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Extreme menopause symptoms

To say I have extreme hot flashes is an understatement.  I've tried hormonal treatment, herbal preparations, yoga, exercise, stress relief, cool blankets, you name it.  They tend to work for about 3-6 weeks and then my body overrides them and back to the hot flushes all day long, 24 hours a day - usually at least 1 an hour, if not more.  Consequently I have not slept through the night for more than 7 years now.
I don't need suggestions that worked for the average person - I need extreme doctoring.  Yet the doctors I've seen have no answers.  I'm willing to be a guinea pig - if I could just sleep through the night.  Sleep deprivation is affecting my work, my outlook on life, my body, my emotions, my relationships.
Does anyone have any help for me?
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Hi Xcinia,

Seven years? Boy, and I thought I was suffering! Last summer was rough, incessant hot flashes, waking up several times a night drenched with sweat, anxiety bordering on paranoia, and if I wasn’t crying like a baby, I was an intolerable grouch, especially with my husband. The funny part is that a lot of times I knew I was being unreasonable, but I just couldn’t help being snappy!

I went on HRT for four months. It did help with those issues, but I couldn’t handle what it was doing to my body. That, combined with fears of breast cancer and other health issues caused by HRT convinced me to quit. Needless to say, the flashes and sweats came back with a vengeance!

Someone suggested that I try Wisdom Menopause Formula, and so far it has worked wonders for me. The night sweats stopped almost immediately, and the hot flashes quickly became weaker and fewer. The best part is that I’m finally resting again.

It’s a liquid – looks like water and tastes kind of weird, but no too bad. I take a tablespoon every morning. Looking at the ingredients, it doesn’t seem to have any of the herbs you usually see in so-called “natural” menopause formulas, no black cohosh, soy, **** quai, etc. I don’t know if it work for you as well as it has for me, but it might be worth a try. I ordered mine from Amazon, but it’s available from several places on the web.

Hope you find relief soon. No one should have to suffer like that!

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Thanks for the suggestion.  I've ordered the Wisdom Menopause Formula.  I've tried just about everything else.
I really appreciate your comment.  Gives me a little bit of hope.
Thanks again.
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That’s great, Xcinia. I’m happy that you decided to give it a try! I noticed a HUGE difference in the first week! Hope it works wonders for you as well!

Please let me know how it goes


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Hi, thought I'd update you as to how the "Wisdom Menopause Formula" is working for me.  The first week I didn't notice any difference.  Now, 2 weeks later I'm having hot flashes about once an hour rather than 2-3 an hour.  I don't know if it's the formula doing this or the natural cycle of my body.
I guess I was hoping for much more than this.  I saw my primary and she's giving me the go ahead to see an OB-GYN.  Looks like I'll have to look into paying out of pocket for bio-identical drugs.
I'm so exhausted at this point, I really don't care about much of anything.
Thanks for the suggestion, though and I'll keep on my life of being a guinea pig.
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Hi Xcinia, I’m so sorry to hear that it hasn’t worked the way you had hoped! After seven years of suffering and having tried everything in the book, INCLUDING hormones, I was really praying that you’d find relief.

It does sound like dropping from 3 flashes an hour down to 1 might offer a glimmer of hope, but as you said, it could just be your body going through cycles.

There is one thing: the package insert says that if you have extremely severe symptoms or if improvement is not seen in 1 week, you could double the dosage to two tablespoons. Did you try this?

The more I read about different women’s experiences with menopause the more baffling it all becomes. Some women seem to have a very easy time of it, while others like you suffer horribly, and what works for some is useless to others. Even the doctors are dumbfounded. It’s all so frustrating!

If you haven’t tried doubling the dosage, I hope you give that a try, and failing that, maybe the bioidenticals can at last bring you some relief. In the meantime, you’ll be in my prayers. Please keep in touch!

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I don't know if this will work, but there was an article posted on the Wellness for Women site (http://www.dailysite.com/info/women-wellness-40) that indicated that acupuncture could reduce the severity of hot flashes. If you want to read it, go to http://www.dailysite.com/info/women-wellness-40 and scroll down to Feb. 12.
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Your symptons are certainly in the rarer extreme stages, and are debilitating, interfering with the ability to enjoy life or to function normally, then certainly some action is needed!  

Hot Flushes mild and/or severe are caused not by the lack of the Estrogen in the body, but by the sudden drop which is a sympton of the off balance many go through due to the Menopausal intervention. What is not understaood is how this happens - with menopause, the amount of estrogen is reduced, this capillary tone is not maintained, the capillaries balloon, and you feel the heat !!.

This can be supplemented by hesperidin  -  which help restore the normal structure, tone, and integrity of blood vessel walls - Oranges and lemons, for example, are good sources of hesperidin.
  Even though a fall in estrogen could be a trigger, it "might not directly cause the symptoms".  Hot flashes are actually also associated with several biochemical changes-including changes in neurotransmitters and in hormones from the pituitary gland, hypothalamus, thyroid, and adrenals - so it may be wise to ask the doctor just to check those areas to eleminate a added feasible cause.

Chronic insomnia is also experienced by 80% of women who suffer with hot flashes, and what I found aided me best was  to in fact have  a HOT bath, with soothing skin oils added in the water just before bed. What would happen was that I ultimatly raised the temperature in my body by expanding the blood capillaries. Then I would slip into bed betwwen cool sheets, meditate on the PULSE echoing in my ears, and slowly gained "control" over the racing bringing it down...By then I would be fast asleep, the heat in my body reduced naturally, having been supercharged at the beginning.
It took a few weeks of practice and mind over matter...and as long as I stayed with the routine - the occurances became fewer and fewer.

You also did not mention if you were a smoker, or agressive Coffee drinker - but in the argument that both applies, you will most certainly need to take that hard step of dismissing both from your daily routine. The drinking of ANY alcolhol, after 4pm is another agressive step you will need to take to aid the slowing of the flushes - any of these may be the hardest way to go against.
You'll have to certainly restrict yourself from many things, of which you will need a strong mind and a positive thinking for managing these changes.

Another lesson I learnt, was to stop eating ANY foods after 5pm. Then just to have a small toast of whole grain bread - which aided in the reduction of symptons - lightly buttered no spreads.
Whole grain breakfast like wheat flakes...with a glass of rich fruit juice, followed by the below Tea all day...(make a Flask)....kept me sane, and an extensive diet rich in estrogenic food (apples, alfalfa, cherries, plums, carrots, fennel, garlic, celery, parsley, broccoli, sweet peppers, spinach, green beans, potatoes - minimal amounts, red/brown rice, whole grain wheat and lots of yams).

** Soy - prepared correctly, otherwise it cannot be optimally handled by the body, and may disrupt reactions. Unless soybeans are fermented or soaked (for a total of 24 hours, with water changes every 8 hours), their nutrients are not really available, they can interfere with nutrients in the body and can cause other disruptions.   So although Soy is suggested by many resources as a number 1 - they fail to advise that the preperation is extremely important to have such effects.  Isolated soy protein, as in soy milk and numerous food products, should be avoided.  It cannot be digested properly, causes allergies and intolerances, and can block uptake of nutrients in the body.

Light clothes....both day and night offered some relief too.

Just try to drink the below Tea, in as much a quantity as you can - it is bitter so may be wise to take with a small dash of honey, until ready for bed.

One of the more agressive herbs to take in a regular Tea is Motherwort leaf, Strawberry Leaf (reduces Night Sweats), and Red Clover Blossom as they have a strong estrogen-like effect in the body - whole herbs can be more physically helpful than parts as they contain all the natural co-factors.

Supplement this with a 200/300g of Primrose Oil and Flax seed Oil twice a day.
Flax Seed is rich in plant ‘estrogens', particularly lignans.  When menopausal women were given either hormone replacement therapy (HRT) or Flaxseed, it was found 6 months later that the Flaxseed relieved hot flashes as well as HRT.
The Primrose and Flax seed Oil are both a good source that helps with many symptons of the hormonial body...and aids greatly in the mood swings, helps reduce the night flushes, and sweats.

Many of the herbs listed are believed to act like female hormones by attaching themselves to the same receptors on human cells, kind of like a key fitting into a lock.  Then they‘re thought to provide a woman‘s body with enough estrogen-like activity to keep menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes at bay.

Vitex (or chaste tree) is rich in flavonoids and has been used over 2 thousand years to regulate hormone imbalances and as a remedy for menopausal symptoms.  Most practitioners consider it as "one of the best herbs for use in the early stages of the menopausal transition."  Some women find it helps hot flashes, night sweats, heart palpitations, vaginal dryness and thinning, libido, mood swings, insomnia, breast tenderness, lack of concentration, and headaches.

There is a also another herb known as Macafem root - that is being hailed as another natural source for combatting the above symptons.  What this particular herb does is to not mimick, but actually stimulates the hormone glands to produce the necessary hormones naturally. Maca, is a cruciferous vegetable from the Andes, and acts on the pituitary gland, which then regulates ovarian and adrenal function.  It appears to amplify the effect of all sex hormones, and may aid decreased sex drive, hot flashes, vaginal dryness, depression, and osteoporosis.

In the end no herb-and certainly no standardized, isolated ‘active ingredient'-is going to fix difficulties that may come with menopause.   Herbs may certainly serve as part of a comprehensive health program, as too does life changing strategies, a strong will, and a case of mind-over- problem!

I will also add that I have never to date taken any of the man made products - purely because I feel I should have the control, and I have as yet never had to visit a Dr, with the exception of my pregancies many years Past gone.
I know that that may not serve best for many here - and it is just a singular action that certainly worked for me.

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Hi Lisa,
Just wanted to give you an update.  I saw a really good OBGYN yesterday.  He explained that my throid immune suppression problem may have caused the death of my ovaries, therefore early menopause problems.  And because of the immune suppression problem that's why those problems have continued for 7 years. He also gave me a bio-identical hormone patch (Vivelle) to try (something I've been begging my primary to try but she said was a waste of time) and strongly recommended the book The Ultra Mind Solution by Mark Hyman - about fixing the body in order to fix the mind and vice versa.
I put the patch on yesterday and it may be a coincidence but I slept for 7 straight hours last night!   The first time I got more than 4 straight hours in almost a year.  There may be light at the end of the tunnel.
I ordered the book from Amazon and will continue to update you if you're interested.
Thanks for your interest and caring,
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Wow... I was just browsing this forum and found this post. I am so glad that you updated the thread and so relieved for you that you found some answers (and someone to listen, too!).

I wanted to add that I love my Vivelle patch. I have used mainly this patch of bioidentical estradiol since my hysterectomy in 2000. When I was using other estrogens and not on the patch, I did not do as well (at all).

You can check my journal on bioidentical hormones if you wish... there are some comments from others as well as a recent update of my own (along with a book recommendation, too).

Best of luck to you!

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HI Xcinia!

So good to hear from you! Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but I have been busy, and just now saw your post.

I’m so happy to hear that you finally found a doctor that is willing to listen and give you the attention you deserve. I know how frustrating it can be to deal with doctors who are arrogant incompetent, or “just don’t seem to get it” – maddening. If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that we have to be assertive and act as our own health advocates.

I’m so glad to hear that the Vivelle patch seems to be working for you. I have heard others sing its praises as well.  It’s been almost two weeks since you made that post, so please do check back in and let us know how it’s going.

As for me, the Wisdom Menopause Formula is still working its magic. I’ve been taking it for over three months now, and couldn’t be happier. I don’t know whether I told you, but I sent some to my sister who is 63, and she has had excellent results as well, though it took a bit longer for it to start working for her.

Thanks again for the update. You’ll be in my prayers!

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Hi I am having extreme hot flashes and night flushes. I have been on the patch for twoand ahalf weeks now. I am still having severe flashes, maybe it will take some time! I have been like this since2005. Please help with any home remedy that can help out! We all should write a book about this! It would encourage the People that is sure to go through this sooner or later! Love Ya'll
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Hello.. Yes you should go to ... ***.********.com ... and order some.. progestrone cream! The reason your having such extreme symptoms during menopause is because when you stop ovulating, your estrogen and progestrone levels in your body goes way out of whack! Your Estrogen dominates the Progestrone.... and the longer you go without fixing that.. the lower your progestrone gets.... and if done nothing about it.. your chances for Osteoperosis, breast cancer, cancer of the uterus, vaginal cancer... and more.. Is MUCH higher! That lack of Progestrone in womens bodies is one of the main causes of these diseases. So I would definately get some of that.
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