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BARON SAMEDI WHAT!
HEY BUDDY WHO ARE YOU ANYWAYS. YOU SOME KIND OF DOCTOR OR SOMETHING. I THINK UR A NOBODY. HCG SHOTS AND STEROIDS ARE NOT HARMFUL UNLESS YOU USE HIGH DOSES. AND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT USING ISNT A VERY HIGH DOSE. 1500IU HCG IS A NORMAL DOSE. THE STUFF WILL NOT MESS YOU UP. ATHLETES AND BODYBUILDERS TAKE THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME AND THERE FINE. WHY DONT YOU DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START TALKIN SH.T B...I...T...C....H....
HELLO MEGAZOID THANKS FOR YOUR OPINIONS. IM THINKING ABOUT TAKING HCG 1500IU EVERY FIVE DAYS FOR 3 WEEKS AND ALSO I WAS GONNA TAKE CLOMID ALONG WITH HCG TO PREVENT AROMATIZATION. AS FAR AS MY THYROID ITS BEEN CHECKED ALOT OF TIMES AND ITS NORMAL. I NEVER HAD AN ADRENALINE TESTS. U THINK MAYBE MY SHBG LEVELS ARE HIGH AND THATS CAUSING LOW FREE TESTOSTERONE. U THINK IT WOULD BE ALRIGHT IF I TOOK CLOMID TO INCREASE TESTOSTERONE. MEGAZOID IS IT SAFE TO TAKE HCG ARE THERE ANY SIDE EFFECTS FROM HCG USAGE. ARE THERE ANY ALLERGIC REACTIONS WHEN TAKING HCG. IF I DO DECIDE TO TAKE HCG SHOTS HOW SHOULD I TAKE THEM.
no problem. If possible give me some background on yourself (general health, medications used, suppliments, height/weight/body fat, etc) and also a list of your present symptoms alongside the blood results. Any additional information you think would be useful for me to have would be great too.
So Mike, that makes TWO people telling you that
1) Taking 1500IU of your backroom steroids is NOT "no big deal"
2) Don't take this stuff
3) It won't make your penis bigger, so knock this **** off and get on with your life.
1) Taking 1500IU of your backroom steroids is NOT "no big deal"
2) Don't take this stuff
3) It won't make your penis bigger, so knock this **** off and get on with your life.
I thought i would add some comments here seen as i am experienced and knowledgable in this field. Please take the time to read over the replies i made in the "Shrinking Penis" thread on medhelp to get a better idea and understanding of the endocrine system. I would like to see your full blood report if possible (including SHBG) so i can figure out why your free t is low and what can be done to increase it.
DHT is what controls/effects penile tissue growth throughout puberty. DHT is also important throughout adult hood for various body tissues (including the penis) but from a genetic stand point penile size is already 'set'. An elevation occurs which 'spurs' growth throughout puberty and results in rapid changes. While some men report a slight increase in size while going on proper HRT treatment (i.e. combined TRT + HCG) it's usually very small and due to increased blood circulation to the penile tissues.
First off using more than 500iu of HCG daily is pointless and will do nothing more than stimulate the liver to create more aromotize enzyme which will result in elevated estridol levels which will go against both testicular function and thyroid function. You will see little to no improvements in your symptoms. High E2 levels will lower free t and raise SHBG which in turn will effect your body composition and thyroid metabolism. Rememnber it's about ratio not numbers. Having a high T level dosen't mean higher libido or increased penis size, it simply dosen't work like that. Thyroid and Adrenal function has to be optimial too and reduced cortisol production from HPTA shutdown will result in a whole new set of problems if you use HCG alone.
Using HCG at 1500iu in single shot's for prolonged periods of time will result in leydig cell desenszation and symptoms of high estridol. Without question this will end up with primary testicular failure and leydig cell desensation to your own LH.
You have a perfect T level of 650, you should have a good libido and no ED and if you still have, then thyroid and adrenal function must investigated. Maybe try lowering your estridol by using something like Zinc/ZMA or 'Dermacrine' which is a new natural AI which has been used for succesful PCT purposes in body building. This will lower estridol, raise free t and increase natural LH output which should result in higher total t while not causing any form of supression to the HPTA.
Using HCG wihtout testicular atrophy is pointless and will do nothing more than cause problems.
DHT is what controls/effects penile tissue growth throughout puberty. DHT is also important throughout adult hood for various body tissues (including the penis) but from a genetic stand point penile size is already 'set'. An elevation occurs which 'spurs' growth throughout puberty and results in rapid changes. While some men report a slight increase in size while going on proper HRT treatment (i.e. combined TRT + HCG) it's usually very small and due to increased blood circulation to the penile tissues.
First off using more than 500iu of HCG daily is pointless and will do nothing more than stimulate the liver to create more aromotize enzyme which will result in elevated estridol levels which will go against both testicular function and thyroid function. You will see little to no improvements in your symptoms. High E2 levels will lower free t and raise SHBG which in turn will effect your body composition and thyroid metabolism. Rememnber it's about ratio not numbers. Having a high T level dosen't mean higher libido or increased penis size, it simply dosen't work like that. Thyroid and Adrenal function has to be optimial too and reduced cortisol production from HPTA shutdown will result in a whole new set of problems if you use HCG alone.
Using HCG at 1500iu in single shot's for prolonged periods of time will result in leydig cell desenszation and symptoms of high estridol. Without question this will end up with primary testicular failure and leydig cell desensation to your own LH.
You have a perfect T level of 650, you should have a good libido and no ED and if you still have, then thyroid and adrenal function must investigated. Maybe try lowering your estridol by using something like Zinc/ZMA or 'Dermacrine' which is a new natural AI which has been used for succesful PCT purposes in body building. This will lower estridol, raise free t and increase natural LH output which should result in higher total t while not causing any form of supression to the HPTA.
Using HCG wihtout testicular atrophy is pointless and will do nothing more than cause problems.
RE: LOOK BARON IM TRYING TO GET MY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UP TO A HEALTHIER HIGHER POINT OK.
I can understand that, I'm in that particular boat, for the record.
RE: IM NOT LOOKING TO ABUSE STEROIDS. MY TESTOSTERONE LEVEL IS 650 AND MY FREE LEVELS ARE LOW. IV BEEN TO THE DOCTORS AND THEY WONT TREAT ME. SO IV DECIDED TO TREAT MYSELF.
Question is, why won't they. Mike, your first few posts talked of increasing the size of your penis with steroids. And your later ones said that taking them for appearance/recreational reasons is no big deal. I approached doctors with a view to bumping them up SLIGHTLY into a normal range, even on the low side of normal. Most of them say if you ain't dyin, no way, the risks of collapsing the endocrine system like a house of cards is too great.
RE: IM ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING MY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UP TO ABOUT 1200 WHICH IS A NORMAL LEVEL FOR A YOUNG GUY LIKE MYSELF.
For what reason? What medical issues are these causing for you?
RE: THERES NOT GONNA BE ALOT OF SIDE EFFECTS FROM SMALL DOSES LIKE IM TALKING ABOUT. AND ALSO YOU THINK UR COOL POSTING MY COMMENTS AND THEN POSTING UR ANSWERS BELOW THEM. UR NOT COOL BARON .
I'm answering your questions, I'm sorry you don't like the answers.
RE: UR ON THIS SITE TRYING TO TELL ME WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG. UR NOT EVEN A DOCTOR OR A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL. LEAVE IT UP TO THE EXPERTS BUDDY.
The doctor on this site advised you not to take anything. But yet you keep asking. Is there some sort of comprehension problem?
RE: IM GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING BARON I WENT ON A WEBSITE AND PAID SOME MONEY TO GET ADVICE FROM A DOCTOR
Oh this should be good. Which website was this?
RE: AND HE SAID THAT 1500IU HCG WAS OK TO TAKE AND THAT I WOULDNT EXPERIENCE ANY PROBLEMS. YOU WANNA DISAGREE WITH A DOCTOR BARON. AND BARON TAKING HORMONES CAN INCREASE PENIS SIZE.
You're past adolescence, it's irrelevant.
I can understand that, I'm in that particular boat, for the record.
RE: IM NOT LOOKING TO ABUSE STEROIDS. MY TESTOSTERONE LEVEL IS 650 AND MY FREE LEVELS ARE LOW. IV BEEN TO THE DOCTORS AND THEY WONT TREAT ME. SO IV DECIDED TO TREAT MYSELF.
Question is, why won't they. Mike, your first few posts talked of increasing the size of your penis with steroids. And your later ones said that taking them for appearance/recreational reasons is no big deal. I approached doctors with a view to bumping them up SLIGHTLY into a normal range, even on the low side of normal. Most of them say if you ain't dyin, no way, the risks of collapsing the endocrine system like a house of cards is too great.
RE: IM ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING MY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UP TO ABOUT 1200 WHICH IS A NORMAL LEVEL FOR A YOUNG GUY LIKE MYSELF.
For what reason? What medical issues are these causing for you?
RE: THERES NOT GONNA BE ALOT OF SIDE EFFECTS FROM SMALL DOSES LIKE IM TALKING ABOUT. AND ALSO YOU THINK UR COOL POSTING MY COMMENTS AND THEN POSTING UR ANSWERS BELOW THEM. UR NOT COOL BARON .
I'm answering your questions, I'm sorry you don't like the answers.
RE: UR ON THIS SITE TRYING TO TELL ME WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG. UR NOT EVEN A DOCTOR OR A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL. LEAVE IT UP TO THE EXPERTS BUDDY.
The doctor on this site advised you not to take anything. But yet you keep asking. Is there some sort of comprehension problem?
RE: IM GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING BARON I WENT ON A WEBSITE AND PAID SOME MONEY TO GET ADVICE FROM A DOCTOR
Oh this should be good. Which website was this?
RE: AND HE SAID THAT 1500IU HCG WAS OK TO TAKE AND THAT I WOULDNT EXPERIENCE ANY PROBLEMS. YOU WANNA DISAGREE WITH A DOCTOR BARON. AND BARON TAKING HORMONES CAN INCREASE PENIS SIZE.
You're past adolescence, it's irrelevant.
LOOK BARON IM TRYING TO GET MY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UP TO A HEALTHIER HIGHER POINT OK. IM NOT LOOKING TO ABUSE STEROIDS. MY TESTOSTERONE LEVEL IS 650 AND MY FREE LEVELS ARE LOW. IV BEEN TO THE DOCTORS AND THEY WONT TREAT ME. SO IV DECIDED TO TREAT MYSELF. IM ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING MY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS UP TO ABOUT 1200 WHICH IS A NORMAL LEVEL FOR A YOUNG GUY LIKE MYSELF. THERES NOT GONNA BE ALOT OF SIDE EFFECTS FROM SMALL DOSES LIKE IM TALKING ABOUT. AND ALSO YOU THINK UR COOL POSTING MY COMMENTS AND THEN POSTING UR ANSWERS BELOW THEM. UR NOT COOL BARON . UR ON THIS SITE TRYING TO TELL ME WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG. UR NOT EVEN A DOCTOR OR A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL. LEAVE IT UP TO THE EXPERTS BUDDY. IM GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING BARON I WENT ON A WEBSITE AND PAID SOME MONEY TO GET ADVICE FROM A DOCTOR AND HE SAID THAT 1500IU HCG WAS OK TO TAKE AND THAT I WOULDNT EXPERIENCE ANY PROBLEMS. YOU WANNA DISAGREE WITH A DOCTOR BARON. AND BARON TAKING HORMONES CAN INCREASE PENIS SIZE.
Correction, Mikelovespizza, I said the doctors I went to said that's what they'd rather have treated me with.
I was not interested in taking either.
I was not interested in taking either.
do your own thing but definitely have a doctors assitence.your blood pressure and cholesterol levels could be a problem plus the endocrine problems.BaronSamedi only wants to help you,as i do.if your penis is under 3 inches hgh,steroids will not help surgery might.but the most important feature of a penis is a foreskin.read these links for better guidance.
http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/bensley1/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0838/is_1999_March/ai_54308894
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/60750.html
http://www.penisdoctor.com/foreskin.html
http://www.norm-uk.org/foreskin_restoration_devices.html
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/3/prweb512999.htm
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/sorrells_2007.pdf
http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/10F/doctor_northrup.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/bensley1/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0838/is_1999_March/ai_54308894
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/60750.html
http://www.penisdoctor.com/foreskin.html
http://www.norm-uk.org/foreskin_restoration_devices.html
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/3/prweb512999.htm
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/sorrells_2007.pdf
http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/10F/doctor_northrup.html
YOUR TELLING ME NOT TO USE STEROIDS BUT YOU TALK ABOUT YOURSELF USING ANTIDEPRESSENTS, AND VIAGRA WHICH ARE ALSO DANGEROUS FOR YOUR HEALTH.
RE: HEY BUDDY WHO ARE YOU ANYWAYS. YOU SOME KIND OF DOCTOR OR SOMETHING.
Attacking someone personally is a sign of a weak mind.
RE: I THINK UR A NOBODY. HCG SHOTS AND STEROIDS ARE NOT HARMFUL UNLESS YOU USE HIGH DOSES.
Wrong. Many endocrinologists are wary of even bumping up testosterone a small amount in borderline cases of low test.
RE: AND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT USING ISNT A VERY HIGH DOSE.
For the record, why exactly are you interested in the recreational use of steroids? Oh right, you think it will increase the size of your penis. So, to answer your questions about who I am, I'm someone with a perfectly adequate penis, it seems.
RE: 1500IU HCG IS A NORMAL DOSE. THE STUFF WILL NOT MESS YOU UP. ATHLETES AND BODYBUILDERS TAKE THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME AND THERE FINE.
You need to look a little further into the whole bodybuilding trip. For the record, bodybuilders are not "fine". You look at them in the muscle comic books in their prime, not after the Enquirer group (the publisher of Muscle and Fiction) are done with them and they walk away from the game with brow ridges, acromegalic features, type II diabetes, joint damage, muscle damage, heart and organ problems, etc.
Some athletes have come forward very publicly with the "down the road" effects of steroids. A lot of old timers who used "low doses" ARE having health problems as a result. The kids who are slamming as much as they can get are burning themselves out REAL fast.
You were advised by a medical doctor here, not me, to take 0IU per day. That's zero. Nada. What you cannot divide by.
RE: WHY DONT YOU DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START TALKIN SH.T B...I...T...C....H....
Dan Duchaine died at 42, didn't he? Superstar Billy Graham can't walk because his joints were ravaged by that stuff. Just a thought.
You're talking about VERY powerful substances, a "little bit" is actually really goddamn significant. The normal levels of testosterone in a human being are not measured in grams but NANOgrams. NANO. That's a REALLY frigging small number.
I'm a big man, Mike. I top the scales at 255lb of muscle and bone, and a lot of doctors I've visited (because I have, and have always had low testosterone, with attendant medical issues) thought I'd wrecked my system with steroids. I've never touched them.
An endocrine system is not something whose levels you mess around with unless absolutely necessary. The doctors I spoke to recognized that I had below normal range testosterone but would have rather treated my condition with antidepressants, viagra, and a cheerier outlook (and tons of caffeine and nootropics to fix the forgetfulness) rather than use small amounts of androgel.
So "hey, can I just slam a bunch of this stuff to make my penis bigger"? Please get a life. Unless you're hung like a AA battery, it's really not an issue for 99.9999% of women, and even then most of them don't care and the ones that do are women you don't want around anyway.
Maybe you should do some research and read the responses here and realise that people are, out of the goodness of their heart and that, trying to talk you OUT of doing something VERY stupid.
Attacking someone personally is a sign of a weak mind.
RE: I THINK UR A NOBODY. HCG SHOTS AND STEROIDS ARE NOT HARMFUL UNLESS YOU USE HIGH DOSES.
Wrong. Many endocrinologists are wary of even bumping up testosterone a small amount in borderline cases of low test.
RE: AND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT USING ISNT A VERY HIGH DOSE.
For the record, why exactly are you interested in the recreational use of steroids? Oh right, you think it will increase the size of your penis. So, to answer your questions about who I am, I'm someone with a perfectly adequate penis, it seems.
RE: 1500IU HCG IS A NORMAL DOSE. THE STUFF WILL NOT MESS YOU UP. ATHLETES AND BODYBUILDERS TAKE THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME AND THERE FINE.
You need to look a little further into the whole bodybuilding trip. For the record, bodybuilders are not "fine". You look at them in the muscle comic books in their prime, not after the Enquirer group (the publisher of Muscle and Fiction) are done with them and they walk away from the game with brow ridges, acromegalic features, type II diabetes, joint damage, muscle damage, heart and organ problems, etc.
Some athletes have come forward very publicly with the "down the road" effects of steroids. A lot of old timers who used "low doses" ARE having health problems as a result. The kids who are slamming as much as they can get are burning themselves out REAL fast.
You were advised by a medical doctor here, not me, to take 0IU per day. That's zero. Nada. What you cannot divide by.
RE: WHY DONT YOU DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START TALKIN SH.T B...I...T...C....H....
Dan Duchaine died at 42, didn't he? Superstar Billy Graham can't walk because his joints were ravaged by that stuff. Just a thought.
You're talking about VERY powerful substances, a "little bit" is actually really goddamn significant. The normal levels of testosterone in a human being are not measured in grams but NANOgrams. NANO. That's a REALLY frigging small number.
I'm a big man, Mike. I top the scales at 255lb of muscle and bone, and a lot of doctors I've visited (because I have, and have always had low testosterone, with attendant medical issues) thought I'd wrecked my system with steroids. I've never touched them.
An endocrine system is not something whose levels you mess around with unless absolutely necessary. The doctors I spoke to recognized that I had below normal range testosterone but would have rather treated my condition with antidepressants, viagra, and a cheerier outlook (and tons of caffeine and nootropics to fix the forgetfulness) rather than use small amounts of androgel.
So "hey, can I just slam a bunch of this stuff to make my penis bigger"? Please get a life. Unless you're hung like a AA battery, it's really not an issue for 99.9999% of women, and even then most of them don't care and the ones that do are women you don't want around anyway.
Maybe you should do some research and read the responses here and realise that people are, out of the goodness of their heart and that, trying to talk you OUT of doing something VERY stupid.
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