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Why?
I want to know why it is that when I explain my beliefs about America, politicians, etc. I get called "stupid," "ridiculous," an "extremist" or a "hypocrite" and the list goes on. Just because I tend to have conservative views and I choose to speak out against corruption in our government and do not appreciate the government being involved in my life does not give anyone the right to attack me here on this forum or to send me PMs attacking me either. Every single time I have offered my opinion, I have NEVER called anyone with differing views by names or put them down for their beliefs! I simply state mine but unfortunately I have NOT received the same respect! Perhaps when we are explaining our views we could try to remember that - and be respectful!
Responding to part of the post before last helpinutah... I guess my main concern /gut feeling began when I heard of 20 years listening to the words of wright and befriending Ayers, it sent off a red light in my head, I also pondered on a woman wanting to be married by a man like Wright in his Church, or have your children christened by a man like that, then after OBama was President , it was the way he spoke about America at the Summit saying that we were arrogant, derisory, apologising for the American people.I have never heard any head of a country do that never mind America , the careful way he treats our enemies, the studied quietness in response to N Korea and Iran, even Europe protests, .I am uncertain yet what his agenda is but again my gut tells me there is one, why the Rush to do everything he has done in 6 months ..and Government taking over ..so many things that are worrisome and dont add up ..Its not about disrespect enough people blagarded George Bush he got it from every quarter who was respecting him or is it differant now ? why,I do respect the American People and the constitution ...
That's a whole other discussion (the war in Iraq). I think people have forgotten when we first went into Iraq we had to come in from the bottom rather from Turkey like we wanted as well. Does anyone remember watching CNN and hearing them talking about caravans going into Iran and Syria? I remember it and I remember the journalists stating that "our government thought that those weapons of mass destruction were going into Syria and Iran." So, in my humble opinion, I believe that those weapons were there but taken into those two countries. I will believe that until the day I die. We have no proof - it's true. But, in my gut, I believe that they were in Iraq prior to us moving in - we even found bunkers of chemical weapon suits, etc. We found an empty van that had evidence it had been used as a moving weapons of mass destruction lab (chemical war fare).
Well I didnt think the war in Iraq was wrong at the time and most of America were wanting the Troops to go in,as far as I could see, it was only after it was discovered that there were no Nuclear weapons that the tide turned,big time.It would be be a differant story now.,if a lot of weapons had been found.I did not like the war but I am very glad that Saddam Hussein isnt around any more to kill his own people.. it also seems to me that some people should practise what they preach,....
WOW - great posts everyone! Thanks for responding - I really like this exchange of ideas A LOT!
I agree with hope4thegoodstuff. I grew up in a very democrat oriented area of Pennsylvania (Lower Bucks, Bristol Township) and my mother and her family as well as my father and his family were all democrats. I was the oddball because I ended up be conservative and when I first registered did so as a republican. My f;amily was appalled. They couldn't believe it. Goes to show I always had a mind of my own! LOL!!! Eventually, both my brothers also became Republican (without my influence) and that really bugged them all! ;) Anyway, what I'm saying is we all have ideologies, different morals, different preferences and that makes us the wonderful country that we are! America is diverse and fabulous! I just think somewhere along the way we have forgotten that we are AMERICANS first - and the rest is hogwash! I hope that makes sense - I have the FLU and my mind is jumbling! LOL!!!
In Utah, we also must register for a party in order to vote in the Primaries and that's why I tend to register Republican but my mindset is that of an independent. I often vote for a democrat. For instance, in Utah, Congressman Jim Matheson, is a democrat I could vote for (he's not in my district) - I don't agree with everything about him, but I like the man a lot and believe he does the right things for Utah and for the country. He doesn't have an ego like many of our politicians.
I did not vote for Pres. Clinton, but I like him. I think there were some things he did that I was not happy about (depleting our military and stuff like that), but I believe he truly loved this country. I fel the same way about Pres. Bush, I believe he is a good man who loves this country, but there are many things he did I disagreed with (like the stimulus packages). So far, and I say this with a true heart, I have not found anything I like about Pres. Obama. I can't even say I think he's a nice person. I don't want to offend anyone who likes him and so I'll leave it at that. But, I won't be disrespectful. When Pres. Obama won the election I was saddened (although I didn't truly like John McCain either and wondered how we ended up with those two as our choices - I was actually dumbounded). I really tried to be open-minded toward him when he won and decided to give him some time, but then he had 3 bills passed in the same week he took office that I had issue with and since then I have had issue with just about everything he proposes. I feel as an American I need to stand up and say what I think is wrong - that's what our democracy is and I'm proud of that! I am NOT disrespectful of him - he is my President and I honor the office. I pray for him and his family every day!
Okay, I don't even remember my point anymore - I'm blaming the FLU. LOL!!!
I agree with hope4thegoodstuff. I grew up in a very democrat oriented area of Pennsylvania (Lower Bucks, Bristol Township) and my mother and her family as well as my father and his family were all democrats. I was the oddball because I ended up be conservative and when I first registered did so as a republican. My f;amily was appalled. They couldn't believe it. Goes to show I always had a mind of my own! LOL!!! Eventually, both my brothers also became Republican (without my influence) and that really bugged them all! ;) Anyway, what I'm saying is we all have ideologies, different morals, different preferences and that makes us the wonderful country that we are! America is diverse and fabulous! I just think somewhere along the way we have forgotten that we are AMERICANS first - and the rest is hogwash! I hope that makes sense - I have the FLU and my mind is jumbling! LOL!!!
In Utah, we also must register for a party in order to vote in the Primaries and that's why I tend to register Republican but my mindset is that of an independent. I often vote for a democrat. For instance, in Utah, Congressman Jim Matheson, is a democrat I could vote for (he's not in my district) - I don't agree with everything about him, but I like the man a lot and believe he does the right things for Utah and for the country. He doesn't have an ego like many of our politicians.
I did not vote for Pres. Clinton, but I like him. I think there were some things he did that I was not happy about (depleting our military and stuff like that), but I believe he truly loved this country. I fel the same way about Pres. Bush, I believe he is a good man who loves this country, but there are many things he did I disagreed with (like the stimulus packages). So far, and I say this with a true heart, I have not found anything I like about Pres. Obama. I can't even say I think he's a nice person. I don't want to offend anyone who likes him and so I'll leave it at that. But, I won't be disrespectful. When Pres. Obama won the election I was saddened (although I didn't truly like John McCain either and wondered how we ended up with those two as our choices - I was actually dumbounded). I really tried to be open-minded toward him when he won and decided to give him some time, but then he had 3 bills passed in the same week he took office that I had issue with and since then I have had issue with just about everything he proposes. I feel as an American I need to stand up and say what I think is wrong - that's what our democracy is and I'm proud of that! I am NOT disrespectful of him - he is my President and I honor the office. I pray for him and his family every day!
Okay, I don't even remember my point anymore - I'm blaming the FLU. LOL!!!
Very interesting! You call President Obama "Mr. Obama" yet you call President Bush "W". Doesn't he deserve to be called by his name??
Good morning;
If I may?
I have been on the "Net" since the days of the original DARPA-net and US Navy tech-net (early 1980's); acoustic modems using the telephone's handset, dial up BBS's, 300 Baud transmission rates, monochrome monitors, text only, thermo-fax printers...now, the Wierd Wide Web ,-) with cable modem, 10 mega Baud, full color everything...near instantaneous communication.
The culture online has "always" been different than face-to-face interaction. Photons carry no inflection, no tone, no sense of emphasis...no real idea of the person behind the words.
Keyboard Cowboys, Armchair Adventurers and Troublesome Trolls popped up as soon as did anonymous screen names and the opening of the web to the nontechnical world-at-large.
It is easy to toss off-color or barbed comments when you can not see the effect at the other end of the wires, which is why I try to type as if I have only one finger to match the one brain in my skull. Sometimes using all 10 leads one to send out comments one would not say in person.
I am the founder of a list for folks within my faith community, which has over 300 subscribers. We have had some pretty big blowups over the years. This is lessened however, amongst the folks who have attended our annual campouts. We still disagree, sometimes vehemently, about interpretations and findings, but those who have spoken with each other, shared a meal, hoisted a beer, sung around the campfire...it becomes about ideas, rather than perceptions of personality.
Perhaps, we should all remember that we can only, truly, ascribe motives and feelings, or personality traits (good or bad) to those with whom we have actually met?
be well - Pip
If I may?
I have been on the "Net" since the days of the original DARPA-net and US Navy tech-net (early 1980's); acoustic modems using the telephone's handset, dial up BBS's, 300 Baud transmission rates, monochrome monitors, text only, thermo-fax printers...now, the Wierd Wide Web ,-) with cable modem, 10 mega Baud, full color everything...near instantaneous communication.
The culture online has "always" been different than face-to-face interaction. Photons carry no inflection, no tone, no sense of emphasis...no real idea of the person behind the words.
Keyboard Cowboys, Armchair Adventurers and Troublesome Trolls popped up as soon as did anonymous screen names and the opening of the web to the nontechnical world-at-large.
It is easy to toss off-color or barbed comments when you can not see the effect at the other end of the wires, which is why I try to type as if I have only one finger to match the one brain in my skull. Sometimes using all 10 leads one to send out comments one would not say in person.
I am the founder of a list for folks within my faith community, which has over 300 subscribers. We have had some pretty big blowups over the years. This is lessened however, amongst the folks who have attended our annual campouts. We still disagree, sometimes vehemently, about interpretations and findings, but those who have spoken with each other, shared a meal, hoisted a beer, sung around the campfire...it becomes about ideas, rather than perceptions of personality.
Perhaps, we should all remember that we can only, truly, ascribe motives and feelings, or personality traits (good or bad) to those with whom we have actually met?
be well - Pip
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