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OBAMA WON !!!
Despite all these accusations and dirty smear campaign against him HE WON....I am thrilled.
Here's a slightly different perspective on Reagan and mental health - just another talking point perhaps but interesting nonetheless.
".....Perhaps what is most interesting about the change in policies of involuntary commitment is the coalition that helped bring it about: a combination of "law and order" conservatives, economic conservatives, and liberal groups that sought reform in the provision of mental health services. But the policy shift had hardly anything at all to do with the mentally ill or the practitioners who treated them. It was designed to lower taxes and shift responsibility away from the federal government. Ironically then , the need for reform perceived by those involved and concerned with the mentally ill (practitioners and families) was co-opted by the interests of capital.
Reagan's social policy is best seen as an abdication. Reagan's economic policy was to adjust government regulation so that it favored business once again, and social policy was merely an outgrowth of this larger issue. While family groups and
professional groups and patient groups did clamor for respect, the real struggle was between the state and the business community. Reagan worked to lessen the tax load for the rich, and the social policies were meant to match this goal. Business needed a more favorable corporate climate, and Reagan worked to that end. The coalitions that were necessary for election were either gratified (the elderly) or abandoned (the poor). As for the mentally ill, certain changes that their families and practitioners wanted were gained, and the administration pointed this out. Even though these changes came about primarily through state governments and the courts, the Administration would take credit. All in all, business interests were served. Families and doctors were appease d. Patients were forgotten."
Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill:
Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy
Alexandar R Thomas
Department of Sociology and Anthropology
Northeastern University
See: http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html
".....Perhaps what is most interesting about the change in policies of involuntary commitment is the coalition that helped bring it about: a combination of "law and order" conservatives, economic conservatives, and liberal groups that sought reform in the provision of mental health services. But the policy shift had hardly anything at all to do with the mentally ill or the practitioners who treated them. It was designed to lower taxes and shift responsibility away from the federal government. Ironically then , the need for reform perceived by those involved and concerned with the mentally ill (practitioners and families) was co-opted by the interests of capital.
Reagan's social policy is best seen as an abdication. Reagan's economic policy was to adjust government regulation so that it favored business once again, and social policy was merely an outgrowth of this larger issue. While family groups and
professional groups and patient groups did clamor for respect, the real struggle was between the state and the business community. Reagan worked to lessen the tax load for the rich, and the social policies were meant to match this goal. Business needed a more favorable corporate climate, and Reagan worked to that end. The coalitions that were necessary for election were either gratified (the elderly) or abandoned (the poor). As for the mentally ill, certain changes that their families and practitioners wanted were gained, and the administration pointed this out. Even though these changes came about primarily through state governments and the courts, the Administration would take credit. All in all, business interests were served. Families and doctors were appease d. Patients were forgotten."
Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill:
Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy
Alexandar R Thomas
Department of Sociology and Anthropology
Northeastern University
See: http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html
what a nightmare...
God be with us ! !
God be with us ! !
"What a historic day in America"
I'd be curious to hear what you think made this election so historic ?
ML
I'd be curious to hear what you think made this election so historic ?
ML
"And Republicans disowned a great man (McCain) who has been a Republican longer than many Republicans today have been alive." Double groan.
Yeah he was disowned by the GOP so much he was elected to run for the presidency by the delegates and with the full support of the party.
ML
Yeah he was disowned by the GOP so much he was elected to run for the presidency by the delegates and with the full support of the party.
ML
"Sure, Regan is great, we will just forget about him dumping hoardes of mental patients onto the cold streets. Shhh, no one will remember that!"
Well, you seem to have all of the talking points down from the leftist sources. Unfortunately, there is a downside to believing everything someone in your club tells you. This is one such case.
You really do need to study this issue of Reagan and mental health as you are very misinformed. First of,f let's talk about the mental health systems in America, not just CA since what Gov Reagan did was done in ALL of the states in response to FEDERAL legislation. The feds decided to get out of the mental health business. They instead gave money to the states to administer programs. Back in those days a family member could get you committed to an institution because you had DEPRESSION. That's right. Depression. Our mental institutions across America were filled with those who could do well on the outside by using the new classes meds to treat mental health issues. More efficacious and better safety profiles of new anti-d meds,and anti-psychotic meds that were now becoming widely available made this possible. This allowed not only CA, but the rest of the states to purge their institutions of those who with the proper meds could lead a full productive life without being locked up. You call this inhumane, probably. I call it lifesaving. Those instituions kicked no one out. If the patient did not feel like they could cope outside they were allowed to remain. Nothing changed in this regard. By eliminating all of the costs associated with housing so many who did not need to be locked up it freed up even more money to help those who really needed to be under supervision. New mental health centers were built in CA and laws changed so your family alone couldn't put you away. You cannot BEGIN to comprehend the looting that went on by family members who had someone locked up. For depression.
You really need to research before making assertions like you have been throughout this thread. This is pure rookie stuff---parrotting what you hear from biased sources does nothing to support any argument---it weakens it. I have to tell you that you have made many incorrect assertions, played loosely with the truth, and your personal accusations read like they came from Huffington's Warehouse of Misinformation.
Try to use non-biased sources. Not only will the truth free you, but you'll be a much better debater.
ML
Well, you seem to have all of the talking points down from the leftist sources. Unfortunately, there is a downside to believing everything someone in your club tells you. This is one such case.
You really do need to study this issue of Reagan and mental health as you are very misinformed. First of,f let's talk about the mental health systems in America, not just CA since what Gov Reagan did was done in ALL of the states in response to FEDERAL legislation. The feds decided to get out of the mental health business. They instead gave money to the states to administer programs. Back in those days a family member could get you committed to an institution because you had DEPRESSION. That's right. Depression. Our mental institutions across America were filled with those who could do well on the outside by using the new classes meds to treat mental health issues. More efficacious and better safety profiles of new anti-d meds,and anti-psychotic meds that were now becoming widely available made this possible. This allowed not only CA, but the rest of the states to purge their institutions of those who with the proper meds could lead a full productive life without being locked up. You call this inhumane, probably. I call it lifesaving. Those instituions kicked no one out. If the patient did not feel like they could cope outside they were allowed to remain. Nothing changed in this regard. By eliminating all of the costs associated with housing so many who did not need to be locked up it freed up even more money to help those who really needed to be under supervision. New mental health centers were built in CA and laws changed so your family alone couldn't put you away. You cannot BEGIN to comprehend the looting that went on by family members who had someone locked up. For depression.
You really need to research before making assertions like you have been throughout this thread. This is pure rookie stuff---parrotting what you hear from biased sources does nothing to support any argument---it weakens it. I have to tell you that you have made many incorrect assertions, played loosely with the truth, and your personal accusations read like they came from Huffington's Warehouse of Misinformation.
Try to use non-biased sources. Not only will the truth free you, but you'll be a much better debater.
ML
"All I'm saying is that you can't judge a person by who they are taught by, who they've worked with on charitable organizations, who has lived in their neighborhood, or who preaches in their church.
Groan....you can't be serious. So, if someone belonged to the KKK for over 20 years we shouldn't hold that against them ?
When you go to church it is to learn the philosophy of Christianity as explained by your pastor. If you disagree with the pastor's sermons and religious philosophy you leave. It's that simple. You stay for 20 years that is definite proof that you are not offended by the racial rantings and anti-U.S. sentiment that came down from the pulpit for years.
If Obama had a friend in Wright, a pastor in Wright, a spiritual advisor on his campaign in Wright (until Obama saw potential problems with it) , and all over a non- interrupted period for over twenty years and did not know how the man viewed the world then that would make Obama the biggest idiot on the planet, wouldn't it ?
ML
Groan....you can't be serious. So, if someone belonged to the KKK for over 20 years we shouldn't hold that against them ?
When you go to church it is to learn the philosophy of Christianity as explained by your pastor. If you disagree with the pastor's sermons and religious philosophy you leave. It's that simple. You stay for 20 years that is definite proof that you are not offended by the racial rantings and anti-U.S. sentiment that came down from the pulpit for years.
If Obama had a friend in Wright, a pastor in Wright, a spiritual advisor on his campaign in Wright (until Obama saw potential problems with it) , and all over a non- interrupted period for over twenty years and did not know how the man viewed the world then that would make Obama the biggest idiot on the planet, wouldn't it ?
ML
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