to help these soldiers and their families?
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
By the way, I'm in no way bashing the military. I'm the spouse of a retired military member who was in for 22 years. I'm also the daughter of a retired AF officer. I love the military and they've been good to us. I'm just very, very concerned about the seemingly increased violence among many of our military members.
What do you all think?
I saw on cnn a new report that our military suicide rate is at an all time high one mom was explaining her son sent her a note begging for medications ( like valium or xanax) stating he was working long shifts and just couldnt handle it and if he didnt get mdicine something bad was gonna happen that night he took a gun to his own head.
Margy, I'm sorry if we didn't seem to support you in something. I honestly didn't see anything or I'm sure I would have. I just wrote something on your journal about leaving. I hope you'll reconsider and stay.
PrettyKitty, are you sure that story was real? It almost sounds like one of those CSI type shows. Now you've definitely got me curious. Maybe they really are hiding aliens somewhere, eh? Hmm. What in the world could have made her lose it like that?
Do you ever wonder what the president knows that we don't?
PrettyKitty, are you sure that story was real? It almost sounds like one of those CSI type shows. Now you've definitely got me curious. Maybe they really are hiding aliens somewhere, eh? Hmm. What in the world could have made her lose it like that?
Do you ever wonder what the president knows that we don't?
Margy,
Of course you didn't hijack the thread. Don't be silly. Good luck. When you think it's time to come back, we'll be here, and most will be glad to see you again ;)
Of course you didn't hijack the thread. Don't be silly. Good luck. When you think it's time to come back, we'll be here, and most will be glad to see you again ;)
no it was I who deviated ....sorry I hijacked the thread
margypops, What happened?
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When I was in high school the military was in the cafeteria almost every week looking for recruits. There were a few times my parents joked with me why not join, since I seemed to be interested in soldiers and write about soldiers in my story series... Well, I thought about it and decided it just wasn't meant for me. I wondered what if there ends up a war... Sure enough 9/11 came and all that followed. I'm glad I didn't join the army. Nothing against the army, navy, etc. Just glad I didn't pick that life for myself.
Government seems to take the attitude that they're going to die anyway, why should we care...or they subject soldiers to weird chemicals and then deny it happened when soldiers come back sick... Gulf war syndrome, anyone?
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When I was in high school the military was in the cafeteria almost every week looking for recruits. There were a few times my parents joked with me why not join, since I seemed to be interested in soldiers and write about soldiers in my story series... Well, I thought about it and decided it just wasn't meant for me. I wondered what if there ends up a war... Sure enough 9/11 came and all that followed. I'm glad I didn't join the army. Nothing against the army, navy, etc. Just glad I didn't pick that life for myself.
Government seems to take the attitude that they're going to die anyway, why should we care...or they subject soldiers to weird chemicals and then deny it happened when soldiers come back sick... Gulf war syndrome, anyone?
My husband watched a story on TV about a guy who worked for the army. As you all know, the army has some top secret, classified stuff and we have no idea what they are and will never know unless they release the information to the public. This guy was married to a beautiful lady who decided to move closer to where her husband worked just to be able to stay with him. Well, he started telling her stories about his job. Stories he should not have told her; because his job was above top secret. One day, all of a sudden, the lady starts having panic attacks and going unconscious for a couple minutes while doing any regular, simple activity such as dish washing. She'd stop what she was doing, turn pale, and enter a weird state in which she would not respond or blink, motionless.
She had to be taken to the hospital. There, the doctor asked the guy if his wife had been suffering trauma or stress, to which he replied No. He said (basically what he noticed in her) that despite him telling her stories about his job she never seemed to be affected by it. She was a strong woman. To make this story short, the lady is still hospitalized. She is crazy, completely. Her mind can't process information and after extensive studies on her, the doctors came to the conclusion that she was suffering some sort of brain trauma caused by her husband's detailed description of his job. I don't remember what the exact diagnosis was, but it wasn't a good one, all because he told her disturbing things about his job, and as strong as she may have appeared to him, it still affected her greatly.
I never saw this story on TV. I could not believe it when my husband told me. I have no idea and cannot imagine what this guy was doing at his job that affected his wife so badly. Besides training killers, do you guys think they also experiment on humans creating all sorts of abominations in their bodies? Some of those men are not fit to go back to living among us. Some can't have a normal life because nothing about the military is normal. My respect for al of them.
Did I deviate?
She had to be taken to the hospital. There, the doctor asked the guy if his wife had been suffering trauma or stress, to which he replied No. He said (basically what he noticed in her) that despite him telling her stories about his job she never seemed to be affected by it. She was a strong woman. To make this story short, the lady is still hospitalized. She is crazy, completely. Her mind can't process information and after extensive studies on her, the doctors came to the conclusion that she was suffering some sort of brain trauma caused by her husband's detailed description of his job. I don't remember what the exact diagnosis was, but it wasn't a good one, all because he told her disturbing things about his job, and as strong as she may have appeared to him, it still affected her greatly.
I never saw this story on TV. I could not believe it when my husband told me. I have no idea and cannot imagine what this guy was doing at his job that affected his wife so badly. Besides training killers, do you guys think they also experiment on humans creating all sorts of abominations in their bodies? Some of those men are not fit to go back to living among us. Some can't have a normal life because nothing about the military is normal. My respect for al of them.
Did I deviate?
If you notice I am missing from responding to any forum or any post please note it is of my own volition and I have not been removed by Med Help or anyone else I could have done with some feedback guys you have seen the side bars.., guess it wasnt important enough,I understand I will be around for a short while if anyone wants to PM me I will give you my e-mail It was great knowing you all , good folks . I enjoyed it .I will remember you.. Margaret
Miscommunication we are all on the same page , and yes Uncle Sam did offer my son in law a big bonus to stay in.. and yes he took it.
I just struggle with this, I guess. I know improvements need to be made. I do feel some loyalty to them but as my dad said, the military isn't the same as when he first joined. They have taken away a lot of our benefits. He was in for almost 30 years and saw a lot of changes. He said it was time for him to get out. He didn't like a lot of the changes he saw. Still, he has his retirement pay (my husband too) and we get the health care for life. It's not a bad deal. I just wish they hadn't taken away so many of our benefits.
I also would like to see those in authority do more to help our vets. Definitely there needs to be improvements. That's for sure.
I also would like to see those in authority do more to help our vets. Definitely there needs to be improvements. That's for sure.
I didnt say they werent the best of the best.. Some are I have alot of friends who are in the Marines and they have it rougher than any other branch in my opinion. All I was saying is when you first join they make promises to you that can take yrs to accomplish,when people sign up they realize this say for instance college you dont get that up front you have to serve first then you might get it. Havent you noticed there are lots who do there tours and when its time to sign out they do OR Uncle Sam offers them a big bonus to stay in for another 4 or 8 take your pick.. I will always stick to my guns and I will not encourage my family to sign up. I have my reasons from experience...
alienshadow, as much as I've been concerned about what I've seen, I firmly believe our military members are the best of the best. Yes, some have fallen through the cracks but I believe most are honorable and admirable men and women. I came from a military family. My father retired as a Col. after nearly 30 years in the AF. My brother joined the Navy and I married AF. I've been around military members my whole life. I've lived on bases my whole life. One thing I've noticed is the closeness that we all have. The military has always been good to us. I would never discourage someone from joining. You get free training, schooling, medical, dental, the whole nine yards.
Yes, I think we need to make some changes and figure out how to help the ones who really need help but I will never bash the military. They have been there for us time and time again. Yes, they're human and I think they may need to rethink some things on how to address this. War is ugly but necessary sometimes. These men and women have paved a way for all of us to have the freedom we hold dear. I am proud to be the daughter of an AF Col. and the wife of a retired MSGT in the AF and I always will be.
Yes, I think we need to make some changes and figure out how to help the ones who really need help but I will never bash the military. They have been there for us time and time again. Yes, they're human and I think they may need to rethink some things on how to address this. War is ugly but necessary sometimes. These men and women have paved a way for all of us to have the freedom we hold dear. I am proud to be the daughter of an AF Col. and the wife of a retired MSGT in the AF and I always will be.
You did not I was just saying how I feel... We are on the same page :)
Yup hard .. I try to understand and I dont mean to trivialise the way they feel, I know it is real, I lived my childhood with it.
Humm well let me tell you I have been around it and I know the trigger effects. There is nothing more to me than being around a vietnam vet now some of those guys have had it rough. Just think of all the homeless ones out there everytime I see one asking for some change I oblige. That could be me one day and I hope some man or woman will just let me drink the pain away.. FU$K this government and the ship they run in our minds I will never encourage my kids to join. I also talked my sister out of it I am so glad she listened to me..
Totally agree with you all and alien I really know where you are coming from as this is what happens they are trained the way you describe and it is very hard for them to lead a normal life , they are used to Adrenal rush and actually miss it, I have had posts from guys that have actaully said they need to go back they miss it and they cannot get used to the normality of of life with out the action.My father and Brother wre the same and they spent their lives yelling and drinking after their service , it is hard you are right April but it seems to be the way it is.... .
that is beyind sinful,,,poor young man I hope he gets some help I know from reading military issue forum here all they do is give them pills they need therapy,,,group support
I agree. Sad story and I wish more could be done.
I hate war.
my son in law spnet 15 months in Iraq was in 4 roadside expolisions has TBI and PTSD. the VA answere is to give him bunches of pills.. my daughter has told of times of finding him at night hiding in the clostet crying.. terrible nightmares...this boy is 23 years old is on 100% disabailty and notr getting much help,...its more then sacrey and it is down right sinfull!!!!!!!!!
its sad and unfair and immoral they train them so very well for war,,and nothing at all in the way of a winding down time or a week of therapy before returning home they need a mom to run the army LOL....
Sad to say this but our military dosent want the burden of these problems. There goal is to train killers and when there tour is up release them back into the population. Most do okay but there are many who cant cope they are used to being told what to do when to do it and thats that. Most men have nightmares about what they have seen and done to others and it triggers something awful inside. I think the government should keep a close eye on these men and women once they have done there duty but as one said the other night when uncle sam sayd good bye thats what he means!!
I think something needs to be done in the form of almost a debriefing when militarys tour is over...they dont come immediatley home they go to a reverse boot campm a place to be accessed and reintroduced to normal society,....
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