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circumcision is barbaric
its wrong if you ask me to circumcise a child... i got done at birth, is it not my right to make the decision myself?????
how can anyone have the right to mess with a persons body without permission...
anyone agree or disagree?
ps does anyone know if you can restore your forskin, or has anyone tried it?
how can anyone have the right to mess with a persons body without permission...
anyone agree or disagree?
ps does anyone know if you can restore your forskin, or has anyone tried it?
SeriousSam? more like "Serious-An-*******"Sam sounds more correct. ur a smart ***, rude, pigheaded, militant person. who or what do u think you are? sam the omnipotent? i have no professional background, im sixteen ******* years old. im no psychological doctor, i have no PHD or MD, i'm not an fluent medical science journal reader, i'm only basing my perspective on my own experiences and what i've read, which i'm sure is exactly what you're doing yourself. i'm not saying i'm correct on any of my statements at all. hell, for all i know i could be completely out of my league with this discussion, but u're making me feel like a total *** for challenging your postion, which is not exactly the most polite thing to do. you seem like an educated, fairly reasonable person, so i'm wondering why you are proverbially ripping my perspective to shreds. i may have gotten snippy with you, but what u just did was like taking a shotgun to my face. i only wish you could have been a little less harsh, and not been so offensive in the way you brushed my opinion aside like a mere nuisance to you. i respect your position, but you've shown none of that in return to mine.
please, don't call NGM a "popularism" type magazine, when i think a person such as yourself with an appreciation of knowledge would enjoy some of information that it contains. not ONCE did i say that religious practices are okay as long as they're my own. if so, i'd like you to show me exactly where i stated those exact words. but my source of information was wikipedia.org, which i admit is known for its proneness to vandalism, so i can't say for sure how accurate the information in it is. if you wish to see for yourself look up the article on circumcision, cuz it basically outlines everything from this thread. but im curious, r u urself a doctor?
please, don't call NGM a "popularism" type magazine, when i think a person such as yourself with an appreciation of knowledge would enjoy some of information that it contains. not ONCE did i say that religious practices are okay as long as they're my own. if so, i'd like you to show me exactly where i stated those exact words. but my source of information was wikipedia.org, which i admit is known for its proneness to vandalism, so i can't say for sure how accurate the information in it is. if you wish to see for yourself look up the article on circumcision, cuz it basically outlines everything from this thread. but im curious, r u urself a doctor?
My husband is Asian and is not circumscised. I like it so much better. He also has more sensation because of the fact he is intact. I think it is barbaric too. If I had a son, I would never have it done.
Regarding female circumcision? Check labiaplasty, the results for circumcision I believe are about the same so far as fatalities.
However any stats regarding female circumcision would be inaccurate because the stats you are quoting;
One do not have a listed source.
Two were performed by non-physicians.
Three are largely illegal in the US.
BTW: On the amnesia? Double check and I think you will find where the children have more active and varied experiences and interactions with adults that their is a correlation between having more intelligent children with earlier ACCESSIBLE memories.
The Memories still exist either in the conscious or subconscious but they still exist.
Might I suggest you concentrate more on the writings in the Lancet, AMA, AMPA, or other reputable scientific journals rather the popularism type magazines?
Hmmm So religious practices are OK so long as they are your own? Just wondering.
BTW What is your work/education background?
However any stats regarding female circumcision would be inaccurate because the stats you are quoting;
One do not have a listed source.
Two were performed by non-physicians.
Three are largely illegal in the US.
BTW: On the amnesia? Double check and I think you will find where the children have more active and varied experiences and interactions with adults that their is a correlation between having more intelligent children with earlier ACCESSIBLE memories.
The Memories still exist either in the conscious or subconscious but they still exist.
Might I suggest you concentrate more on the writings in the Lancet, AMA, AMPA, or other reputable scientific journals rather the popularism type magazines?
Hmmm So religious practices are OK so long as they are your own? Just wondering.
BTW What is your work/education background?
Memory dumping in the context that you are using does not mean that memories are not regulated to the subconcious where they still do damage. And I would be more impressed had you quoted a professional journal.
See the following articles:
"Nightmares in children: Influencing factors"
"Investigative Interviews of Children: A Review of Psychological Research and Implications for Police Practices"
"Self-Reported Amnesia for Abuse in Adults Molested as Children’"
or
" Childhood amnesia in children and adolescents: Their earliest memories"
Investigations of childhood amnesia have almost exclusively focused on the earliest memories of adults. Here we investigate the earliest memories of children of 6–19 years old. Parents confirmed the memory events and dated the memories. There were surprisingly few developmental differences between the earliest memories of children. Although 6–9-year-olds recalled earlier events than did older children, there were no differences between older age groups. Memories from all age groups were similar in structure, social orientation, and the nature of the recalled event. However, memories of older children were more likely to involve negative affect. There were also few gender differences, although girls were more likely to recall traumatic or transitional events while boys were more likely to recall play events. Overall, results deepen the paradox of early memory: 6–9-year-olds have verbally accessible memories from very early childhood that then seem to disappear as they get older.
See the following articles:
"Nightmares in children: Influencing factors"
"Investigative Interviews of Children: A Review of Psychological Research and Implications for Police Practices"
"Self-Reported Amnesia for Abuse in Adults Molested as Children’"
or
" Childhood amnesia in children and adolescents: Their earliest memories"
Investigations of childhood amnesia have almost exclusively focused on the earliest memories of adults. Here we investigate the earliest memories of children of 6–19 years old. Parents confirmed the memory events and dated the memories. There were surprisingly few developmental differences between the earliest memories of children. Although 6–9-year-olds recalled earlier events than did older children, there were no differences between older age groups. Memories from all age groups were similar in structure, social orientation, and the nature of the recalled event. However, memories of older children were more likely to involve negative affect. There were also few gender differences, although girls were more likely to recall traumatic or transitional events while boys were more likely to recall play events. Overall, results deepen the paradox of early memory: 6–9-year-olds have verbally accessible memories from very early childhood that then seem to disappear as they get older.
and ur one to talk Sam? personally, i don't think this topic even deserves such a heated debate. it should be completely up to the people to decide, and that's that. no banning, no laws, no regrets. totally a personal, family decision.
and u really think that snake handling isn't still around? i'm not sure which "thuggee cult" ur pointing to, but i'm sue i would agree w/ u on that instance. Rastafarianism is a ridiculous excuse for the consumption of pot, and thus its not a "real" religion. multiple wives in Islam is still common practice in regions of the Middle East, and the Mormon tradition was stamped out when a government run by conservative Christians with completely different morals decided to put an end to its "nonconformity." female circumcision often leads to death, thus it is deemed something harmful, thus its prohibition. male circumcision rarely results in deaths, with 1 death in every 1,000,000 procedures, often because it was performed by someone not licensed to perform it (stated by wikipedia.org who has an interesting article outlining just about everything stated so far in this discussion). as for all of the above, the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights states the state has "no right to prohibit the free exercise of a religion,” and a clause later states, “unless the religion’s doctrine conflicts with secular law;” hence, no Rastafarianism and no polygamy.
and the brain DOES dump information. i just read it in National Geographic, who i'm SURE does extensive background checks on its information before its publication. if u want to follow it up, look at the November 2007 issue, page 43, in the heading titled "Forgetting." and i quote, "most people have no memory of experiences before the age of three or four, a phenomenon know as 'childhood amnesia,' perhaps because the brain is not fully developed yet." (my original estimate of 7 or so was off, sorry) hence why we can’t remember our early childhoods.
and i apologize to TrialandError for my insolence earlier. her comment was perceived as stating my parents were uneducated and unempathetic in their decision -- which is definitely not the case. i do however, believe that there are a ton of very good arguments for both sides, a lot of conflicting/hazy data that can support and discredit both sides at once out there, and a deadlock for each side’s case. i think this one has to be left up to the people, cuz there is no solution that will appease both sides without upsetting the other.
but i feel people who get this upset over it need to calm down a little, and not get so worked up over it. just get the procedure done, and take it smoothly, not forming angry protests against it and trying to force others into making the same decision as they do, cuz thats unfair to the other side. i think everybody should keep it a personal-family issue, and not make such a public display out it. i just hate it when people are angry over each others' beliefs... it makes me feel uncomfortable, lol
and u really think that snake handling isn't still around? i'm not sure which "thuggee cult" ur pointing to, but i'm sue i would agree w/ u on that instance. Rastafarianism is a ridiculous excuse for the consumption of pot, and thus its not a "real" religion. multiple wives in Islam is still common practice in regions of the Middle East, and the Mormon tradition was stamped out when a government run by conservative Christians with completely different morals decided to put an end to its "nonconformity." female circumcision often leads to death, thus it is deemed something harmful, thus its prohibition. male circumcision rarely results in deaths, with 1 death in every 1,000,000 procedures, often because it was performed by someone not licensed to perform it (stated by wikipedia.org who has an interesting article outlining just about everything stated so far in this discussion). as for all of the above, the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights states the state has "no right to prohibit the free exercise of a religion,” and a clause later states, “unless the religion’s doctrine conflicts with secular law;” hence, no Rastafarianism and no polygamy.
and the brain DOES dump information. i just read it in National Geographic, who i'm SURE does extensive background checks on its information before its publication. if u want to follow it up, look at the November 2007 issue, page 43, in the heading titled "Forgetting." and i quote, "most people have no memory of experiences before the age of three or four, a phenomenon know as 'childhood amnesia,' perhaps because the brain is not fully developed yet." (my original estimate of 7 or so was off, sorry) hence why we can’t remember our early childhoods.
and i apologize to TrialandError for my insolence earlier. her comment was perceived as stating my parents were uneducated and unempathetic in their decision -- which is definitely not the case. i do however, believe that there are a ton of very good arguments for both sides, a lot of conflicting/hazy data that can support and discredit both sides at once out there, and a deadlock for each side’s case. i think this one has to be left up to the people, cuz there is no solution that will appease both sides without upsetting the other.
but i feel people who get this upset over it need to calm down a little, and not get so worked up over it. just get the procedure done, and take it smoothly, not forming angry protests against it and trying to force others into making the same decision as they do, cuz thats unfair to the other side. i think everybody should keep it a personal-family issue, and not make such a public display out it. i just hate it when people are angry over each others' beliefs... it makes me feel uncomfortable, lol
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