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Can doctors please perform a simple check for Munchausen by proxy?

Doctors need to add this very important technique to their medical school textbooks: Check for Munchausen by proxy

Doctors can save lives by performing a simple check.

1. Is the patient a child or an adult child?
2. Are the parents trying to get their child diagnosed with something when the child is perfectly healthy?
3. Is one of the parents a medical professional or works with law enforcement?
4. Is the child or adult child suffering from abuse but the parents seem like they’re doing everything they can for their child?
5. If it’s an adult child, do the parents take the adult child’s money, not let them move out to live on their own, or sabotage their life?

It’s not that difficult to detect Munchausen by proxy.

Good doctors should perform this test for Munchausen by proxy.
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First, regular docs actually don't study mental illness a whole lot, it's not their forte.  You see a psychologist or psychiatrist if you want a diagnosis of a mental disorder.  This isn't to say no regular docs can accurately diagnose mental illness, but again, folks, this isn't what they teach in the main in medical school, it takes additional training to learn just as it does for any other specialty.  Second, exactly how is a doctor supposed to get accurate answers to these questions by proxy?  You're talking about a difficult disorder to find in the first place, but is the parent going to tell you the child is being abused?  Is the child?  Not so simple.  Are they going to tell their doctor about their financial habits?  In the 15 to 20 minutes insurance companies pay for your average exam by a general doc, is this what they're going to focus on?  I'm just wondering here if it would really be this easy to diagnose anything.  Life is harder in reality than this.  Now, it might be great if regular docs were trained in detecting and treating mental illness, but you'd have to add a year to medical school to do it.  Anyone volunteering for that without getting a certificate as a specialist?  
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To provide you with a perfect answer to your questions. I posted this in the mental health section so this is directed at all doctors but especially to psychologists and psychiatrists. The doctor can get accurate answers if he just listens to the victim child or adult child. Parents with Munchausen by proxy can bypass regular doctors and just pick up the phone and lie to the cops to get the victim sent to a mental hospital with no evidence. Nobody believes the victim because they still live with their parents. You said doctors give you 10-15 minutes of their time to a patient, but that's not true either. Some doctors, especially the ones that work at mental hospitals, give you less than 2 minutes of their time and don't believe the victims. The mental disability version of Munchausen by proxy is adult child slavery after 18 years old. You said that the disorder is "difficult to find" but that's false. Either doctors don't know what they're doing with Munchausen by proxy or they are trying to cover up the scariest thing about the medical industry, using it to murder or enslave your child after 18, to protect their licenses. You can tell a doctor about what your parents are doing to you, and they will still only think about "medications" instead of "is this Munchausen by proxy?". Psychiatrists, who should know everything in the DSM by heart, completely ignore the consideration of Munchausen by proxy in practice. Munchausen by proxy is considered a form of child abuse, it is not to be dismissed as merely a "disorder" or a "disorder that's difficult to detect". As a matter of fact, yes, the victim will tell the doctor what they're going through and it will be the focus of the appointment, as the parents constantly threaten the victims with the doctor and mental hospitals by calling the police and lying.

"Life is harder in reality than this."

People die and are subject to a lifetime of captivity and death because doctors don't perform a simple check, Munchausen by proxy doesn't even cross their minds when it is obviously the case, and they don't believe the patient because a doctor diagnosed them at a mental hospital after their parents called the cops and lied.
Hi, I just want to thank you for your posts. You seem to have been through something yourself, and I am currently still going through something similar.  If so, I would love to hear from you (and anyone else with experience dealing with Munchausen by Proxy). You can email me at stop.the.***@**** . I am trapped. I've told multiple doctors what I suspect (I know not suspect, but doctors don't want to hear this) is causing my detioration and why I've been undiagnosable and ill on and off my entire life, and the most I got was "well, testing for that is pretty expensive" to which all I could really say was "Oh... Really?" With a look of utter defeat. Wtf??? I imagine he thinks I have Munchausen Syndrome and that my claiming to be a proxy for someone who truly has Munchausen by proxy, was part of my fabrication for testing and attention. I didn't figure that out til later though. I left with an order for an MRI for my back which is obviously messed up, and the primary reason for my visit and nothing else said about the rest of my problems. I only told him what i thought because I was afraid I was dying. I had lost 35 pounds in about a month and hadn't been able to gain ot back,though I'd been trying for about two years. I am 5"9" and weighed only 102lbs when I went to see him. He seemed caring, more than most doctors anyway. I figured if he didn't believe me, he might put me on a psych hold. I was fine with that. Because if they dig, just a little, I know they will uncover the truth. My family doctor died when I was 11 and my mother wouldn't get me another. She just started taking me to urgent care for everything. She insisted I had asthma. I didn't. I don't. If doctors weren't too afraid to find out the ugly truth in situations like these, maybe I wouldn't still be trapped. Maybe I would be healthy. The evidence was there. Why did they look the other direction? My entire working life (I started working at McDonald's at 14 because I thought if I started asap I could move out as soon as I was of age and get away from the abuse), every time I would start to save money, or even just get recognition at work for being good at things, I would get really sick. Too sick to work. I would work through it as long as i could, but eventually I would either get fired for calling in or I would simply be too sick and would have to quit.When When I did move out, she would always have a key to my house and she'd send me care packages of food, and when I moved out of state, she would drive four hours each way at least once a month. If i didn't answer my phone when she called (and she called anywhere between five to 25+ times a day, the five call days were days I obediently picked the phone up on the dirst ring and conversated properly the first five times AND she was having a busy or good day), I ran the risk she would just show up. When I moved three states away, she flew up at least every few months and the incessant calling increased. She would send "care packages" full of food and goodies. Each time, I ended up being unable to hold a job due to illness. I am didn't figure out what she was doing until my mid thirties. When you live your whole life being abused, you don't reallh know it's happening. You don't know it's abuse anyway. And when eating has made you sick since you were tiny, you don't really put things like that together. You don't think, "Oh, every time I get sick I've recently eaten mom's cooking," especially when you're a child. Then by the time you're an adult your body is so messed up from whatever was in the food (all signs point to heavy metals, which are still used today in the US, in pesticides you by at any grocery) that you're symptomatic all of the time, making it near impossible to nail down what is wrong. All the while, good ol' overly involved but probably just caring Mom, is by my side. Taking me to the ER or urgent care for my myriad of issues from something resembling Strep throat with the white crap in the throat and all, but sins any strep on the culture (or anything else for that matter) to Mono to severe respiratory distress. And if she was causing all this, certainly she wouldn't be forking out all the cash and standing by my side so supportively, right? Wrong!!! That's all part of the illness and of course, not getting caught. It took her nearly killing me and my significant other for me to realize what she had been doing to me my entire life. Anyhow, I really didn't plan on writi g so much, but the other responses were just so painfully naive, or maybe ignorant, I felt compelled to describe how this happens. We want to make a change. This is happening to me which means it is happening to others as well. I believe part of the problem is the idea that some of these people have which is that since Munchausen by Proxy, or as it is now called, Factitious Disorder Opposed on Another, is a solely a mental health issue so other physicians don't know or don't need to know much about it. That is wrong and it needs to change. The name change is a start. "Imposed on Another" is tbe part we need to pay attentuon to. The person who is I'll is NOT going to seek help. What they are doing is CRIMINAL and also incredibly taboo or frowned upon by society. That's why the proxy is the only way they're going to be able to find these people out. It crosses the line into the general practitioners area because these people PHYSICALLY DAMAGE their victims. The way things are currently, these cases don't get found out until someone dies. It almost took that for me and I'm still in danger now. If I live through this I want to make a difference. If she kills me, maybe my case will be the one that changes things. I don't want that. I want to live and I want to found a non-profit to help people in situations like mine. There's no woman's shelter where I live unless you're a victim of domestic violence. I explained that I am a victim of domestic violence, explaining the situation in further detail, and I was interuppted to be told that what I am experiencing is in fact not domestic violence, that domestic violence is when it's a romantic partner. Wrong again. If you read this, thank you. I am grateful. Even if you don't believe it. I think k that's the other issue. People don't want to believe this happens. A mother hurting her child. And in such a way. I'm ready to make people look. I would really like to talk to anyone else who has gone through something similar or who is still. I will keep checking back. For safety reasons I am afraid to leave my information but I have made an email just for this and I'll leave it at the end. Also if you leave your info I will contact you. It's a very isolating thing to go through (not to mention the isolation caused by the abuser intentionally to cut you off from the rest of the world, including the rest of your family).  Alright, concluding has never been my forte. Thanks for reading. Nhazon, I hope we can chat.
Edit: I added my email to the beginning of this too.
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